News: LBS: Jerry Jones makes concerning admission on radio show

tyke1doe

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That's not the correct question to ask. The question is how many General Managers talk with the coach about waht the plan is. Jerry is the GM of this team, for better or worse or even if it's in title only but he is the GM and I would bet that most if not all GM talk with the coach about the plan before the game. I bet John Elway knew exactly what Denver was going to try and do as a game plan before the game started.
It is a correct question because Jerry Jones is both OWNER and General Manager. Because he wears these dual roles, it is right to ask these questions, which many NFL players-turned-commentators have and do.
They would know because they have an insider's perspective and an acute awareness of the divisions of responsibilities.

Second, you bet? Do you have any particular evidence that coaches share their game plans with general managers?

Third, let's assume Denver's coaches shared the game plan with John Elway. Elway is a Hall of Fame quarterback who knows game plans. Jerry Jones had his heyday in college and that many moons ago. What is he going to suggest, or what authority does he have to comment on plays other than he's the OWNER, which is the reason he's the general manager?:huh:

Be that as it may, the structure JJ has created around the Cowboys INVITES these type of questions, and rightly so. Comes with the territory.
 

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I might be the same way but if I had made enough money to buy a franchise, I kinda doubt it.

Do you think Elway or Newsome had to see the game plans? Or did they put their trust in the men they hired to run their team? And they actually know how to read a game plan.

Conner, comparing us to them isn't close because I have already told all y'all that if I owned it, free beer and a cheerleader in every lap for the Zoners and that ain't like any other owner. The ladies can share Rowdy and then execute him.

I think we can look at the WFT as an example of why fans do not make good owners.
No clue what Elway and Newsome do or if Snyder is that involved
I was speaking for me
I’d be involved in everything
With special attention to the cheerleaders lol
 

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One of the big reasons why we haven't been to a championship game in 25 years. There’s nothing good about this. I truly believe Jerry wants to win more than anything, but he just doesn’t get it. He’s such a distraction.
How does "going over the game plan" equal an *** whipping. Unless you are suggesting MM deliberately sabotaged it...just to show HIM by god who coaches this team.
 

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if i was owner i would do the same thing and wouldnt give two rat behinds what anyone thought about it.
 

SteveTheCowboy

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No clue what Elway and Newsome do or if Snyder is that involved
I was speaking for me
I’d be involved in everything
With special attention to the cheerleaders lol
Proprietary owners of companies are GENERALLY very involved. Have many hats and titles...

If it's just investments..sure..some owners just sit in the grand press box, enjoying the fruits. . Jerry never been that never pretended to be.

Not saying Jerry should order up a handoff to zeke in the 3rd period.

But acting all weirded out by going over the game plans...is weirded out.
 

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"I went over it........"
You didn't call ****
It's very easy to prove. The posts from this forum go back ten or more years.

I first called it after the opening game of the 2010 season in which the Cowboys, minus three starters on the offensive line, took the ball down to the Washington 35 on their opening drive. From there, Dez Bryant entered the game.

Dez was the Cowboys 1st round pick, as you all know. He had dropped in the draft due to some off field issues, again, as you all know.

What some may have forgotten is that he was injured during training camp and didn't play in a single preseason game. And yet, here he was, coming in on the Cowboys opening drive in their first regular season game.

The next play was a quick pass to the sideline for Dez, who was covered by Pro Bowl CB DeAngelo Hall. Dez muscled for 2 yards.

Okay, I figured, that was unnecessary for such an important drive. I always figured the first drive of the first game would be designed to set a tone and the Cowboys had pushed through to the 35 yard line with a couple of strong runs by Barber and a few quick passes to guys that Romo was familiar with, Austin and Martellus.

The next play shocked me. The Cowboys repeated the same exact play, a quick sideline pass to Dez at the line of scrimmage. Of course Hall was right there to stuff it, a 2 yard loss. With 3rd and 11 the Cowboys had no choice but to pass and with 3 O-line backups, The Washington G-line forced Romo to hurry and it was incomplete.

Why was Dez in that game at that particular point in time? No practice, no training camp, no preseason games. I could understand a few attempts late in the 2nd quarter but the 1st drive in the 1st game? What sane coach would do that? There could be only one reason, he was instructed to do so.

Jerry Jones, under pressure from fans and media, was eager to showcase Bryant and demonstrate why he was worth the risk. Previously he had decided not to select Randy Moss due to the off-field incidents of prior players, particularly Michael Irvin. Jerry felt like he had succumbed to the critics and missed out on a Hall of Fame receiver, something the Cowboys desperately needed.

Those two plays made no sense from a strategical point of view. Bryant was obviously unprepared to play a role in that game but was featured in the very first drive.

Most of us know how that game ended up. Romo threw an INT with an entirely unnecessary throw with seconds to end the 1st half. The recipient was Hall, of course, who returned it for a touchdown. During the final seconds of the game, the Cowboys winning TD was ruled invalid due to a penalty by one of the O-line subs. The Cowboys would end up 1-7 in their first 8 games, Wade Phillips would be fired.

I remember the expression on Jerry's face after the Packer beatdown in game #8, complete confusion, he actually stuttered and promised to find out what went wrong. I knew what went wrong. Jones had been playing coach.

More proof?

The Cowboys did not have a defensive coordinator. Why? Because Jerry figured that Wade would be able to handle the job. Now, why would he figure that?

Additionally, Jason Garrett did not report to Wade Phillips. They never collaborated, except during practices. Garret was instructed to report directly to Jerry Jones.

So, what do you call the person that both the OC and OD report directly to? Jerry Jones was making gameplan decisions for the Cowboys in 2010.

You can find this subject matter on several of my posts, the latest one as early as last week, before this subject came out. Perhaps a fellow poster can even confirm this.

Now, the point of your post wasn't whether you agreed with me. That's a different subject. Your point was that you didn't believe me and I'm being diplomatic.

Obviously, nobody is perfect and I have made mistakes but they were honest ones. I don't need to lie because I'm not on this board to impress anyone. I just want to discuss my favorite football team and learn some of the perspectives of fellow posters. Therefore, can we do away with the insults, which it was obviously intended to be? They don't add anything of value to the conversation.
 

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I think if you are honest with yourself and have been a fan of this team for a long time, at least as long as Jerry has been here, it should be no shock at all.
 

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"Going over a game plan" with your coach and "creating a game plan" for your coach are two different things. If he had said he helped create the game plan then that would be alarming. Jerry loves football and his team just as much, if not more, than we do. If I was him I would do the same thing. So I don't see this as a problem.
Going over the game plan with the coach is not the GM's job. If the coach is failing the GM's job is to replace him. His job is not to help coach the team. Jerry can do what he wants because he is the owner, but that's part of the problem with the cowboys. The cowboys are Jerrys toy.
 

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Going over the game plan with the coach is not the GM's job.

Who says, you? If there's a written rule in the NFL Rule Book that states "It is not the Owner/GMs job to go over a game-plan with their coach" then please, show me and I'll change my stance.

His job is not to help coach the team.

Where did it say he's helping coach the team? He's hands on and he's always been that way and he will always be that way long as he's alive. He was like that during the early 90's.
 

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Who says, you? If there's a written rule in the NFL Rule Book that states "It is not the Owner/GMs job to go over a game-plan with their coach" then please, show me and I'll change my stance.



Where did it say he's helping coach the team? He's hands on and he's always been that way and he will always be that way long as he's alive. He was like that during the early 90's.
That's like asking for a law that states when it rains it's wet.

Common knowledge.
 

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This outrage is awesome!

Please continue.

I need some music to go to sleep to and this is a relaxing number.
 

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Who says, you? If there's a written rule in the NFL Rule Book that states "It is not the Owner/GMs job to go over a game-plan with their coach" then please, show me and I'll change my stance.



Where did it say he's helping coach the team? He's hands on and he's always been that way and he will always be that way long as he's alive. He was like that during the early 90's.
I must have hit a nerve. He said he goes over the game plan. Look up the duties of an NFL GM. It's not that involved with coaching. A Gm hires and fires a coach not going over game plans. Jerry can do it though because he owns the team, but it's not good for the team. Jimmy Johnson didn't alow Jerry to be involved in the coaching game plan. Jimmy was in charge of football operations.
 

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Jerrry knows the team is special so he's setting the stage to take the credit.
 
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