Gallimore = 3-4 NT?

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There were a lot of top notch plays on defense, but there is something about that one that stands above the others

He didn't even break his stride, 2 slight adjustments
Agreed, that play stood out to me out of all the others. Maybe because it came from someone who isn't one of the "big" names, but mostly because it was sheer dominance. Not to mention it took out the QB (and another player if I remember?).
 
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Agreed, that play stood out to me out of all the others. Maybe because it came from someone who isn't one of the "big" names, but mostly because it was sheer dominance. Not to mention it took out the QB (and another player if I remember?).

the center and the qb were running a backwards relay race and gallimore was the baton
 

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Clear how the coaches see this. Several pass rush sets with Gregory and Gallimore on the inside.
 

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Yeah and that shortened his career. Him and David Irving were similar players IMO. They played best at NT lined up over the center but were often a liability against the run because of being outsized. Teams would counter Ratliff/Irving by rushing up the gut for a pretty easy 7+ yard gain consistently.

Gallimore shuts down the run all game. Gibson had nowhere to run today.
Yeah Ratliff took a beating and still was dominant. Imagine him as a 3 tech with Ware and Spencer on the outside.
 

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I'm saying D-Law is a tailor made 5-tech LDE. With Parsons playing L.OLB near the LOS to D-Law's immediate left side in a two point stance. Gregory playing R.OLB in the two point stance next to the 3-tech RDE, possibly Odighizuwa or even Gallimore if they wanted to go with Watkins at NT.

- if i'm trying to understand what you're implying .. in a 3-4 look, we move Dlaw inside as a 3-4 DE ?

- i think even if we go more 3-4 (to which we don't have LBs for that scheme) ..... Dlaw would be more of a Kevin Greene...Greg Ellis like 3-4 OLB.
And the biggest key is he would have to be a stand up OLB, rather than in a 3 point stance, with his hand in the dirt.
Supposedly he feels most comfortable in a 3 point stance, rather than standing up.

- if anything could we Quinn flex Law inside as an 4-man nickel rusher .. but from what i've seen, the past 2 game, parsons is still rushing off the edge, even when Dlaw is playing
his LDE role.
But with what they think of Gallimore and Hill and even Osa, i somewhat doubt that we'll see much Dlaw flexed inside.
 

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- if i'm trying to understand what you're implying .. in a 3-4 look, we move Dlaw inside as a 3-4 DE ?

- i think even if we go more 3-4 (to which we don't have LBs for that scheme) ..... Dlaw would be more of a Kevin Greene...Greg Ellis like 3-4 OLB.
And the biggest key is he would have to be a stand up OLB, rather than in a 3 point stance, with his hand in the dirt.
Supposedly he feels most comfortable in a 3 point stance, rather than standing up.

- if anything could we Quinn flex Law inside as an 4-man nickel rusher .. but from what i've seen, the past 2 game, parsons is still rushing off the edge, even when Dlaw is playing
his LDE role.
But with what they think of Gallimore and Hill and even Osa, i somewhat doubt that we'll see much Dlaw flexed inside.
Lawrence is a 5-tech DE. Greg Ellis should have been too, he was a bit OOP. Run stopping bigger guys like Lawrence who aren't quick twitch don't belong at OLB in a 3-4. They belong in the JJ Watt role - 5 tech DE. Every down rusher.

The myth of "we don't have enough LBs for 3-4 scheme" is hogwash. For OLB, Micah and Gregory obviously fit that bill, and we also have Armstrong and a couple other backups who can do that, and we can find another guy in the draft and another on the street to back up our stars no problem. For ILB, we have Cox who is a long term cornerstone at ILB, likely the Will / spy position with that speed and quicks combo. Kearse also is a 3-4 ILB in today's nickel league. We also have other guys like Gifford who can fill that role and we can draft another ILB in the mid rounds too, and/or re-sign Neal is another possibility but not a necessity. Remember it's a nickel league (more than 50% of snaps are either nickel, big nickel, dime, dollar or quarter -- so not base -- though I haven't seen Dollar used since the Marinelli era) so the second ILB isn't always a necessity.
 

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Lawrence is a 5-tech DE. Greg Ellis should have been too, he was a bit OOP. Run stopping bigger guys like Lawrence who aren't quick twitch don't belong at OLB in a 3-4. They belong in the JJ Watt role - 5 tech DE. Every down rusher.

The myth of "we don't have enough LBs for 3-4 scheme" is hogwash. For OLB, Micah and Gregory obviously fit that bill, and we also have Armstrong and a couple other backups who can do that, and we can find another guy in the draft and another on the street to back up our stars no problem. For ILB, we have Cox who is a long term cornerstone at ILB, likely the Will / spy position with that speed and quicks combo. Kearse also is a 3-4 ILB in today's nickel league.

We also have other guys like Gifford who can fill that role and we can draft another ILB in the mid rounds too, and/or re-sign Neal is another possibility but not a necessity. Remember it's a nickel league (more than 50% of snaps are either nickel, big nickel, dime, dollar or quarter -- so not base -- though I haven't seen Dollar used since the Marinelli era) so the second ILB isn't always a necessity.

- If you've watched LVE play, physicality is not his suit.. so why would you asked him to be a physical inside LB ..?

- you have Parson in the middle but you don't have a sideline in the middle, ..adn then there's who else ?.....215 pound Keanu Neal ?

- Kearse is not an every down LB .. just as you said , nickel ? in long down spots and packages .. but that's not an every down LB
.. in a nickel alignment and packages - he's your Bill Bates/Kenneth Gant taking underneath and close to line support/bltiz - he's your 8th man in support but he's not a legit LB .

- Armstrong as an OLB ala reversing in coverage- is ridiculous as we saw as such in Mike Nolan's disaster defense scheme.

- Cox is more known for his pass coverage than his run defense - at this point he's light in the azz, and still muscling up - i would think he's at his best in space, zones and
off the edge than taking on OL guys in the interior.
 

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My hope was Quinton Bohanna would become the physically imposing run stuffing NT we had envisioned .. the one that gains penetration and stalemates at the line that
it changes how teams cannot run on us.

One that draws and commands double team on a regular basis that it not only frees up fellow line mates but allows LBs to flow into traffic but thus far
he just has not been a factor.

With the return of Gallimore and Hill, I would expect Bohanna to fall further back into the depth charts. Athletic and mobile for one his size, he doesntt know how to
play the game in the trenches at the NFL level ..just yet. Way often detoured away from the action or always on the ground that's not near the action.
He's too much a process in the making. Not this year.
 

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He sure seems to be a much bigger body than last year and a ton of muscle and beef and power not just fat. Seemed to line up over the nose a lot today and rushed from that position in his big sack right up the gut that took out 3 Skins players including the QB for the day. He instantly improved our run defense up the gut as a two gapper in the middle of the D-line, and is a major addition to the team.... I thought he was more of a 3-tech but now I'm getting NT vibes from him... he must be at least 320-330 by now.... probably ate well during the 4 months off... but also worked his butt off. Excellent player and a keeper still on year 2 of a rookie contract.

I'm liking the Parsons-Lawrence-Gallimore-Odighizuwa-Gregory front with the middle 3 in three point stances and the outer 2 in two point stance. Just seems like such a dominant personnel combo.

This was the 5 man front combination of players I think that Quinn referred to in pre-season when he said what we would be running what would look like a 3-4 and also when Parsons was quoted on the Ross Tucker Podcast that Quinn had told him we would run a 3-4.

It did not disappoint
 

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He’s an undersized guy who’s twitchy and quick. Not a 3/4 nose. Don’t think he can handle a double team. Just because he bull rushed a center got underneath him with leverage doesn’t mean he can play 3/4 nose. Happy we got him and he can definitely beat a center one on one but I wouldn’t count on him over the nose every play. Just passing downs
 

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He’s an undersized guy who’s twitchy and quick. Not a 3/4 nose. Don’t think he can handle a double team. Just because he bull rushed a center got underneath him with leverage doesn’t mean he can play 3/4 nose. Happy we got him and he can definitely beat a center one on one but I wouldn’t count on him over the nose every play. Just passing downs
He's 6'2" 340... call him undersized to his face next time.
 

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It would be silly to move to a 3/4 as a base. We sprinkle it in now. We need to stay multiple. We are in the right defense for our personnel. It would be really dumb to change what we are doing. Like stupid even.
 

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Just complete carnage.

Players down and stretchers out.

What a play.

My favorite play of the game. If we can do that and prevent it from being done to us, we'll make some noise in playoffs for sure.
 
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