Why we probably won’t see a trade soon

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Bobhaze said:
Been seeing a lot of threads about us making a trade to get an impact defensive player. Many fans still remember the Charles Haley acquisition back in ‘92 that was a key move in our SB run that year, then think we need to do something like that now. Of course that was before the salary cap was instituted.

Unfortunately, moves like the Haley trade are extremely difficult to make in this post salary cap era. Why?
  • The team trading for a player must have cap room to execute a trade. That wasn’t true in ‘92. Everyone seems to forget that. The cap has made trading much harder.
  • A trade of a higher paid player can be the same as releasing him because it will impact your cap moving forward- if a player is traded at the deadline, all future prorated money owed will accelerate into the next season making the trade less attractive for both teams.
  • Negotiating fair compensation in a trade is extremely difficult. That’s why we rarely see player-for-player trades in the NFL like other sports.
  • Modern trade compensation almost always means future draft picks. and negotiating that can be difficult, especially if the player who's being traded will be a free agent the following year.
I know trading for some impact defender right now sounds like a great idea. But the way the salary cap is used in today’s Cap era NFL makes it extremely difficult to pull off. For that reason, making a trade right now near the deadline is very difficult. Especially for a team like Dallas with a ton of FAs coming up next year.
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I attribute it more to three reasons:
  1. The Cowboys are 5-1
  2. The Cowboys don’t have cap room - this year or next - to add significant salary
  3. Dallas will need all of their draft picks to replace soon to depart free agents next year
 
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stasheroo said:
I attribute it more to three reasons:
  1. The Cowboys are 5-1
  2. The Cowboys don’t have cap room - this year or next - to add significant salary
  3. Dallas will need all of their draft picks to replace soon to depart free agents next year
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Well said. It’s this in a nutshell.
 
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Bobhaze said:
Been seeing a lot of threads about us making a trade to get an impact defensive player. Many fans still remember the Charles Haley acquisition back in ‘92 that was a key move in our SB run that year, then think we need to do something like that now. Of course that was before the salary cap was instituted.

Unfortunately, moves like the Haley trade are extremely difficult to make in this post salary cap era. Why?
  • The team trading for a player must have cap room to execute a trade. That wasn’t true in ‘92. Everyone seems to forget that. The cap has made trading much harder.
  • A trade of a higher paid player can be the same as releasing him because it will impact your cap moving forward- if a player is traded at the deadline, all future prorated money owed will accelerate into the next season making the trade less attractive for both teams.
  • Negotiating fair compensation in a trade is extremely difficult. That’s why we rarely see player-for-player trades in the NFL like other sports.
  • Modern trade compensation almost always means future draft picks. and negotiating that can be difficult, especially if the player who's being traded will be a free agent the following year.
I know trading for some impact defender right now sounds like a great idea. But the way the salary cap is used in today’s Cap era NFL makes it extremely difficult to pull off. For that reason, making a trade right now near the deadline is very difficult. Especially for a team like Dallas with a ton of FAs coming up next year.
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We will not see a trade on defense because of the number of key defensive players coming back from injury.
 
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This team doesn't need to trade for an impact defender because it's going to get one in the next 2-3 weeks.. His name is Demarcus Lawrence and he has consistently been one of the 5 best DEs in the NFL for the last 4-5 years.. when healthy of course.. hell sometimes even when not healthy. It doesn't need to trade for anything on offense because it already has the best offense in the NFL .. Backup QB? I have confidence that if everybody else stays upright McCarthy and Moore can rustle up a game plan that will give us a chance to win with either Rush or Grier at the helm. Sure it would look very different but so what... There is more than one way to win an NFL game.
 
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Bobhaze said:
It’s possible. And it’s also possible our coaching staff have confidence in their own ability to game plan for a guy like Rush to bus drive us to a win or two if needed. I don’t have that confidence, lol, but like you said Rev, we don’t see what the coaches do.
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Didn't McCarthy go like 4-1 in Green Bay with Matt Flynn at QB with less talent on his offense than what this one has? If we need the backup QB to go for a game or two I'm cool with it. If we lose one we lose one.. They don't hand out the trophy till February.
 
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Haley trade was a rare situation. I think that's what you look for, one of those team chemistry issues that works in your favor. Otherwise you're just looking for need, usually from unexpected injuries.

Walsh and Montana were buds with Haley, Haley hated Young and Siefert, and had some personality disorders to make it worse. They got him out of dodge quickly before it ruined the team. They were good enough to lose talent.

If you listen to Haley's story, he felt that Young deliberately tried to undermine Montana. (Garrett to Phillips story) He was pissed and would not accept Young as the team leader, and remember this is Haley, the guy who was crazy enough to get nose-to-nose with Jimmy Johnson.

To Bob's point, Haleys are still out there, but we're getting them through FA more than trades. We had another Haley, and his name was TO. Although it didn't work out for us in the end. We shot for a Haley situation with Greg Hardy but that one didn't work well at all.
 
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VaqueroTD said:
Haley trade was a rare situation. I think that's what you look for, one of those team chemistry issues that works in your favor. Otherwise you're just looking for need, usually from unexpected injuries.

Walsh and Montana were buds with Haley, Haley hated Young and Siefert, and had some personality disorders to make it worse. They got him out of dodge quickly before it ruined the team. They were good enough to lose talent.

If you listen to Haley's story, he felt that Young deliberately tried to undermine Montana. (Garrett to Phillips story) He was pissed and would not accept Young as the team leader, and remember this is Haley, the guy who was crazy enough to get nose-to-nose with Jimmy Johnson.

To Bob's point, Haleys are still out there, but we're getting them through FA more than trades. We had another Haley, and his name was TO. Although it didn't work out for us in the end. We shot for a Haley situation with Greg Hardy but that one didn't work well at all.
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The Haley trade may be a once in team history deal. He was exactly what the team needed to become a Super Bowl contender, and we got him from the best other team in the league at the time, and he ended up helping us to beat them. I heard Haley did some extremely weird stuff in SF, for example, he took a dump on one of the assistant coach's desk. If that's true, it's extremely messed up.

I loved having him on the team, but he was definitely a strange character. The Greg Hardy deal looked at first like it was going to work out well. He played really well against New England, but we couldn't win because we had a ZERO at QB in Brandon Weeden.
 
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Bobhaze said:
Been seeing a lot of threads about us making a trade to get an impact defensive player. Many fans still remember the Charles Haley acquisition back in ‘92 that was a key move in our SB run that year, then think we need to do something like that now. Of course that was before the salary cap was instituted.

Unfortunately, moves like the Haley trade are extremely difficult to make in this post salary cap era. Why?
  • The team trading for a player must have cap room to execute a trade. That wasn’t true in ‘92. Everyone seems to forget that. The cap has made trading much harder.
  • A trade of a higher paid player can be the same as releasing him because it will impact your cap moving forward- if a player is traded at the deadline, all future prorated money owed will accelerate into the next season making the trade less attractive for both teams.
  • Negotiating fair compensation in a trade is extremely difficult. That’s why we rarely see player-for-player trades in the NFL like other sports.
  • Modern trade compensation almost always means future draft picks. and negotiating that can be difficult, especially if the player who's being traded will be a free agent the following year.
I know trading for some impact defender right now sounds like a great idea. But the way the salary cap is used in today’s Cap era NFL makes it extremely difficult to pull off. For that reason, making a trade right now near the deadline is very difficult. Especially for a team like Dallas with a ton of FAs coming up next year.
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Good points!
Gallup for a stud defensive player still would be sweet!
 
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Bobhaze said:
Been seeing a lot of threads about us making a trade to get an impact defensive player. Many fans still remember the Charles Haley acquisition back in ‘92 that was a key move in our SB run that year, then think we need to do something like that now. Of course that was before the salary cap was instituted.

Unfortunately, moves like the Haley trade are extremely difficult to make in this post salary cap era. Why?
  • The team trading for a player must have cap room to execute a trade. That wasn’t true in ‘92. Everyone seems to forget that. The cap has made trading much harder.
  • A trade of a higher paid player can be the same as releasing him because it will impact your cap moving forward- if a player is traded at the deadline, all future prorated money owed will accelerate into the next season making the trade less attractive for both teams.
  • Negotiating fair compensation in a trade is extremely difficult. That’s why we rarely see player-for-player trades in the NFL like other sports.
  • Modern trade compensation almost always means future draft picks. and negotiating that can be difficult, especially if the player who's being traded will be a free agent the following year.
I know trading for some impact defender right now sounds like a great idea. But the way the salary cap is used in today’s Cap era NFL makes it extremely difficult to pull off. For that reason, making a trade right now near the deadline is very difficult. Especially for a team like Dallas with a ton of FAs coming up next year.
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I don’t think it Is this hard at all. Cowboys play the Raiders and come back with a wide receiver. I think we have the money for one player
 
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Bobhaze said:
Been seeing a lot of threads about us making a trade to get an impact defensive player. Many fans still remember the Charles Haley acquisition back in ‘92 that was a key move in our SB run that year, then think we need to do something like that now. Of course that was before the salary cap was instituted.

Unfortunately, moves like the Haley trade are extremely difficult to make in this post salary cap era. Why?
  • The team trading for a player must have cap room to execute a trade. That wasn’t true in ‘92. Everyone seems to forget that. The cap has made trading much harder.
  • A trade of a higher paid player can be the same as releasing him because it will impact your cap moving forward- if a player is traded at the deadline, all future prorated money owed will accelerate into the next season making the trade less attractive for both teams.
  • Negotiating fair compensation in a trade is extremely difficult. That’s why we rarely see player-for-player trades in the NFL like other sports.
  • Modern trade compensation almost always means future draft picks. and negotiating that can be difficult, especially if the player who's being traded will be a free agent the following year.
I know trading for some impact defender right now sounds like a great idea. But the way the salary cap is used in today’s Cap era NFL makes it extremely difficult to pull off. For that reason, making a trade right now near the deadline is very difficult. Especially for a team like Dallas with a ton of FAs coming up next year.
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there’s also the fact that JJ s as bd Steven said we have so many guys to bring back that there might not be time or room.
 
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If it’s not a defensive tackle or a middle linebacker not interested . I think that’s the only reason you won’t see a trade. Availability
 
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Evidently, there will be no trades this year.

We just came off of a bye week. If Dallas wanted to trade, there was the time to do it, during the bye. If they trade for a player now he won't be available for the Viks. But if they would have traded for a player during the bye, he would have been able to play in this game. IIRC, A trade has to happen before the kickoff of week eight. Meaning before Sunday's noon games of week right.

With the injured players we have, set to return this year. Why would we be looking for a catalyst player? When that catalyst player could be one of our very own, returning from injury. Any one of these guys, Hill, Galimore, Law, Armstrong or Joseph, could be that catalyst player some want us to go after.
 
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