News: New NFL rules and Officiating Problems

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A very good article about the issues:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...re-replay-help-jersey-number-flexibility-more

Blue text is from the article.
Black text is my comments.

Instead of creating a full-time sky judge or a booth umpire, owners decided to formalize communication on a limited menu of calls from the replay official to referees.

The last paragraph of the article is really at the core of the officiating problem:
"This is where officials, the referees are all involved, felt like they wanted to maintain control of the game," said Troy Vincent, the NFL's executive vice president of football operations. "The game should be called on the field with the support of the replay official in the stadium as well as New York when appropriate."

The NFL Referees Association is the Refs Union.
- The replay officials are not in the union.
- Only the on-field refs are in the union.
- The union has resisted replay at every step and continues to resist it as much as possible.
- The NFL will not "Go to war the the union" and instead just whittles away at the problems gradually each year.

This concept exacerbates the desire for the on-field refs to "Be in control".

Control is not the only issue.
- The union does not want to progress to the point that less on-field officials are used and replaced by video refs.
- In reality, with modern technology, the on-field refs are really only needed to maintain control of the game and communicate with coaches/players.
- All of the actual officiating could be done by video.
- The available technology could almost completely eliminate bad calls if used correctly.


Another blurb from the article:
The advance of technology and broadcast quality have laid bare the mistakes and missed calls that historically went unseen, a threat to competitive integrity that will only shine brighter as the league begins to embrace gambling.

The NFL embracing gambling might be the ultimate solution to the officiating problem.
- If Gambling entities get a voice in the process, then the NFL's lackadaisical approach to bad calls will have to change.


More blurbs from the article:

More help from replay official

The NFL has been wrestling for years with the reality that television viewers sometimes have a better view of plays than any of the seven officials on the field. The advance of technology and broadcast quality have laid bare the mistakes and missed calls that historically went unseen, a threat to competitive integrity that will only shine brighter as the league begins to embrace gambling.

Coaches have pushed for adding an eighth official to each crew and assigning them to a stadium suite with access to broadcast feeds and toggle technology. For now, however, owners and competition committee members consider the idea to be both fantasy -- they don't think there are enough qualified candidates -- and an intrusion on the basic tenet that games should be officiated on the field.

What can the replay official weigh in on?

• Penalty enforcement, proper down, spot of a foul, game clock or possession

• Completed or intercepted pass

• Touching of a loose ball, boundary line, goal line or end line

• Location of the football or a player in relation to the boundary line, the line of scrimmage, the line to gain or the goal line

• Down by contact (when a player is not ruled down by contact on the field)

The furthest they are willing to go is allowing the existing replay official, who already sits in a stadium suite but is limited to assistance on plays that are reviewed, to advise referees in a handful of other "specific, objective aspects of a play when clear and obvious video evidence is present," according to the rule.

Replay officials, for example, can now advise referees if they see the ball bounce off the ground on what was ruled a completed catch. If the affected coach does not challenge the call, the referee can listen to the replay official's information and decide to change the ruling. They will not, for example, be able to point out mitigating factors on subjective calls such as pass interference.
 

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What about telling the officials they missed a facemask call after they give a personal to the chiefs?

Do they just get to look up at the Jumbotron and correct their mistake because the crowd boo’s them?
 

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change is needed all that are truths and until fixed or imporved,

conspiracy theorist and game fixing will be at the top of viewers minds. Even if untrue the appearance of impropriety or just the fact you dont care the product is flawed and costing teams games, well tat not good look..
 

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So much of this could just be solved with transparency. Refs are all mic'd. No reason that we shouldnt be able to listen in to when they are huddled up, or hear the replay discussions.
 

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Only way something gets changed is with a fan boycott. Do it for a week so see what happens. Need someone who has a lot of followers to do it though
 

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The NFL Referees Association is the Refs Union.
- The replay officials are not in the union.
- Only the on-field refs are in the union.
- The union has resisted replay at every step and continues to resist it as much as possible.
- The NFL will not "Go to war the the union" and instead just whittles away at the problems gradually each year.

This concept exacerbates the desire for the on-field refs to "Be in control".

It's the same problem with balls and strikes in MLB. Everyone can see how many calls are missed, the technology is there to get it right, yet the umps union (and so-called "purists") fight to keep letting humans make bad calls that affect games, careers, and legacies.
 

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Where do we have the most controversy when it comes to officiating. I think it is PI, what constitutes a catch, and offensive holding. I think PI is on the list because the refs are inconsistent AND the foul is a spot foul, which can be more than 30 yards on some plays. We see plays where defenders clearly get to the receiver before the all arrives and it is not called. Then we see the Anthony Brown call and it leaves everyone confused about what is PI. They can make it very simple by simply saying any intentional contact beyond 5 yards before the ball arrives by either the defender or the receiver is PI.

What constitutes a catch has been a problem for years. The league overcomplicated the rule to the point where no one understands what a catch is in live action on the field. So simplify the rule. Possession/control and two steps is a catch. Forget football move, whatever that is supposed to be. Taking 2 steps with the ball is a football move. This is easy to see on reply, like inbounds and out of bounds. If a receiver has control and takes to step it is a catch no matter how fast the play appears in real life. Will there be more fumbles? Maybe. But it will be easier to judge on the field.

Offensive hold is an issue because we see so much hold all the time. Sometimes it is called and sometimes it isn't. No one seems to know why refs call it sometimes but not others. For example, we see refs call holding when a defensive player is rushing the QB and the offensive lineman gets his arm up around the defenders neck or shoulders as the defender is running around him. Yet sometimes we see the same thing not called. Maybe the refs miss it. I don't know. But we also see more egregious take downs of defensive linemen not called. There are refs who are supposed to be watching the line blocking to spot this stuff. I don't have the answer because I do not want 20 holding penalties called every game. What I want is consistency. I am okay with some leeway for linemen on the LOS. I am not okay with calling the arm around the neck on one team and not the other. If you call it once, call it every time. Maybe by calling it more linemen will learn to let go when the defender gets past them.
 

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What about telling the officials they missed a facemask call after they give a personal to the chiefs?

Do they just get to look up at the Jumbotron and correct their mistake because the crowd boo’s them?


Any even more interesting question would be can they correct wrongly enforced penalties and if not why?

Go back a month earlier when a phantom face mask call that kept Kansas City's game-winning drive alive against the Giants on Monday Night Football. Just as the only people on earth who missed that blow to Dak's Visor were the on-field the only people on earth who saw a face-mask on MNF were the on-field officials. Why would they not buzz down to say the "whole football-watching planet knows that wasn't a penalty guys., pick the flag up..."
 

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As long as they have human beings officiating games there’s going to be mistakes. Even if every call was made by replay it’s not going to be perfect. The call will still be based on someone’s judgment. Whatever call is made some fans aren’t going to be happy with it. That will never change.
 

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...this will linger for years. All we can hope that somehow we get 50/50 out of it.
 

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As long as they have human beings officiating games there’s going to be mistakes. Even if every call was made by replay it’s not going to be perfect. The call will still be based on someone’s judgment. Whatever call is made some fans aren’t going to be happy with it. That will never change.

Absolutely. People want to take judgement calls out of the game and you just never will. But maybe the NFL is okay with this because it causes periodic controversies. When controversy happens, people watch all the more. That's what they're after from the beginning anyways. So leave the 7 out there, knowing they'll never be able to account for all that goes on in 11 different match-ups and let nature take its course.
 

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I don't think listening in on the refs discussions is a good idea. They'll just stop questioning a fellow ref, if they know everybody is listening.

A good start would be game changing penalties that the replay shows were either missed or called wrong.
 

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A very good article about the issues:
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...re-replay-help-jersey-number-flexibility-more

Blue text is from the article.
Black text is my comments.

Instead of creating a full-time sky judge or a booth umpire, owners decided to formalize communication on a limited menu of calls from the replay official to referees.

The last paragraph of the article is really at the core of the officiating problem:
"This is where officials, the referees are all involved, felt like they wanted to maintain control of the game," said Troy Vincent, the NFL's executive vice president of football operations. "The game should be called on the field with the support of the replay official in the stadium as well as New York when appropriate."

The NFL Referees Association is the Refs Union.
- The replay officials are not in the union.
- Only the on-field refs are in the union.
- The union has resisted replay at every step and continues to resist it as much as possible.
- The NFL will not "Go to war the the union" and instead just whittles away at the problems gradually each year.

This concept exacerbates the desire for the on-field refs to "Be in control".

Control is not the only issue.
- The union does not want to progress to the point that less on-field officials are used and replaced by video refs.
- In reality, with modern technology, the on-field refs are really only needed to maintain control of the game and communicate with coaches/players.
- All of the actual officiating could be done by video.
- The available technology could almost completely eliminate bad calls if used correctly.


Another blurb from the article:
The advance of technology and broadcast quality have laid bare the mistakes and missed calls that historically went unseen, a threat to competitive integrity that will only shine brighter as the league begins to embrace gambling.

The NFL embracing gambling might be the ultimate solution to the officiating problem.
- If Gambling entities get a voice in the process, then the NFL's lackadaisical approach to bad calls will have to change.


More blurbs from the article:

More help from replay official

The NFL has been wrestling for years with the reality that television viewers sometimes have a better view of plays than any of the seven officials on the field. The advance of technology and broadcast quality have laid bare the mistakes and missed calls that historically went unseen, a threat to competitive integrity that will only shine brighter as the league begins to embrace gambling.

Coaches have pushed for adding an eighth official to each crew and assigning them to a stadium suite with access to broadcast feeds and toggle technology. For now, however, owners and competition committee members consider the idea to be both fantasy -- they don't think there are enough qualified candidates -- and an intrusion on the basic tenet that games should be officiated on the field.

What can the replay official weigh in on?

• Penalty enforcement, proper down, spot of a foul, game clock or possession

• Completed or intercepted pass

• Touching of a loose ball, boundary line, goal line or end line

• Location of the football or a player in relation to the boundary line, the line of scrimmage, the line to gain or the goal line

• Down by contact (when a player is not ruled down by contact on the field)

The furthest they are willing to go is allowing the existing replay official, who already sits in a stadium suite but is limited to assistance on plays that are reviewed, to advise referees in a handful of other "specific, objective aspects of a play when clear and obvious video evidence is present," according to the rule.

Replay officials, for example, can now advise referees if they see the ball bounce off the ground on what was ruled a completed catch. If the affected coach does not challenge the call, the referee can listen to the replay official's information and decide to change the ruling. They will not, for example, be able to point out mitigating factors on subjective calls such as pass interference.
This is almost exactly what I thought with the atrocious officiating. More judgement calls being approved by the comp committee only makes the problem worse not better. The conspiracy theorist in me still thinks it isn't coincidental that officiating took a nosedive after gambling became legal.
 

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This is almost exactly what I thought with the atrocious officiating. More judgement calls being approved by the comp committee only makes the problem worse not better. The conspiracy theorist in me still thinks it isn't coincidental that officiating took a nosedive after gambling became legal.

It is on purpose. In Roulette they add the green zero and double zeros to tip the balance in favor of the casino. The refs armed with rules written by lawyers serve the same purpose.
 

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Imagine if the Bucs and Pats end up in the Super Bowl. Brady versus Belichick. The ratings for that game would be crazy! You’ll have even more fans thinking the NFL is rigged. Lol
 

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Was this ever made public? Cause it sounds like they did this one, vs us, and now have to justify it as if they were doing this all along. The entire announcer booth, ref consultant included, were dumbfounded when this was used in one of our games
 

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Just not called even across the field. A ref on one side is letting them hand check and letting them play. While the other side is calling everything. Brown was called for everything but the same type of play is likely happening on the other side of the field and not called. That was just a strange game. He played the same way the next week and no flags. Makes it look sketchy..
 
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