***Mega Merge Dak is not a elite QB thread***

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McKDaddy said:
Its true that any QB can be rendered ineffective when things fall apart around them but we also see the elite ones get it done working with less than optimal situations. In year 6, how many times can you truly say that Dak has elevated his team against a quality opponent when his supporting cast wasn't great? How many times have we gotten trounced?
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Why would anyone answer this? No matter how factually/statistically backed, calculated, or proven the answer would be. You or people like you will denounce it and continue with your "Dak sucks"/"Dak's average" rhetoric.
 
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bewp7 said:
sorry this is not just a reaction to this game i have said it from a long time ago and i think my reason is correct so please respond to my reason and not just the title.

i believe a franchise qb have to be able to elevate the play of every one around him and dak does not do that at all. he is 100% relyant on every thing around him being perfect and all of the odd stacked in his favor.

here is the newsflash and scary thing. it will not get any better. it will get worse and harder now that dak will eat a huge chunk of cap. dak will have to be the one to do the heavy lifting and he have shown ZERO ability to do that.

that is my point and worry with dak....am i wrong? a franchise qb HAVE to be able to elevate every one around him and dak is the opposite.
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Yes he is and for the Dallas Cowboys get use to it not gonna change anytime soon
 
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bewp7 said:
sorry this is not just a reaction to this game i have said it from a long time ago and i think my reason is correct so please respond to my reason and not just the title.

i believe a franchise qb have to be able to elevate the play of every one around him and dak does not do that at all. he is 100% relyant on every thing around him being perfect and all of the odd stacked in his favor.

here is the newsflash and scary thing. it will not get any better. it will get worse and harder now that dak will eat a huge chunk of cap. dak will have to be the one to do the heavy lifting and he have shown ZERO ability to do that.

that is my point and worry with dak....am i wrong? a franchise qb HAVE to be able to elevate every one around him and dak is the opposite.
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Man settle down
 
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Dak Prescott isn't the problem with the Cowboys. Jerry Jones and Stephen aren't quality front office people. They're the #1 problem with this organization and its limited type of management. Their abilities to function with the required expertise doesn't meet a desire to contend. They're just pretenders, imho.
 
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Romo ran the offense and had fulll control over it even before 2014. Even if what you are saying without any proof is true, winning in the playoffs has more to do with HC controlling the whole team than just the offense. Anyone who played a team sport beyond junior high level knows this. Your assumption JG not having control over the offense is the reason he should not be responsible for the Cowboys' poor showing in the playoffs s ridiculous.
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No, that’s absolutely wrong. Romo wasn’t even involved in game planning meetings until he was able to force it via the contract, thus the “Peyton-like” responsibilities Jerry made in the off-season.

That’s the very reason power started to be taken away from Garrett.

2014 was the first actual season Romo had power stripped from Garrett, and he was literally MVP.

I didn’t say Garrett didn’t have any responsibility, I’m saying Dak-stans are trying to leverage the actual real legitimate reasons why Romo’s career was wasted for their own average QB, that never existed.

The very fact this offense was adjusted for Dak’s skill set and teams didn’t figure it out until 2017, when they started doubling Beasley and dropping defenders in his routes, is proof enough this wasn’t Garrett’s offense. Other factors included play-action usage and the complete elimination of the traditional 5-7 drop back that Dak can’t do.
 
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Uh the offense as a whole struggled, you Dak haters are hilarious. The offensive line got whooped, the WRs dropped balls, looked lost on some routes and yes the QB struggled at times. Our offensive coordinator didn't do us any favors either by abandoning the run game.
 
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Seeing opinions like these paired with the spelling relyant... it just makes too much sense.

You know what, you go right ahead young man. Proud of you.
 
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Where is the facepalm when you need it? Some of you are so damn negative that 1 (one) bad game makes you think the sky is falling. This happens to all QBs on occassion. How many times are we said Brady is done after a bad game only to have the mofo win another SB? Grab Rodgers' game log and you'll see 1-3 stinkers each season (34.3 QBR in a random season game from 2014). Manning? Yep. Elway? Yep. Brees? Yep. Oh, is Hubert a Franchise QB? What a stretch he endured a couple weeks back. Aikman? Yep. 25.3 QBR in a game in 1996. 51.2 in a game in 1995 against the Eagles.
 
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Regardless of what some people on the internet think, he very much is a franchise QB. To suggest otherwise is silly.
 
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bewp7 said:
sorry this is not just a reaction to this game i have said it from a long time ago and i think my reason is correct so please respond to my reason and not just the title.

i believe a franchise qb have to be able to elevate the play of every one around him and dak does not do that at all. he is 100% relyant on every thing around him being perfect and all of the odd stacked in his favor.

here is the newsflash and scary thing. it will not get any better. it will get worse and harder now that dak will eat a huge chunk of cap. dak will have to be the one to do the heavy lifting and he have shown ZERO ability to do that.

that is my point and worry with dak....am i wrong? a franchise qb HAVE to be able to elevate every one around him and dak is the opposite.
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The better way to explain is he's better against Zone coverage than he is against man coverage, especially when none of the Wr's are open.
That's why we traded a first round pick for Amari Cooper...he gets open in 1.4 seconds off the line.

You wanna play man defense and bring pressure? You dish out slants, quick outs and run the ball down their throat and you have to hit some big plays down the field.
We had a bad game plan on the road with Cooper out against Spagnoulo

The KC defense is not that good.
 
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He's a franchise QB. He is not a big game QB and there is a difference. Those guys are rare. I've been preaching for years that you win with Dak by building a dominant defensive unit. He can do what Trent Dilfer and Joe Flacco did.
 
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Streetwise said:
Regardless of what some people on the internet think, he very much is a franchise QB. To suggest otherwise is silly.
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Everyone is simply going to ignore the fact that Mahomes didnt score a TD either yesterday? lol
 
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Laurent Robinson and Patrick crayon and miles Austin have Tony romo to thank for their million dollar deals. He definitely was a king maker. He made plays outta nothing routinely
 
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bewp7 said:
sorry this is not just a reaction to this game i have said it from a long time ago and i think my reason is correct so please respond to my reason and not just the title.

i believe a franchise qb have to be able to elevate the play of every one around him and dak does not do that at all. he is 100% relyant on every thing around him being perfect and all of the odd stacked in his favor.

here is the newsflash and scary thing. it will not get any better. it will get worse and harder now that dak will eat a huge chunk of cap. dak will have to be the one to do the heavy lifting and he have shown ZERO ability to do that.

that is my point and worry with dak....am i wrong? a franchise qb HAVE to be able to elevate every one around him and dak is the opposite.
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And how do we know that guys like Gallup, etc. haven't been elevated above what they would have been with another quarterback?

See, that's the issue with saying Dak "can't" elevate other players, somebody like Schultz may have been a mediocre tight end without Dak. The term "franchise quarterback" isn't really definable, especially with using another nebulous term like "he elevates the people around him".

I have no issue with your opinion, if you don't view Dak as well as some, no problem, we all see things through our own filters and our own interpretations. I just don't like putting players in a box like "franchise quarterbacks" or "fumblers" or such, football and players are more complex than that...
 
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