Kellen Moore on running the ball outside the tackles

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It was a great play but I think people losing their minds over it a little. That TD was an inch away from a tackle for loss.

I agree with Moore - running outside is auxiliary, although we should find ways to do it more. need teams to respect our use of the entire field a bit more.
 
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Crown Royal said:
It was a great play but I think people losing their minds over it a little. That TD was an inch away from a tackle for loss.

I agree with Moore - running outside is auxiliary, although we should find ways to do it more. need teams to respect our use of the entire field a bit more.
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There is so many things we could do to improve our run game but taking the 1960s approach aint it.

If you’re going to run right up the middle then use a little Jet Motion every other time. Get the linebackers thinking it could go sideways.

These ego running plays are just getting stuff.

Do we even use draws and counters? I can’t remember the last time I saw a Draw.

Remember that play we used to use with Romo and Demarco? That draw play that was kind of odd looking?

Right now it’s just a static run game.
 
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CATCH17 said:
There is so many things we could do to improve our run game but taking the 1960s approach aint it.

If you’re going to run right up the middle then use a little Jet Motion every other time. Get the linebackers thinking it could go sideways.

These ego running plays are just getting stuff.

Do we even use draws and counters? I can’t remember the last time I saw a Draw.

Remember that play we used to use with Romo and Demarco? That draw play that was kind of odd looking?

Right now it’s just a static run game.
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The last time we used a "draw" play was when we heard Dak say "Ross, Ross", as in painter Bob Ross, and the announcers were laughing so hard.
 
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This quote underscores just how little this man understands about running the football. Running outside in the NFL is almost NEVER about speed or outrunning the defenders to get yards.. It's about outflanking them with your receivers and tight ends and pulling your guards and maybe the center to lead the way for your backs. Every team in the NFL has at least one 4.4 linebacker and several sub 4.4 DBs.. so no you're not going to outrun them many times.. But you CAN seal them off from your ball carrier if your tight ends and receivers execute blocks. On Pollard's 58 yarder we pulled both Tyron and Biadasz who both got a hat on a hat and Noah Brown (or was that Lamb?) kicked his man out .. It was not speed that created that opening.. It was the fact that we got blocking on the outside. The Saints had two defenders with outside leverage so Pollard had to cut it back in and when he did it created a lane for Biadasz to kick on guy out and Brown stayed on the other one. Meanwhile Tyron turned back in and wiped out the remaining inside pursuer. That created the alley that Pollard hit at 100 mph and clearly surprised #43 by how quick he came out the other side.. The point being, that play wasn't made because we outran the defense.. It was made because we blocked. We definitely need to be doing more of that. So if that play proved to Moore that we can then I'm all for it!!!!
 
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RonnieT24 said:
This quote underscores just how little this man understands about running the football. Running outside in the NFL is almost NEVER about speed or outrunning the defenders to get yards.. It's about outflanking them with your receivers and tight ends and pulling your guards and maybe the center to lead the way for your backs. Every team in the NFL has at least one 4.4 linebacker and several sub 4.4 DBs.. so no you're not going to outrun them many times.. But you CAN seal them off from your ball carrier if your tight ends and receivers execute blocks. On Pollard's 58 yarder we pulled both Tyron and Biadasz who both got a hat on a hat and Noah Brown (or was that Lamb?) kicked his man out .. It was not speed that created that opening.. It was the fact that we got blocking on the outside. The Saints had two defenders with outside leverage so Pollard had to cut it back in and when he did it created a lane for Biadasz to kick on guy out and Brown stayed on the other one. Meanwhile Tyron turned back in and wiped out the remaining inside pursuer. That created the alley that Pollard hit at 100 mph and clearly surprised #43 by how quick he came out the other side.. The point being, that play wasn't made because we outran the defense.. It was made because we blocked. We definitely need to be doing more of that. So if that play proved to Moore that we can then I'm all for it!!!!
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100%. Awesome post.


The good thing is if they start giving up inside leverage and play the run hard outside then that allows you to come right back up the middle.

Some type of guessing game should always be involved.

That Rams playoff game and week 1 of last year should be used as a teaching tool with what the Rams did to us.

Even when Dallas knew it was a run they were clueless as to where it was going and who it was going with.

I wish Dallas had a little more Shanahan or McVay on what they do and a little less ego/1960s design.
 
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Can you really blame KM for Elliott's lack of speed to the corner? Maybe KM calls more sweeps if defenders didn't beat Zeke to the edge. Know your personal....

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CATCH17 said:
There is so many things we could do to improve our run game but taking the 1960s approach aint it.

If you’re going to run right up the middle then use a little Jet Motion every other time. Get the linebackers thinking it could go sideways.

These ego running plays are just getting stuff.

Do we even use draws and counters? I can’t remember the last time I saw a Draw.

Remember that play we used to use with Romo and Demarco? That draw play that was kind of odd looking?

Right now it’s just a static run game.
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Well you said Martin should be playing RT and Steel RG so excuse us if we don't take you seriously.
 
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CATCH17 said:
There is so many things we could do to improve our run game but taking the 1960s approach aint it.

If you’re going to run right up the middle then use a little Jet Motion every other time. Get the linebackers thinking it could go sideways.

These ego running plays are just getting stuff.

Do we even use draws and counters? I can’t remember the last time I saw a Draw.

Remember that play we used to use with Romo and Demarco? That draw play that was kind of odd looking?

Right now it’s just a static run game.
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Agree wtih this completely.

What happened to the old Zone Stretch? That was a DEADLY play for us in 2014.
 

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outside run plays are also useful in making a physical D exert themselves. you may or not be super successful on the individual play but it can play a role in success elsewhere.
 
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Two words: Kyle Shanahan

Sounds like KM has a limited mindset that's limiting his offense...JGish sounding.
 
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RonnieT24 said:
This quote underscores just how little this man understands about running the football. Running outside in the NFL is almost NEVER about speed or outrunning the defenders to get yards.. It's about outflanking them with your receivers and tight ends and pulling your guards and maybe the center to lead the way for your backs. Every team in the NFL has at least one 4.4 linebacker and several sub 4.4 DBs.. so no you're not going to outrun them many times.. But you CAN seal them off from your ball carrier if your tight ends and receivers execute blocks. On Pollard's 58 yarder we pulled both Tyron and Biadasz who both got a hat on a hat and Noah Brown (or was that Lamb?) kicked his man out .. It was not speed that created that opening.. It was the fact that we got blocking on the outside. The Saints had two defenders with outside leverage so Pollard had to cut it back in and when he did it created a lane for Biadasz to kick on guy out and Brown stayed on the other one. Meanwhile Tyron turned back in and wiped out the remaining inside pursuer. That created the alley that Pollard hit at 100 mph and clearly surprised #43 by how quick he came out the other side.. The point being, that play wasn't made because we outran the defense.. It was made because we blocked. We definitely need to be doing more of that. So if that play proved to Moore that we can then I'm all for it!!!!
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Im hoping Moore doesn't actually believe what he said there. The real issue lies in the bolded part of your post. The lack of blocking from the TEs and WRs may be the biggest factor in why this team cant consistently run outside. Most teams have a TE or 2 who can stalemate DEs. Our TEs cant even handle a S. And the WRs(minus Brown)? Fughetabout it!
 
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Why are outside runs auxiliary calls? Teams like the Packers have those built in to their game plan every week and it works. Then it becomes another play action weapon to waggle the opposite side and hit easy 10-15 yard gains
 
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