Cowboys aren’t a top tier team

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Agree like I said in my post last week.. Dak needs to figure out the extent to which it inspires his teammates (and deflates the defense) when he takes off and converts a big first down with his legs. He CANNOT be content to just throw the ball away when guys aren't open all the time. If the defense is playing man and they all turn their backs to you then go get the cheap 5-6 yards and slide or get out of bounds. Maybe lower the boom on some lil CB if he comes up and tries to take you on.. Watch the reaction from his teammates when he does .. Dak has to take more upon himself to elevate this team and that doesn't just mean throwing it more.. That's Kellen Moore's vision.. it does not need to be Dak's. Dak providing a threat as a runner is good for our offense.. Dak sitting in the pocket taking hits is not..

I'm never going to be one to blame Dak for guys not getting open.. So I am not going to participate in the whole "he can't lift the team without good receivers" narrative. No QB is going to thrive without at least one reliable receiver who can get open (or go beast mode on the DB even if they aint open) and at least a serviceable running game. We've had neither for 3 of the last 4 games. Not surprisingly the offense has looked terrible in those games for the most part and we've lost.
I tend to agree with you here Dak needs to use his legs a bit more for sure the opportunities are there. I don't expect him to have the pinpoint accuracy that Rodgers has that's not who he is. i think many see that and think Dak is getting 40 mil and he needs to do that and that's insane. Rodgers is one of the few people I've ever seen do that. But Dak brings other skills such as running, leadership and he's not terribly inaccurate. he does however need to hit the pass to Noah Brown type passes. There is just no excuse for missing that. Im not even that upset he missed Gallup on the long one but it was pathetic to miss Noah.

But we have so many ledge jumpers this week and drama queens looking at those 2 passes and putting the blame on Dak because of his contract when the defense was horrid again. brown was putrid although at least 1 of them PI calls was bogus IMO but it is what it is. Quinn was stupid to put him on an island on 3rd and 18 to begin with
 

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Breaking news here from apparently the biggest Homer on the site. Did you see that response .

Only the Patriots and Steelers have had more success than the Cowboys this era. I’m blown away. But it explains why he thinks Jethro is one of the best owners.
Define "success ".
 

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This one is tricky.. Which serves the team better.. Dak out butt slappin and cheerleadin or Dak with his head down trying to look over what the defense is showing so he can attack it better? I honestly don't know.. I suspect it's probably a little of both. If he's not grasping what Moore is feeding him then why isn't Moore over there with HIS head in the surface with him. There is definitely something odd about that. But unless we cure the ills on the offensive line Dak is never going to look like he did early in the season because after enough hits a guy starts to see ghosts and his eyes come down to see the rush instead of looking downfield. We've got to protect the guy or our season is toast.
Agreed Ronnie. We got a few things to work out. I think we've survived on some massive talent....and that does include dak, often.

We need to take advantage of good situations...and maybe some bit of luck please?;)
 

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I tend to agree with you here Dak needs to use his legs a bit more for sure the opportunities are there. I don't expect him to have the pinpoint accuracy that Rodgers has that's not who he is. i think many see that and think Dak is getting 40 mil and he needs to do that and that's insane. Rodgers is one of the few people I've ever seen do that. But Dak brings other skills such as running, leadership and he's not terribly inaccurate. he does however need to hit the pass to Noah Brown type passes. There is just no excuse for missing that. Im not even that upset he missed Gallup on the long one but it was pathetic to miss Noah.

But we have so many ledge jumpers this week and drama queens looking at those 2 passes and putting the blame on Dak because of his contract when the defense was horrid again. brown was putrid although at least 1 of them PI calls was bogus IMO but it is what it is. Quinn was stupid to put him on an island on 3rd and 18 to begin with
It may seem like I am harping on that noah pass....I understand. But I get we lost that game...one missed play at a time all game long. Also as Ronnie pointed out....injuries and scheming problems. There is rarely just one thing.

How bad would people have blasted Romo for the errant noah pass? It would have been brutal. :confused: :)
 

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I warned early on from buying into the SB hype but this season is anything but over. There’s still no other division in NFC we’d be leading or picked to win. And that’s ok. That’s who we are.

We have never missed the playoffs after starting 6-1 in 14 seasons with 10 division titles and 4 WC’s. And we won’t miss it this year.

And if we have everyone healthy could still be a tough out. No expectations beyond that . No SB hype . No top tier team hype.

We are what we are. No need to pimp it anymore than that. If we beat some top tier teams in playoffs advancing then we could elevate our status . But not until then.
You do realize the seasons not over right? No you obviously don’t. I swear I’ve never seen more quitters than Cowboys games.
 

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Dont put words in my mouth... those other teams did exactly what I said teams do. They have a brief little run and disappear. The Chiefs? The team that went like 50 years in between SB appearances is now the standard? This is my point. You point to the Seahawks, a team that was irrelevant most of my life, then they had a nice little 2-3 year stretch and have since disappeared... and Im suppose to hope my Cowboys can be like them???? The Saints.. another team that was irrelevant for most of my life, had a nice 8 or so year stretch where they won A superbowl, there HOF qb retires and they now are nothing again, im suppose to hoe we can be like them? The Colts, who again had one of the greatest QBs in the history of the game, then he went away and they got another great qb and did nothing.. Im supposed to hope we can be like them?

Ravens have been pretty good... but like I said, you can point to a few teams and thats it. It isnt like there are 7 teams that have been the standard bearer of how things are done. Nobody ahs the great secret figured out. If they did, Sean Peyton wouldnt be a mediocre team, no have 3 or 4 straight 8-8 season while having the great Drew Brees.
You wouldn’t take a brief success over what we’ve had this era?

My point is I want to be one of those teams. Like we were in previous era.
 

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You do realize the seasons not over right? No you obviously don’t. I swear I’ve never seen more quitters than Cowboys games.
You obviously haven’t read all of my post in this thread. Or you’d know I said there was still time to elevate to a top tier team.
 

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Well how is the poster defining "top tier" team, first of all.

If by that he means top-4, then no. But top 10, then yes.

However, that's mainly because the league overall is, as I guess the NFL wants it, generally average. 21 of the 32 teams are no more than 1 game above .500, and many have losing records. Every team has had one "???" game that they lost.

So if top tier is top 10, yes Dallas is top tier. But it's not because they are a great team. It's all relative.

Now we have THREE games in a row on the road. If they are truly a top tier team, unrelated to the league being average, they will win 2 of the 3.

We'll find out what this team really is in the next 3 games,,,
 

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I warned early on from buying into the SB hype but this season is anything but over. There’s still no other division in NFC we’d be leading or picked to win. And that’s ok. That’s who we are.

We have never missed the playoffs after starting 6-1 in 14 seasons with 10 division titles and 4 WC’s. And we won’t miss it this year.

And if we have everyone healthy could still be a tough out. No expectations beyond that . No SB hype . No top tier team hype.

We are what we are. No need to pimp it anymore than that. If we beat some top tier teams in playoffs advancing then we could elevate our status . But not until then.

Maybe a tough out, but we'll be an out. This team ain't winning in GB or Tampa with this running game and this defense and kicker.
 

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They look like the same old Cowboys and the worst part is they screwed their playoff seeding up.

I’ll judge this team come playoff time but my gosh did they do a number to their Super Bowl odds these last 4 games.

The SB dream is long gone for me. Heck, even the NFC title appearance I am still looking for in my adult life is done with. We might win a wild card home game but that is about it. It's more than just the poor play. It's all the Covid cases, officiating during the game and suspensions. It will never end for Dallas. It is always something around the corner that will put a damper in any hope we had.

We are lucky the East is yet again junk or we could be missing the playoffs. Eagles missed a huge change yesterday to really make this division interesting with one more game remaining in Philly remaining. They are now 5-7 and we still hold the tiebreaker. We still get 2 more against Washington and another against NY. At the very least, we should win 2 of those.

I have to say, I did buy in this year. I saw this team turn a corner and now we were winning big games on the road and defense was making plays. Offense looked unbeatable at times.

I threw the Denver loss out the window after the Atlanta game. But the KC game worried me a lot. This was now 2 out of 3 games we looked very bad on offense. And now I am extremely worried after the Raiders game. I have all given up hope. 3 games out of 4 where we looked bad. Especially the offense, which is how we are going to win anything.
 

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Not sure if that was a joke or spell check, but by 'perineal' do you mean they are close to ***?
Perineal definition :
existing or continuing in the same way for a long time ;happening again and again

Here’s a couple of examples.
Tyron Smith is a perineal All Pro
The Packers are a perineal playoff team.
 

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So....playoff wins and super bowls are not a sign of a top tier team? Hmmmmm....well okay then.

I never meant to suggest that. Not sure why you assumed so. If this team is blessed enough to include that in their resume, great.

Anyone who might have a problem with being in the playoffs or a Super Bowl game wouldn't be a Cowboys fan, in my estimation.

Every competition that this team participates in would have to include that in their record. So much the better for the post season.
 
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It may seem like I am harping on that noah pass....I understand. But I get we lost that game...one missed play at a time all game long. Also as Ronnie pointed out....injuries and scheming problems. There is rarely just one thing.

How bad would people have blasted Romo for the errant noah pass? It would have been brutal. :confused: :)
Look Steve I know you liked Romo a lot and I get I didn’t but the trashing Dak has received as qb of this organization has surpassed what Romo got in my opinion .
But frankly I’m a so sick of the whole debate it’s pointless and I’m pissed at the Noah Brown pass he’ll I could have made that damn pass and I’m 59

that said we shouldn’t have been in that position to begin with there was a lot of blame to go around

All the doom and gloom from this weeks game is just out of control we got 6 games left and we should win four but this is the nfl and every Sunday is different
 

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Well how is the poster defining "top tier" team, first of all.

If by that he means top-4, then no. But top 10, then yes.

However, that's mainly because the league overall is, as I guess the NFL wants it, generally average. 21 of the 32 teams are no more than 1 game above .500, and many have losing records. Every team has had one "???" game that they lost.

So if top tier is top 10, yes Dallas is top tier. But it's not because they are a great team. It's all relative.

Now we have THREE games in a row on the road. If they are truly a top tier team, unrelated to the league being average, they will win 2 of the 3.

We'll find out what this team really is in the next 3 games,,,
I’d agree .

Currently I only have 2 teams in NFC as top tier. Tampa and Green Bay.
 

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Maybe a tough out, but we'll be an out. This team ain't winning in GB or Tampa with this running game and this defense and kicker.
I don’t claim to have a Crystal Ball. But currently this isn’t a Top Tier team. Could it become one. Certainly , but it would take going to Green Bay and or Tampa coming out with a win to reach championship game of Super Bowl.
 
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