4th Down Fears? - Going for it, Missouri style

"Oh, my sweet summer child. What do you know about fear? Fear is for the winter, my little lord, when the snows fall a hundred feet deep. Fear is for the long night, when the sun hides its face for years at a time, and little children are born and live and die all in darkness." - Old Nan to Bran, Game of Thrones

Old Nan could have added: "Starks face dragons and white walkers. Starks don't fear fourth downs."

Or as another wise one from GOT said in time of crisis: "Kill the boy, and let the man be born." Shirking risk is not an option for those of greatness!

Hey folks, Halloween was three weeks ago. Get over the spooks, the superstition and the silliness. Man up! And while at it, perhaps learn some of the math and logic that our education system failed to teach you in school.

In an NFL game you typically get at least 8 possessions, you might get as many as 13. The other team will usually get about the same possession count, occasionally +/- 1. Twenty play drives and tons of running will never alter this reality once inch.

We got a hella offense. KC gotta hella offense. You go out to stack points from the opening kick off through 59:59.

Field position rarely means a whole lot and won't mean squat on Sunday. Maximizing points on every position will mean everything. Fourth down is a great down to keep your talent on the field and marching forward. Stack points on each possession. Trust me, Andy Reid will be aiming to do the same. He ain't afraid of 4th down!

Punting is for losers! Go Cowboys!

IMO i dont think MM and Bones will be as overly aggressive with 4th down calls and fakes etc the bigger the games and the bigger the moments they will reel it in a bit..its natural..not that they wont do it at all and this game may not be that game but the playoffs im assuming wont be as crazy with the play calls unless its necessary..

if you really watched those early calls its against lessor opponents and early in games..gives the teams down the road something to worry about but doesn't mean he will call it..they use it as practice for much larger moments,

blueblood70 said:

IMO i dont think MM and Bones will be as overly aggressive with 4th down calls and fakes etc the bigger the games and the bigger the moments they will reel it in a bit..its natural..not that they wont do it at all and this game may not be that game but the playoffs im assuming wont be as crazy with the play calls unless its necessary..

if you really watched those early calls its against lessor opponents and early in games..gives the teams down the road something to worry about but doesn't mean he will call it..they use it as practice for much larger moments,

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I hear you, but I have yet to see him reel it in. I don't think it's going to happen. Didn't do it in the Pats game, the Tampa game, don't see why he would suddenly change for the Chiefs. He's going to go full throttle, every 4th down, and score as much as possible. The ONLY thing that might hold him back is Coop's absence if that slows down our passing game.

Good stuff here, folks! Suffice it to say, different situations call for proper adjustments. With such an experienced staff to make them, with this team, I'm trusting them to do whatever's best. Whatever comes of this upcoming contest, here's hoping we'll all enjoy it, come rain or come shine. Go, Cowboys!

T-RO said:

"Oh, my sweet summer child. What do you know about fear? Fear is for the winter, my little lord, when the snows fall a hundred feet deep. Fear is for the long night, when the sun hides its face for years at a time, and little children are born and live and die all in darkness." - Old Nan to Bran, Game of Thrones

Old Nan could have added: "Starks face dragons and white walkers. Starks don't fear fourth downs."

Or as another wise one from GOT said in time of crisis: "Kill the boy, and let the man be born." Shirking risk is not an option for those of greatness!

Hey folks, Halloween was three weeks ago. Get over the spooks, the superstition and the silliness. Man up! And while at it, perhaps learn some of the math and logic that our education system failed to teach you in school.

In an NFL game you typically get at least 8 possessions, you might get as many as 13. The other team will usually get about the same possession count, occasionally +/- 1. Twenty play drives and tons of running will never alter this reality once inch.

We got a hella offense. KC gotta hella offense. You go out to stack points from the opening kick off through 59:59.

Field position rarely means a whole lot and won't mean squat on Sunday. Maximizing points on every position will mean everything. Fourth down is a great down to keep your talent on the field and marching forward. Stack points on each possession. Trust me, Andy Reid will be aiming to do the same. He ain't afraid of 4th down!

Punting is for losers! Go Cowboys!

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I like the use of analytics in the decision making but the playcalling has to improve. This OL isn't pushing anybody back so either revise the blocking scheme or try a different play. Failing on 4th down is a real momentum killer and those dives ain't working

T-RO said:

"Oh, my sweet summer child. What do you know about fear? Fear is for the winter, my little lord, when the snows fall a hundred feet deep. Fear is for the long night, when the sun hides its face for years at a time, and little children are born and live and die all in darkness." - Old Nan to Bran, Game of Thrones

Old Nan could have added: "Starks face dragons and white walkers. Starks don't fear fourth downs."

Or as another wise one from GOT said in time of crisis: "Kill the boy, and let the man be born." Shirking risk is not an option for those of greatness!

Hey folks, Halloween was three weeks ago. Get over the spooks, the superstition and the silliness. Man up! And while at it, perhaps learn some of the math and logic that our education system failed to teach you in school.

In an NFL game you typically get at least 8 possessions, you might get as many as 13. The other team will usually get about the same possession count, occasionally +/- 1. Twenty play drives and tons of running will never alter this reality once inch.

We got a hella offense. KC gotta hella offense. You go out to stack points from the opening kick off through 59:59.

Field position rarely means a whole lot and won't mean squat on Sunday. Maximizing points on every position will mean everything. Fourth down is a great down to keep your talent on the field and marching forward. Stack points on each possession. Trust me, Andy Reid will be aiming to do the same. He ain't afraid of 4th down!

Punting is for losers! Go Cowboys!

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From NorCal?

There's no absolute. Sometimes via punting you can pin your opponent inside his own 5 yard line. Then if your defense can force a mistake, your opponent will be in a world of hurt. Or they might play so conservative with running plays that they just end up punting it back to you.

T-RO said:

"Oh, my sweet summer child. What do you know about fear? Fear is for the winter, my little lord, when the snows fall a hundred feet deep. Fear is for the long night, when the sun hides its face for years at a time, and little children are born and live and die all in darkness." - Old Nan to Bran, Game of Thrones

Old Nan could have added: "Starks face dragons and white walkers. Starks don't fear fourth downs."

Or as another wise one from GOT said in time of crisis: "Kill the boy, and let the man be born." Shirking risk is not an option for those of greatness!

Hey folks, Halloween was three weeks ago. Get over the spooks, the superstition and the silliness. Man up! And while at it, perhaps learn some of the math and logic that our education system failed to teach you in school.

In an NFL game you typically get at least 8 possessions, you might get as many as 13. The other team will usually get about the same possession count, occasionally +/- 1. Twenty play drives and tons of running will never alter this reality once inch.

We got a hella offense. KC gotta hella offense. You go out to stack points from the opening kick off through 59:59.

Field position rarely means a whole lot and won't mean squat on Sunday. Maximizing points on every position will mean everything. Fourth down is a great down to keep your talent on the field and marching forward. Stack points on each possession. Trust me, Andy Reid will be aiming to do the same. He ain't afraid of 4th down!

Punting is for losers! Go Cowboys!

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Cowboys win, 9-3. Greg The Leg goes 3 of 4.

P.S. Whenever I hear or read ‘Trust me…’, I auto-don’t. Don’t know if he still does, but Bayless used to say that 12 times per show. Made me want to throw something at the television.

VaqueroTD said:

I hear you, but I have yet to see him reel it in. I don't think it's going to happen. Didn't do it in the Pats game, the Tampa game, don't see why he would suddenly change for the Chiefs. He's going to go full throttle, every 4th down, and score as much as possible. The ONLY thing that might hold him back is Coop's absence if that slows down our passing game.

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adjust not change, its situational football thing, doubt we do much high risk stuff in playoff game but pick your spots really.

I believe Greg Z will be a key in this game if it is close and predicted. MM will take points when he can.

Greg Z must make ALL his FGs count when called on provided they are in a reasonable distance and being outdoors in KC. Can't have any shanks...

I predict the game will come down to him making a kick to put the Boys ahead late for the win!!!

OldskoolCowboy said:

I believe Greg Z will be a key in this game if it is close and predicted. MM will take points when he can.

Greg Z must make ALL his FGs count when called on provided they are in a reasonable distance and being outdoors in KC. Can't have any shanks...

I predict the game will come down to him making a kick to put the Boys ahead late for the win!!!

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well ok need perfect kicker

not one bad pass, fumble, INT, missed block , penalty, blown coverage, or any other mistake by any player/coach or else..

or else a fan might choose one player to point out vs a team that never plays perfectly. while kicker is supposed to be perfect while all other player make mistakes every game..he didn't lose the Tampa game there were a chit ton of other mistakes that cost us that game yet a fan will always go find one player to try and hang it on..

McCarthy's got brass ones.

Protected by several layers of fat but they're there.

blueblood70 said:

IMO i dont think MM and Bones will be as overly aggressive with 4th down calls and fakes etc the bigger the games and the bigger the moments they will reel it in a bit..

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For his many limitations Mike knows a bit about analytics. He goes for it on 4th down because the math tells him it's often the smart thing to do. If a game is "bigger" that doesn't change the math. When facing a high octane offense it's all the more important to not surrender your possessions without points.

Reverend Conehead said:

Sometimes via punting you can pin your opponent inside his own 5 yard line.

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Do you think Kansas City finds a 95 yard drive much different than a 60 yard drive?

blueblood70 said:

IMO i dont think MM and Bones will be as overly aggressive with 4th down calls and fakes etc the bigger the games and the bigger the moments they will reel it in a bit..its natural..not that they wont do it at all and this game may not be that game but the playoffs im assuming wont be as crazy with the play calls unless its necessary..

if you really watched those early calls its against lessor opponents and early in games..gives the teams down the road something to worry about but doesn't mean he will call it..they use it as practice for much larger moments,

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I’ll take this bet. You are in for a rude awakening

Reverend Conehead said:

There's no absolute. Sometimes via punting you can pin your opponent inside his own 5 yard line. Then if your defense can force a mistake, your opponent will be in a world of hurt. Or they might play so conservative with running plays that they just end up punting it back to you.

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Then again one could just clap and play conservative and boring for 10 years till you get fired like a certain ex-HC we all know.

Rather than playing not to lose, like (ahem) another former HC did, Big Mike plays to win -- of that, we can be sure!

Here's hoping that those refs in KC are willing to make this contest one that rewards fair play and not preferential calls!
This game is much too huge, for both teams, for anything else to be happening, in tomorrow's game! Let's hope it's so!

T-RO said:

For his many limitations Mike knows a bit about analytics. He goes for it on 4th down because the math tells him it's often the smart thing to do. If a game is "bigger" that doesn't change the math. When facing a high octane offense it's all the more important to not surrender your possessions without points.

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It will and it does when you our on our side of the 50, you got it...thats the risks im talking about!

no analytics tells coach to go for it on 4th down and 4 on our 40 if its tight playoff game..you punt ummkkk..analytics used with common sense ok..instincts used with coming sense you get into one and done playoffs matchup you actually take less risks until the games on the line and you become bit desperate.
.theres common ground between old football instincts and new age analytics when its a not team you should beat in the regulars season and team that can easily take advantage of mistakes and make you pay, you use common sense old football instincts with some analytics..

ive seen teams in the RS go for 4th and goal down by three to win game vs go into the OT and a fg ties it chip shot under 30 yards, you trying to tell me in playoff matchup you go for the td vs the tie down 3 in side the 5 4th and goal under a minute to play because book told you to or tie it and go to ot.. you rather win or lose on one play then take the easy points and get shot in OT

ill bet you 100$ 99% of he coaches kick the FG in the payoffs where as RS game more then half go for the win.....te payoffs are NEW SEASDON and your strategy changes when its one and done..

JBS said:

I’ll take this bet. You are in for a rude awakening

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not in the playoffs not for a big RS game where you have to win to get in..nope.



no analytics tells coach to go for it on 4th down and 4 on our 40 if its tight playoff game..you punt ummkkk..analytics used with common sense ok..instincts used with coming sense you get into one and done playoffs matchup you actually take less risks until the games on the line and you become bit desperate.
.theres common ground between old football instincts and new age analytics when its a not team you should beat in the regulars season and team that can easily take advantage of mistakes and make you pay, you use common sense old football instincts with some analytics..

its who you are playing and when you are playing them..when its not the regulars season weak teams , coaches make different decisions..