The Cowboys should sit Zeke

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So we're definitely cutting him in the offseason right?

I wrote the following 30 months ago.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/how-special-is-ezekiel.437481/

And for 30 months Zeke hasn't been special. In fact he hasn't even been our best RB. In any case no matter your feelings he certainly has not been what we paid him.

Look...I always knew i'd be right. That was obvious. But we have a chance this year to go deep in the playoffs. We can't keep giving zeke all these touches if we want to get where we need to be.

We have to scale back his touches. He's worse than a JAG because he's taking opportunities from better players. Sucks man.

On the bright side...very happy the Giants drafted Barkley. LOL

Zeke should rest for the playoffs but management has seen Rayne without #21 and are fearful of us not being able to score a single TD.......
Remember we broke a Cowboy record without Zeke as we went 15 str8 Quarters of offense without a single TD!:(
 

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I compare Zeke to a pitcher that is overused. Gets a noodle arm and no longer has his stuff.Then he is used differently, as your closer. Ferando Valenzuela was a prime example back in the day. They rode him too hard and for too many innings.He became a great closer. That is Zeke. Now can he still be effective? Heck yes! We saw it yesterday. He's a hammer! Great goal line guy and short yardage. He's not done yet. Resting him all together is bad for him. Zeke needs in game reps. Just don't give him 25 totes and he will last.
 

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Not really, he's only 26 and he lost his burst a good two seasons ago. All RBs don't start their decline at age 23-24. That's what I find odd.
One, he got a huge workload his first few years. Probably way too much.

Two, he parties a lot and doesn't take care of himself.

That's it.
 

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What's Romo (or paying any QB for that matter) got to do with paying TBs?
Well they do get paid too? Just wondering are you buying into QB contracts, good or bad, in comparison to TBs, good or bad? And it seems to don't like TBs after they hit a "wall", and I'd assume you like Zeke in the early years, and never thought "That TB is undepaid."
 

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If it’s us paying a boatload for a TB, yeah, I will want him out too. It’s not about Zeke. It’s about the position. I think it’s foolish in today’s NFL to use premium picks and oodles of cap space on TBs. Almost every team ends up regretting or not getting the return in high investments in TBs.
And CB's. And QB's. Well, pretty much every position.
 

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Well they do get paid too? Just wondering are you buying into QB contracts, good or bad, in comparison to TBs, good or bad? And it seems to don't like TBs after they hit a "wall", and I'd assume you like Zeke in the early years, and never thought "That TB is undepaid."

Yeah I buy them. Now of course there are bad contracts everywhere, but TB contracts seem to be the worst and often result in the least return on large investments.

1) QBs are the most important position on the field. They have a higher bearing on outcomes of games than most other players. Their high salaries/cap hits are largely tied to their importance to the team.

2) QBs can play longer than TBs, typically. The data shows that TBs fall off faster than most other positions in terms of production given the wear and tear on their bodies. In fact, back when Dallas didn't sign Murray, the Cowboys talked about their data and drop off in production at certain "carry" thresholds.

3) As noted, there are many, many, many examples of TBs who see declining production at younger ages than most other positions. Again, it's largely due to the nature of the position, the frequency of hits they take, etc. There are some rare exceptions, such as Peterson, but he was an athletic freak of nature not often seen in the NFL.

It's not even about when they hit a wall. I just don't like putting money in any TB at any time because it's a position where you see teams time and time again succeed and build competent run games while hodge podging it at TB. So I wouldn't even use a high first round pick on a TB. I think the way to do it is churn through mid round and FA TBs and spend your money in the OL, not in the TB.
 
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So we're definitely cutting him in the offseason right?

I wrote the following 30 months ago.

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/how-special-is-ezekiel.437481/

And for 30 months Zeke hasn't been special. In fact he hasn't even been our best RB. In any case no matter your feelings he certainly has not been what we paid him.

Look...I always knew i'd be right. That was obvious. But we have a chance this year to go deep in the playoffs. We can't keep giving zeke all these touches if we want to get where we need to be.

We have to scale back his touches. He's worse than a JAG because he's taking opportunities from better players. Sucks man.

On the bright side...very happy the Giants drafted Barkley. LOL

They should cut him. HE is hurting the team on the field and financially.
 

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Yes the cap hit is just entirely too much at $30m. He looked good at the start of this season, pedestrian after his injury but yesterday showed he's on the upswing and should get more healed up these last few weeks. I think him and Pollard will get rested some and hopefully they get an RB3 involved.

Unless a player is actively hurting the team you can't eat a cap hit that large, and he is still an important cog in this offense.

LOL........How does yesterday show Zeke is on the upswing? 3ypc. What game were you watching?
 

KJJ

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So we're definitely cutting him in the offseason right?

We still owe him a lot of money and would take too big a cap hit to cut him after this season. At least that’s what I’m hearing. The team may try and restructure his deal to free up some money. He’ll be gone after next season.
 

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He is not Adrian Peterson, this is the lifecycle of most RBs, not sure why we thought he was any different. Maybe his lifestyle away from football gave us hope of a longer career. .

So beating women and exposing their breasts is good for a longer career?
 

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I mean there is basically no chance of Zeke getting cut in the offseason. If you cut him pre June 1 then you incur 30 million in dead money this year aka 12 million more than what you would incur otherwise and considering the Cowboys need to shave money to get under the cap (basically by cutting Cooper) there is no motivation to cut Zeke. Even if you designate him as your sole post 6/1 cut then you still save 0 dollars and have an 18 million dollar dead money hit this year and 12 million next year (2023). After next season cutting Zeke becomes possible and after 2023 it becomes probable. That is just how his contract is structured.
 

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Yeah I buy them. Now of course there are bad contracts everywhere, but TB contracts seem to be the worst and often result in the least return on large investments.

1) QBs are the most important position on the field. They have a higher bearing on outcomes of games than most other players. Their high salaries/cap hits are largely tied to their importance to the team.

2) QBs can play longer than TBs, typically. The data shows that TBs fall off faster than most other positions in terms of production given the wear and tear on their bodies. In fact, back when Dallas didn't sign Murray, the Cowboys talked about their data and drop off in production at certain "carry" thresholds.

3) As noted, there are many, many, many examples of TBs who see declining production at younger ages than most other positions. Again, it's largely due to the nature of the position, the frequency of hits they take, etc. There are some rare exceptions, such as Peterson, but he was an athletic freak of nature not often seen in the NFL.

It's not even about when they hit a wall. I just don't like putting money in any TB at any time because it's a position where you see teams time and time again succeed and build competent run games while hodge podging it at TB. So I wouldn't even use a high first round pick on a TB. I think the way to do it is churn through mid round and FA TBs and spend your money in the OL, not in the TB.
Sydia.....I got it. Only QBs can be paid, regardless of performance, over time. And you don't like a TB asking for money. No problem.
 

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Sydia.....I got it. Only QBs can be paid, regardless of performance, over time. And you don't like a TB asking for money. No problem.

It's just smart business from a cap perspective. I know it's tough for Elliott fan boys like yourself to grasp that but the reality is this league shows you can be successful and win games and build a good running game WITHOUT having to pay top dollar for a TB. Now you can ignore the evidence and the statistics that show TBs drop off in production more than any other position, but that's because you just struggle to admit the Cowboys likely didn't make the smartest move in extending him.
 

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We can all see Zeke isn’t a 100% but what would his absence do to further damage Dak’s confidence? They said yesterday during the broadcast the doctor said the knee couldn’t be further damaged by playing so why rest him before we’ve clinched anything or when we’re still playing for playoff positioning as well as trying to gain back continuity on offense? Perhaps the last game if there’s nothing left to gain you sit him but that’s it.
So when was Zeke 100%?

He hasn't been an elite RB in 3+ years. I detailed that in the thread linked in the OP.

How long are you willing to wait? Another 2 year?
 

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Sorry but Zeke's contract is designed so he can be cut after the 2022 season. He's not going anywhere until then.
He isn't....good.

Who cares what is optimal cap wise if he's here no matter what.

He's taking snaps from good RBs.
 

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Zeke, should have been sat down after his injury. Him being the poster child for grit, has done nothing but hurt him. The teams unknown reliance on a hobbled back is ridiculous. Pollard, along with Clement could have weathered the storm until Zeke was again healthy. Bash him if you must, but the same lot would be complaining if he sat out.
 
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