Watching other teams run block today was depressing

quickccc said:

- The Packers also had the benefit of getting out ahead and staying out front with a lead, so that makes it more convenient to try at the run game instead of being in a position where
they are chasing points from behind. They are not in a position where they have to abandon the run.

- What i think what happens with Kellen is if he has the lead or the game score is scoreless at the start, he will go to the run game. If the run game is getting stalled, and Dak is off his game, then
Kellen feels more pressed to get Dak untracked while occasionally run the ball. Problem is .. we rarely are getting splash runs, we are not getting enuff of the 5-6 yards before 3rd down,
and Kellen goes to the pass game to get untracked.

- Now the question I’d have is: why is that we are Not getting the 5-6 yard runs, ..and where are the big splash runs ? ..the 20+ yrd runs ?
Unlike the current Zeke of 2021, Pollard has that 20+ yrd in-line burst to get those type runs, he’s really my measuring gauge, not Elliott. (and this is before he hurt his knee)
- But if Pollard himself is having issues getting untracked and he’s getting stuff at line, or hit for losses in backfield on a frequent basis, that would lead me to
think the road grounders are not doing it upfront, and there’s some issues with the blocking scheme (per Philibin)

- In terms of how much/how many carries the RBs are getting in the run game – that goes to Kellen Moore.
In terms of how we are “designing’ the run-blocking scheme within the OL vs D-fronts, I believe that goes to OL coach Joe Philibin.

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RonnieT24 said:

Man it made sad as I watched multiple teams open up gaping holes for their backs down after down. It also made me realize that our line is nowhere near as good as its reputation. Well let me qualify that.. Our line cannot execute Kellen Moore's run plays as good as its reputation. What I notice about other teams is that they tend to double team at the point of attack. The Packers did it to Aaron Donald a dozen times when they needed to run the ball. Same with the Bucs when they were closing out the game against the Colts.. And the Broncos against the Chargers.. Admittedly I didn't study it as intently as I do our schemes, but I saw precious little of the slide step reach blocking we feature in our running attack. Maybe Moore thinks our guys are more athletic than they are.. but we repeatedly allow penetration when we run this scheme. Yes we can gash teams with sorry *** fronts with it but against even decent fronts our linemen get knocked into the backfield more often than not. Against good fronts we have no chance whatsoever to run the ball. I also noticed that teams stayed committed to the run even when it wasn't yielding big yards. Dillon and Jones were averaging just over 3 ypc against the Rams but they kept hammering at it all game long. They never surrendered the way we do. And they have Aaron Freaking Rodgers at QB.. Oh and that guy with the Bucs is an okay QB too.. yet they also kept pounding the run even when it was getting them under 4 ypc until late in the game. Yes WE have turned completely skittish about running the ball and shift into 5 wide empty backfield at the drop of a hat. I love Dak Prescott as much as anyone but it's absolutely brain dead that we keep asking him to do what even teams with Hall of Fame QBs don't ask of them.. win throwing it 75-80% of the time without even a hint of a rushing attack. What the hell is wrong with our offensive coordinator that he can't see this?

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CowboyFrog said:

Big runs getting called back for holding....We are the most penalized O-line (panthers or us any given week), thats not gonna help any situation.

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RonnieT24 said:

I didn't say it wasn't a bad throw.. What I said was that it was a catch NFL receivers are paid to make. Both things can be equally true.

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quickccc said:

- The Packers also had the benefit of getting out ahead and staying out front with a lead, so that makes it more convenient to try at the run game instead of being in a position where
they are chasing points from behind. They are not in a position where they have to abandon the run.

- What i think what happens with Kellen is if he has the lead or the game score is scoreless at the start, he will go to the run game. If the run game is getting stalled, and Dak is off his game, then
Kellen feels more pressed to get Dak untracked while occasionally run the ball. Problem is .. we rarely are getting splash runs, we are not getting enuff of the 5-6 yards before 3rd down,
and Kellen goes to the pass game to get untracked.

- Now the question I’d have is: why is that we are Not getting the 5-6 yard runs, ..and where are the big splash runs ? ..the 20+ yrd runs ?
Unlike the current Zeke of 2021, Pollard has that 20+ yrd in-line burst to get those type runs, he’s really my measuring gauge, not Elliott. (and this is before he hurt his knee)
- But if Pollard himself is having issues getting untracked and he’s getting stuff at line, or hit for losses in backfield on a frequent basis, that would lead me to
think the road grounders are not doing it upfront, and there’s some issues with the blocking scheme (per Philibin)

- In terms of how much/how many carries the RBs are getting in the run game – that goes to Kellen Moore.
In terms of how we are “designing’ the run-blocking scheme within the OL vs D-fronts, I believe that goes to OL coach Joe Philibin.

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RonnieT24 said:

Come on dude.. don't join in the hate fest with these other morons.. The throw was behind.. but it also hit Noah Brown in the arm. It's a catch that NFL receivers are expected to make 99 out of 100 times. They're not paid to only catch perfect passes.

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quickccc said:

- The Packers also had the benefit of getting out ahead and staying out front with a lead, so that makes it more convenient to try at the run game instead of being in a position where
they are chasing points from behind. They are not in a position where they have to abandon the run.

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quickccc said:

- What i think what happens with Kellen is if he has the lead or the game score is scoreless at the start, he will go to the run game. If the run game is getting stalled, and Dak is off his game, then
Kellen feels more pressed to get Dak untracked while occasionally run the ball. Problem is .. we rarely are getting splash runs, we are not getting enuff of the 5-6 yards before 3rd down,
and Kellen goes to the pass game to get untracked.

- Now the question I’d have is: why is that we are Not getting the 5-6 yard runs, ..and where are the big splash runs ? ..the 20+ yrd runs ?
Unlike the current Zeke of 2021, Pollard has that 20+ yrd in-line burst to get those type runs, he’s really my measuring gauge, not Elliott. (and this is before he hurt his knee)
- But if Pollard himself is having issues getting untracked and he’s getting stuff at line, or hit for losses in backfield on a frequent basis, that would lead me to
think the road grounders are not doing it upfront, and there’s some issues with the blocking scheme (per Philibin)

- In terms of how much/how many carries the RBs are getting in the run game – that goes to Kellen Moore.
In terms of how we are “designing’ the run-blocking scheme within the OL vs D-fronts, I believe that goes to OL coach Joe Philibin.

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blueblood70 said:

umm pollard has 1 more 20+ then zeke and none over 40 where zeke has that 51yarder..your argument tis weak,..when pollards used straight up as rb hes not better then zeke..sure one legged zeke pollard has a slight advantage but not a healthy zeke..pollards biggest run was off gadget play with zeke as a used to distract the defense..hes better 3rd down back or receiving back etc open space guy not fulltime every down back running normal run plays,..

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Cowboy Lover said:

So noah is paid to make a good catch but dak isn't paid to make a very easy throw?
I'm not joining the others....but I am also going to keep it real. I'm not going to protect dak more than noah.
You and me are usually right on....I don't get why you excuse dak....high dollar man...but roast noah #5wr. Something ain't right there.

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RonnieT24 said:

Both.. It was a bad throw.. but you said "Dak threw it in the dirt." That's the part I disagreed with you on because that's the kind of mindless narrative building haters engage in. It was behind.. He had to reach back for it.. It would have been a good catch, but let's not act like we've never seen guys catch the ball that they had to reach back for. Dak was on the move and didn't set his feet and it resulted in a throw that he didn't get out in front or on target. That's not "protecting" anybody or excusing anybody. I know it was a tough ball to catch.. But if it's my job to catch the ball then I catch the ball.

Frankly if my QB throws me this ball in a critical situation there is no way I whiff on it. But this was NOT in the dirt and it was NOT some impossible to catch ball.




Frankly I wish Dak would have just tucked it and run for the damn first down. At this point I trust his surgically repaired leg more than I trust Noah Brown.. who had two drops on two targets against KC and if I'm not mistaken got another one Thursday.

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Cowboy Lover said:

Okay I admit....I exaggerated there...but you seem a bit sensitive about that way I described a clearly inaccurate pass.
Even my wife agrees with you about running it and it has nothing to do with your noah criticism. More dak bad decisions.

I still don't get why you a harder on #5 wr than superstar elite qb. Ronnie...dude....ain't right man.

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RonnieT24 said:

What about the Bucs? They trailed by 10 at the half and never took the lead until there was a minute left in the 3rd. Yet they never moved off the running game.. Their first drive of the 2nd half went 3 runs, 3 passes, touchdown.. Now they were down only 3.. Their next drive? 3 runs in a row, 4 passes in a row, one being a sack, then a DPI, another run.. touchdown.. On the first drive they ran for 4 yards on first down and on the second drive they ran for 5. Point being.. at no time did they panic and go all pass happy just because they were behind ..even when it was two scores.. You just don't have to do what we do just because you fall behind. Good teams don't.. Apparently we are not a good team.


The biggest problem is blocking. Aside from the Charger game and Zeke's big day against the Panthers all our longer runs have come on gadget plays.. Either wildcat or jet sweeps. You can't build a running game around that. We need the coaches to figure out how to create a good old fashioned smash mouth consistent running attack. If they will all be fired.. because without it this team is going nowhere. And Jerry is almost 80.. that's too old to be "patient."

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RonnieT24 said:

Man it made sad as I watched multiple teams open up gaping holes for their backs down after down. It also made me realize that our line is nowhere near as good as its reputation. Well let me qualify that.. Our line cannot execute Kellen Moore's run plays as good as its reputation. What I notice about other teams is that they tend to double team at the point of attack. The Packers did it to Aaron Donald a dozen times when they needed to run the ball. Same with the Bucs when they were closing out the game against the Colts.. And the Broncos against the Chargers.. Admittedly I didn't study it as intently as I do our schemes, but I saw precious little of the slide step reach blocking we feature in our running attack. Maybe Moore thinks our guys are more athletic than they are.. but we repeatedly allow penetration when we run this scheme. Yes we can gash teams with sorry *** fronts with it but against even decent fronts our linemen get knocked into the backfield more often than not. Against good fronts we have no chance whatsoever to run the ball. I also noticed that teams stayed committed to the run even when it wasn't yielding big yards. Dillon and Jones were averaging just over 3 ypc against the Rams but they kept hammering at it all game long. They never surrendered the way we do. And they have Aaron Freaking Rodgers at QB.. Oh and that guy with the Bucs is an okay QB too.. yet they also kept pounding the run even when it was getting them under 4 ypc until late in the game. Yes WE have turned completely skittish about running the ball and shift into 5 wide empty backfield at the drop of a hat. I love Dak Prescott as much as anyone but it's absolutely brain dead that we keep asking him to do what even teams with Hall of Fame QBs don't ask of them.. win throwing it 75-80% of the time without even a hint of a rushing attack. What the hell is wrong with our offensive coordinator that he can't see this?

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quickccc said:

- But are the Bucs running successfully like this all the time ?
- Are they operating as such on a regular basis ? Not just one lone successful game ?

- So with the Cowboys, is it the OL personnel issue ?
- Is it a run scheme design the issue ?
- is it that Kellen is not making this team a run first- run often team ?
- Or is it a RB personnel issue with a lack of splash runs ?
Pollard is averaging 4.2,.. while Zeke is averaging 3.4 yrds per carry
I believe we have not had a RB reach 70 yards in rushing in now how many games ?

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RonnieT24 said:

What part of "it was a bad throw" did you not read? I am not sensitive at all. If you're reading any emotion into anything I write it should be anger and sadness. I want my team to win.. Unlike some I don't really care how they do it or who gets the credit. Running, passing, defense, special teams, who gives a rat's arse. Just win.. That's all I care about.. We're not winning, I am offering my analysis of why .. People can feel free to disagree.. however like I said, piling on with false narratives is frankly unwelcome. You want to say Dak threw the ball behind? Fine.. he did.. You want to say Dak threw the ball in the dirt? I will challenge that assertion because it's false and some other idiot with an agenda or just someone who didn't watch the game will glom onto it and it will take on a life of its own.

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Cowboy Lover said:

Spending that much effort correcting wording...must be exhausting.
From here....you made a bigger point to blame noah. You said wrs get paid to make the catch but you didn't say the same of dak.

What should have been a routine easy throw versus not an easy catch. Dak has more blame in this....clearly. I don't see it from you. Kinda like you objected to my my 'inaccurate ' description of the pass....I object to your inaccurate dak responsibility. Elite high dollar super star qb.

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