What a loss to Wash could mean

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And thanks for yours! Pardon me if I don’t have the same naive, idealistic trust in the 1%ers that you apparently do. Maybe you’ve been more insulated from it, being local, a few years older and a few dollars richer. But that just a theory. And yes, there WASN’T this level of possible corruption, media attention, drama, biased reporting, and an overall negative downturn of everything in the early 90’s, like there is now. Haven’t you noticed America deteriorating?

I keep telling people that it’s insidious, but they just don’t seem to hear that part. It’s impossible to prove anything, it’s just a feeling you get after seeing so many odd coincidences, and knowing in your heart that these warm and fuzzy corporate conglomerates might not always have the same priorities.
Or it could be just sour grapes and excuses from Cowboy fans for the poor decisions and choices we’ve made cause things haven’t gone our way. And it brings some comfort thinking we aren’t totally responsible for the lack of success this era.

Kinda like some people who want to hold society and everyone else responsible for their poor choices and decisions which has limited their potential , success and pursuit of happiness.

The entire system and world is rigged against them.
 
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Last year.

Tampa Bay with 5 weeks to go, the Bucs entered a similar situation
  • they had lost 2 of their last 3 games....just like Dallas
  • had 5 games left....just like Dallas

Oh no! If they lose the next game, surely the end is near!

Well they DID lose the next game (which would be like Dallas losing this week)

Then they never lost again.

Please stop with the hyperbole

Comparing us and Tampa Bay of last year, huh ? That’s rich on many levels...lol.
 

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Comparing us and Tampa Bay of last year, huh ? That’s rich on many levels...lol.
That's ok.

With 5 games left, I can assure you that nobody was thinking SB for TB....or even close.
7-5 after 12 games and people were saying the experiment was a failure.

And btw, I am in no way at all saying Dallas is going to do what they did.
Just saying it's silly to think this game is do or die.
 

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Firing MM is starting over again........I know some are saying promote KM or Quinn but hell, wouldn't they be part of the reason you fired Mike? Also, firing MM is basically firing all assistant coaches also unless you're planning on forcing them on your new hire. Just don't see it happening. It creates more questions than answers, not to mention paying off a boatload of the contract is pretty expensive.

For me, the question is real simple........has MM, in two seasons, proven to be worst than Garrett? IMO that's a hard no......

Who cares where he rates relative to Garrett?

The question to ask is he good enough?

If they collapse down the stretch and lose the division, the answer is likely no, he’s not good enough.
 

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Last year.

Tampa Bay with 5 weeks to go, the Bucs entered a similar situation
  • they had lost 2 of their last 3 games....just like Dallas
  • had 5 games left....just like Dallas

Oh no! If they lose the next game, surely the end is near!

Well they DID lose the next game (which would be like Dallas losing this week)

Then they never lost again.

Please stop with the hyperbole

This is true but we can not be compared with the Bucs They have a player with unprecedented credentials that make the whole team believe and play above their heads in every game till no time remains on the clock .

We have no such animal . All we have when things get tough is doubt and a record of folding like a cheap suit for the last 20+ yrs . Go back to Landry and Staubach thats when we could be compared to the Bucs
 

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Just looking at the last two New York Giants Super Bowl wins….both times, they were not dominant teams. They didn’t even especially play well in December though they did win some key games. Getting in the playoffs and playing well…with a talented team…is the key. Plus…coaching matters. .
 
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Or it could be just sour grapes and excuses from Cowboy fans for the poor decisions and choices we’ve made cause things haven’t gone our way. And it brings some comfort thinking we aren’t totally responsible for the lack of success this era.

Kinda like some people who want to hold society and everyone else responsible for their poor choices and decisions which has limited their potential , success and pursuit of happiness.

The entire system and world is rigged against them.

And I’d argue the potential for corruption would have been much greater in previous eras before the technology of today where everything is exposed almost immediately.

All true to an extent, but you’d argue against anything contrary to your current belief system. It’s called adapting, and being open to new ideas, and the incredibly unlikely proposition that you know everything. We all make mistakes, excuses and poor decisions, but malfeasance and other negative outside sources play a role as well. We live in a gray world. Virtually NOTHING is black and white, and simply acknowledging the existence of greed and the evil machinations of the 1%ers is NOT making excuses. Someone that denies it sounds like “one of them”. Or at least incredibly out of touch.
 

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And thanks for yours! Pardon me if I don’t have the same naive, idealistic trust in the 1%ers that you apparently do. Maybe you’ve been more insulated from it, being local, a few years older and a few dollars richer. But that just a theory. And yes, there WASN’T this level of possible corruption, media attention, drama, biased reporting, and an overall negative downturn of everything in the early 90’s, like there is now. Haven’t you noticed America deteriorating?

I keep telling people that it’s insidious, but they just don’t seem to hear that part. It’s impossible to prove anything, it’s just a feeling you get after seeing so many odd coincidences, and knowing in your heart that these warm and fuzzy corporate conglomerates might not always have the same priorities.
And I’d argue the potential for corruption would have been much greater in previous eras before the technology of today where everything is exposed almost immediately.

Like before we even had Instant Replay. Officials could have been attempting to throw games with no video evidence, cell phones, text or emails to track.

I could have imagined much more possibility of corruption especially with organized crime more involved with business

The possibility a coverup of this magnitude with up to a 100 million eyes of the world watching along with the congressional oversight and massive media coverage it would attract is almost unimaginable without something or someone eventually exposing it.

I’m not saying it couldn’t ever happen. I just think history proves it’s eventually uncovered like wrong doing of this magnitude does . It would be probably the biggest coverup of this generation.
 

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That's ok.

With 5 games left, I can assure you that nobody was thinking SB for TB....or even close.
7-5 after 12 games and people were saying the experiment was a failure.

And btw, I am in no way at all saying Dallas is going to do what they did.
Just saying it's silly to think this game is do or die.

With 5 games left I can guarantee you Tom Brady was thinking SB because thats all he plays for and all the players know that . None of his players ever quit because they knew what he was playing for ,what he was capable of and what he expected from them . Nobody on our team has the respect or credentials to will our team through tough times and on to a championship . There are only a few players and coaches that have that ability in the history of the NFL . We have had them in the past but not for a long time .
This game is a lot more important than it appears statisticly
 

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Who cares where he rates relative to Garrett?

The question to ask is he good enough?

If they collapse down the stretch and lose the division, the answer is likely no, he’s not good enough.

If you think Jerry's firing him with three years left on his contract........I don't what to tell you other than it's not happening. Not to mention his brief tenure isn't that bad.
 

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Just looking at the last two New York Giants Super Bowl wins….both times, they were not dominant teams. They didn’t even especially play well in December though they did win some key games. Getting in the playoffs and playing well…with a talented team…is the key. Plus…coaching matters. .

And they had Eli the luckiest player ever LOL
 

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All true to an extent, but you’d argue against anything contrary to your current belief system. It’s called adapting, and being open to new ideas, and the incredibly unlikely proposition that you know everything. We all make mistakes, excuses and poor decisions, but malfeasance and other negative outside sources play a role as well. We live in a gray world. Virtually NOTHING is black and white, and simply acknowledging the existence of greed and the evil machinations of the 1%ers is NOT making excuses. Someone that denies it sounds like “one of them”. Or at least incredibly out of touch.
I’m actually open to anything that would support your theory . I do feel strongly about this subject . And I’d lead the march on the capital to see it through. But I need something concrete to go on.

And I’m well aware of the corruption in business. And the NFL uses all of their power as well. But the integrity of the game and most importantly their Anti Trust non tax profit exemption rides on that integrity. Without it they’d lose all privileges.

And why despite all of their big business bullying they undertake it’s the one element they must maintain . Which is why they’ve had so many rule changes to review penalties and calls to take every reasonable precaution to get it right.

What they can’t take out is the human element. And it’s an obvious problem . But accusing corruption on these officials and conspiracy by the league without any concrete evidence sounds paranoid to me . Coming from fans I’d lean more to sour grapes and excuses.

We’ve been complaining about bad calls since the 60’s. I think it’s actually much better than it was back then with no oversight or replay video . But it’s never going to be absolute consistent or perfect with the human element of judgement involved. That’s always been a part of the game.
 

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I'll be honest, IMO the absolute worst outcome of the season would be for Dallas to barely win the division, maybe get a playoff win and then exit.

IMO, that would be just enough success for Jerry to justify keeping the team together without really it being justified. If WFT is truly a threat to the Cowboys, the season is already a loss and I would prefer that they just lose, miss the playoffs and get a better pick with some roster turnover.

Obviously, the best case scenario is that Dallas stomps WFT like the second rate team that they are, wins most of their games to close the season and gets a higher playoff seed leading to a NFC championship game appearance.

I do think that Dallas is good enough to get that done but if they aren't . . . if a mediocre squad like WFT is truly Dallas' equal, well, burn it down.
 

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And I’d argue the potential for corruption would have been much greater in previous eras before the technology of today where everything is exposed almost immediately.

Like before we even had Instant Replay. Officials could have been attempting to throw games with no video evidence, cell phones, text or emails to track.

I could have imagined much more possibility of corruption especially with organized crime more involved with business

The possibility a coverup of this magnitude with up to a 100 million eyes of the world watching along with the congressional oversight and massive media coverage it would attract is almost unimaginable without something or someone eventually exposing it.

I’m not saying it couldn’t ever happen. I just think history proves it’s eventually uncovered like wrong doing of this magnitude does . It would be probably the biggest coverup of this generation.
You act like I’m supporting the notion of some big evil plan, a network of cheating orchestrated by a group of old, fat, super wealthy white guys, or something ridiculous, and all I’m suggesting is there is a small group of power brokers whose number one priority is profit. I’m also saying subjective penalties change outcomes, and it can’t be proven to be malfeasance.
 

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First of all I’m not predicting a loss , I’m just imagining what it could mean to this season and team. It would drop us to 8-5 only 1 game ahead in division to Wash at 7-6 with a rematch basically for the division in 2 weeks.

Which isn’t the end and the division title could still be out there for us . A win in 2 weeks could put us 2 games up with 2 to go . Pretty good shape… except.

I think there’s some bigger underlying conditions going on here and why our HC felt inclined to make such a boisterous gesture. He senses the weight of this game not only to the season but the hype around this team being a SB contender .

After starting off like one of the best teams this year we’ve fallen in recent weeks and this could continue that Freefall to greater depths . The media will absolutely destroy us and possibly our HC.

This could be a dumpster fire of tremendous proportions . One that might be too great for our HC to overcome moving forward. And why I think this is currently the biggest game in this HC’s tenure. And why he went out on a limb. Cause if we don’t win his future here barring a deep playoff run will be in question moving forward.

Not that it guarantees a Dallas win, but the last I heard was that Washington has several more players that have just been declared out for ths game, as in:
  • The Washington Football Team placed cornerback Darryl Roberts and defensive end James Smith-Williams on the reserve/COVID-19 list. Guard Wes Schweitzer was placed on IR.
Every little bit helps...
 

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You act like I’m supporting the notion of some big evil plan, a network of cheating orchestrated by a group of old, fat, super wealthy white guys, or something ridiculous, and all I’m suggesting is there is a small group of power brokers whose number one priority is profit. I’m also saying subjective penalties change outcomes, and it can’t be proven to be malfeasance.
In order to carry out these outcomes though in whatever scale or capacity they’d need the cooperation of some officials and the league to coordinate and organize as such.

I’m in total agreement that some of these poor and questionable calls do alter the results of the game. They always have.
 
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First of all I’m not predicting a loss , I’m just imagining what it could mean to this season and team. It would drop us to 8-5 only 1 game ahead in division to Wash at 7-6 with a rematch basically for the division in 2 weeks.

Which isn’t the end and the division title could still be out there for us . A win in 2 weeks could put us 2 games up with 2 to go . Pretty good shape… except.

I think there’s some bigger underlying conditions going on here and why our HC felt inclined to make such a boisterous gesture. He senses the weight of this game not only to the season but the hype around this team being a SB contender .

After starting off like one of the best teams this year we’ve fallen in recent weeks and this could continue that Freefall to greater depths . The media will absolutely destroy us and possibly our HC.

This could be a dumpster fire of tremendous proportions . One that might be too great for our HC to overcome moving forward. And why I think this is currently the biggest game in this HC’s tenure. And why he went out on a limb. Cause if we don’t win his future here barring a deep playoff run will be in question moving forward.

It wouldn't be anything we haven't seen before in the last 25 years.
 

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I'll be honest, IMO the absolute worst outcome of the season would be for Dallas to barely win the division, maybe get a playoff win and then exit.

IMO, that would be just enough success for Jerry to justify keeping the team together without really it being justified. If WFT is truly a threat to the Cowboys, the season is already a loss and I would prefer that they just lose, miss the playoffs and get a better pick with some roster turnover.

Obviously, the best case scenario is that Dallas stomps WFT like the second rate team that they are, wins most of their games to close the season and gets a higher playoff seed leading to a NFC championship game appearance.

I do think that Dallas is good enough to get that done but if they aren't . . . if a mediocre squad like WFT is truly Dallas' equal, well, burn it down.
We didn’t burn it down after losses to Denver and Vegas, why Wash.
 

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First of all I’m not predicting a loss , I’m just imagining what it could mean to this season and team. It would drop us to 8-5 only 1 game ahead in division to Wash at 7-6 with a rematch basically for the division in 2 weeks.

Which isn’t the end and the division title could still be out there for us . A win in 2 weeks could put us 2 games up with 2 to go . Pretty good shape… except.

I think there’s some bigger underlying conditions going on here and why our HC felt inclined to make such a boisterous gesture. He senses the weight of this game not only to the season but the hype around this team being a SB contender .

After starting off like one of the best teams this year we’ve fallen in recent weeks and this could continue that Freefall to greater depths . The media will absolutely destroy us and possibly our HC.

This could be a dumpster fire of tremendous proportions . One that might be too great for our HC to overcome moving forward. And why I think this is currently the biggest game in this HC’s tenure. And why he went out on a limb. Cause if we don’t win his future here barring a deep playoff run will be in question moving forward.


mr DieHard---- you one cool dude....but i will not even read such things on a Saturday night before a 10AM pacific time game.....no room for defeat in this small abode
 

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I'll be honest, IMO the absolute worst outcome of the season would be for Dallas to barely win the division, maybe get a playoff win and then exit.

IMO, that would be just enough success for Jerry to justify keeping the team together without really it being justified. If WFT is truly a threat to the Cowboys, the season is already a loss and I would prefer that they just lose, miss the playoffs and get a better pick with some roster turnover.

Obviously, the best case scenario is that Dallas stomps WFT like the second rate team that they are, wins most of their games to close the season and gets a higher playoff seed leading to a NFC championship game appearance.

I do think that Dallas is good enough to get that done but if they aren't . . . if a mediocre squad like WFT is truly Dallas' equal, well, burn it down.

I agree, if this team falters Jerry should just "burn it down" and hire some new personnel people to rebuild it. Therein lies the problem.

"Burn it down" and do what? Hope the two morons who have been tripping over their own two feet for a quarter century finally get it right?

Enjoy what you have, take what you can get. There's no starting over with the Cowboys. It's just Jerry & Son playing fantasy football with lifetime contracts.
 
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