How many players away from a legit championship level D?

Cowboyny said:

Are they good enough to carry this team?

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Hawkeye0202 said:

Question........DLaw vs Gregory
You can only keep one
Keep in mind Gregory probably asking $12-15M or tag him

I'm asking coz I'm no longer seeing BOTH returning........too expensive, especially considering Parsons alone has elevated this D with BOTH ON THE SIDELINE.

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Cowboyny said:

Let's assume, Dan Quinn doesn't leave for another HC position. What is still needed to transform this defense into championship level?

Although the scheme has changed, let's go look back at the legion of boom personnel in Seattle where Quinn was their DC:

DE-Avril, Bennett (Gregory, DLaw if both are back are comparable, think DLaw can kick inside as well)
DT-McDaniel, Mebane (more space eater run players then pass rushers, Osa fits, need for another one)

LB-Wagner, Wright, Smith (1 superstar, 1 good linebacker who can play all the spots, need that 2nd LB)

CB-Sherman, Maxwell (We have Diggs who is a ballhawk like Sherman, jury is out if we have our other starting corner on the roster, keep in mind we are more of a man press scheme now)

S-Earl Thomas, Chancellor (I believe Kearse is a similar player to Cam, can do it all inside the box, yes, we need a legit FS and doesn't have to be as good as Earl.

Based this comparison, summary of what I believe is needed to make this D into championship level:

-Need to resign both Gregory and Kearse. Figure out how to also retain DLaw.
-Find another quality space eater for the interior of the DL
-Draft a quality LB who can play next to Parsons, but also has the ability to multiple LB positions
-Need another star DB and a quality role player, doesn't matter which position

2 key pieces at LB/DB and a few good role players

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garyo1954 said:

You know how championship defenses are made?
They win a Super Bowl.
Then everyone calls them a championship defense.

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Cowboyny said:

Let's assume, Dan Quinn doesn't leave for another HC position. What is still needed to transform this defense into championship level?

Although the scheme has changed, let's go look back at the legion of boom personnel in Seattle where Quinn was their DC:

DE-Avril, Bennett (Gregory, DLaw if both are back are comparable, think DLaw can kick inside as well)
DT-McDaniel, Mebane (more space eater run players then pass rushers, Osa fits, need for another one)

LB-Wagner, Wright, Smith (1 superstar, 1 good linebacker who can play all the spots, need that 2nd LB)

CB-Sherman, Maxwell (We have Diggs who is a ballhawk like Sherman, jury is out if we have our other starting corner on the roster, keep in mind we are more of a man press scheme now)

S-Earl Thomas, Chancellor (I believe Kearse is a similar player to Cam, can do it all inside the box, yes, we need a legit FS and doesn't have to be as good as Earl.

Based this comparison, summary of what I believe is needed to make this D into championship level:

-Need to resign both Gregory and Kearse. Figure out how to also retain DLaw.
-Find another quality space eater for the interior of the DL
-Draft a quality LB who can play next to Parsons, but also has the ability to multiple LB positions
-Need another star DB and a quality role player, doesn't matter which position

2 key pieces at LB/DB and a few good role players

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Cowboyny said:

Let's assume, Dan Quinn doesn't leave for another HC position. What is still needed to transform this defense into championship level?

Although the scheme has changed, let's go look back at the legion of boom personnel in Seattle where Quinn was their DC:

DE-Avril, Bennett (Gregory, DLaw if both are back are comparable, think DLaw can kick inside as well)
DT-McDaniel, Mebane (more space eater run players then pass rushers, Osa fits, need for another one)

LB-Wagner, Wright, Smith (1 superstar, 1 good linebacker who can play all the spots, need that 2nd LB)

CB-Sherman, Maxwell (We have Diggs who is a ballhawk like Sherman, jury is out if we have our other starting corner on the roster, keep in mind we are more of a man press scheme now)

S-Earl Thomas, Chancellor (I believe Kearse is a similar player to Cam, can do it all inside the box, yes, we need a legit FS and doesn't have to be as good as Earl.

Based this comparison, summary of what I believe is needed to make this D into championship level:

-Need to resign both Gregory and Kearse. Figure out how to also retain DLaw.
-Find another quality space eater for the interior of the DL
-Draft a quality LB who can play next to Parsons, but also has the ability to multiple LB positions
-Need another star DB and a quality role player, doesn't matter which position

2 key pieces at LB/DB and a few good role players

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Cowboyny said:

Let's assume, Dan Quinn doesn't leave for another HC position. What is still needed to transform this defense into championship level?

Although the scheme has changed, let's go look back at the legion of boom personnel in Seattle where Quinn was their DC:

DE-Avril, Bennett (Gregory, DLaw if both are back are comparable, think DLaw can kick inside as well)
DT-McDaniel, Mebane (more space eater run players then pass rushers, Osa fits, need for another one)

LB-Wagner, Wright, Smith (1 superstar, 1 good linebacker who can play all the spots, need that 2nd LB)

CB-Sherman, Maxwell (We have Diggs who is a ballhawk like Sherman, jury is out if we have our other starting corner on the roster, keep in mind we are more of a man press scheme now)

S-Earl Thomas, Chancellor (I believe Kearse is a similar player to Cam, can do it all inside the box, yes, we need a legit FS and doesn't have to be as good as Earl.

Based this comparison, summary of what I believe is needed to make this D into championship level:

-Need to resign both Gregory and Kearse. Figure out how to also retain DLaw.
-Find another quality space eater for the interior of the DL
-Draft a quality LB who can play next to Parsons, but also has the ability to multiple LB positions
-Need another star DB and a quality role player, doesn't matter which position

2 key pieces at LB/DB and a few good role players

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quickccc said:

- We won't play that str8 4-3 scheme as Legion of Boom did, it's more nickel 5-2 and 4-2-5 than every before in today's NFL
- Vastly disappointed with LVE, high priority replacement post season. i'd re-sign very cheap Neal until i get better
- i'd add Darryl Tapp to that seattle DL as a key reserve
- Diggs has Sherman's INT skills, but not shutdown skills. Still too much of a take-give up/down player. Not all around yet
- clearly no Earl thomas here
- Kearse covers well, supports run/blitzes and he's signal caller

- i think there's a problem with Coaching than just player personnel .. ex- Seattle and Cowboys coach Kris Richard was a much better secondary coach than Joe Whitt and All Harris imo.
- there's so much lack of discipline with this secondary -persistent flags, band angles, blown coverage and assignments, constant upon constant big plays and easy TDs
- i still think Brown and Lewis are major liabilities, ditto for Kazee

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LovinItAll said:

Do you really believe that if you gave Bill B this defense that he wouldn’t make it stout?

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quickccc said:

- we wanna see Quinn or his predecessor continue to utilize Parsons as he is, .. the way we are moving Michah and coming from each side, every angle off edge or up the middle vs RBs,
teams have a difficult time scheming and accounting for him , .. makes it hard to counter and game plan for him.

- Then think if Gregory is able to develop and make his own presents felt. ..?

- Dlaw concerns me with his injury trending history, and games where he cannot take over and be war daddy he's being paid to be so.
but i'll take the 3rd option he brings as opposed to him being out for the season. ..

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quickccc said:

- Where's our Chris Jones in the middle interior ?

- where's our Tyranny Matheiu or Justin Simmons in the middle safety role ?

- where's our supporting LBs and difference makers, aside from Parsons ? LVE and Neal is not happenin' .. dunno about Cox who got very little playing time per rookie
and we'll still have to see if he recovers from ACL injury

- the better QBs and teams will target Anthony Brown , who should be more of a slot CB than starting outside CB

- Gregory represents promising and potential but he has yet to put it altogether as a full time player
suspension, injury or inconsistency has always derailed him.

- we don't have an imposing difference making 1 tech run stuffer ,,Watkins is a reserve on most teams, i'm not impressed with rookie Bohanna at this point.
as far as 3 tech, we'll have to see what comes of Gallimore, Hill and Osa, .. we need to develop quality reserve 3rd and 4th DEs

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Cowboyny said:

I think we start to kick DLaw inside kind of like how the Giants used Tuck and Seattle with Bennett. He should be able to win quicker against lesser competition inside. Parsons needs to continue to be used as a chess piece, find the best matchups to exploit.

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quickccc said:

- That's an option, and i like providing Dlaw as a mismatch vs OGs, but i'd wonder if he's missed so much time out that may hamper his ability to get comfortable mode
as an occasional nickel interior rusher. ..
Heck, only just coming back after just one reg season game, he may be still trying to get his "sea legs " back as a full time starter at DE .

- Cowboys at this point may want to see how Gallimore and Hill work out as interior help before turning to Dlaw as occasional interior help.

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SeanLee50 said:

3.

Run stuffing DT. This is a much improved position from years past. But we still are vulnerable up the middle.
MLB. LVE is garbage
Free Safety. Still need a ballhawk and somebody who can tackle

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