Jerry Jones and the office management deserves credit

fivetwos · Dec 29, 2021

Diehardblues said:
Yea but it doesn’t forgive the last 25 years. Instead it makes us realize how much we wasted.

Oh don't get me wrong....I'm NEVER forgiving the Jerry ego show.

DandyDon52 · Dec 29, 2021

Jerry doesnt deserve any credit, and really doesnt need or want our approval or credit.
The credit he wants is in his own mind, that is enough for him.
If they get past div round, or into SB , or win SB, dont worry jerry will give himself mucho credit lol.
Jerry has a built in automatic back patter. When he built his domed art gallery with biggest tv, that patter was working 24-7 for several years.

ultron · Dec 29, 2021

Very true.

*Gives credit*

Diehardblues · Dec 29, 2021

Doomsday101 said:
Jerry has made statement and in the end that is not what happened. I'm sorry I don't think Jerry is telling McCarthy how to run the team. I think Jerry is privy to meetings they have but no I don't think Jerry is running around telling McCarthy what he will do.

Having the last word on big decisions doesn’t mean he’s running around telling him what to do.

Remember what Parcells said” you have to convince Jerry to go against his instincts”. And I’m sure the more success we have the more influence MM will have.

Streifenkarl · Dec 29, 2021

Bobhaze said:
Yes, the old man has had a good year. But as you said, I will withhold the “credit” until we win at least a divisional playoff game. And if so, he will deserve his craved “credit”.

And I will also give him credit for being rich enough to not have a boss that could fire him for the last 25 years. He’s the only GM (besides Brown in Cincy) that can keep his job despite results.

Put it this way…if any of us had the cash and time stand all day at a Vegas roulette table and roll it time after time after time after time after time after time after time….26 times and finally get a good spin…how much credit would be due?

Well said, hear hear! :clap:

Bobhaze · Dec 29, 2021

DandyDon52 said:
Jerry doesnt deserve any credit, and really doesnt need or want our approval or credit.
The credit he wants is in his own mind, that is enough for him.
If they get past div round, or into SB , or win SB, dont worry jerry will give himself mucho credit lol.
Jerry has a built in automatic back patter. When he built his domed art gallery with biggest tv, that patter was working 24-7 for several years.

Truth.

CCBoy · Dec 29, 2021

RonnieT24 said:
Praising Jerry will get you banned here.. I suggest you tread lightly..

TequilaCowboy · Dec 30, 2021

D4KADON said:
1. They could’ve parted ways with Gregory many times but Jerry did it the right way because he saw the player he could be

2. Drafting Parsons is a franchise changer. Wow wow wow

3. Finally investing in Dak long term and taking care of the contract before the regular season starts

4. Hiring McCarthy was the right decision. He knows how to build a championship team and his players absolutely love him

5. Dan Quinn hire

Although i agree with your list.....it is upside down. Other than that.... :thumbup:

817Gill · Dec 30, 2021

Majic said:
I agree with 1 and probably 4.

2 they were all over the place in what they wanted to do and settled for the best player on their board

3 they got wrong, they were too late

5 I believe McCarthy suggested Quinn

McCarthy wanted Joe Whitt who came on as a defensive assistant. The FO were the ones with their eyes on Quinn. They actually had to push back on Whitt because McCarthy had free reign with Nolan and it went terribly.

Whitt was another longtime McCarthy assistant and friend and they couldn’t give him another free run at an old friend. You can call it meddling but I call it responsible management. With the way Nolan came and went it would behoove them to have a bit more input on the assistants.

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/.amp...shing-joe-whitt-as-dallas-cowboys-coordinator

Zekeats · Dec 30, 2021

It’s all will mcclay

Majic · Dec 30, 2021

817Gill said:
McCarthy wanted Joe Whitt who came on as a defensive assistant. The FO were the ones with their eyes on Quinn. They actually had to push back on Whitt because McCarthy had free reign with Nolan and it went terribly.

Whitt was another longtime McCarthy assistant and friend and they couldn’t give him another free run at an old friend. You can call it meddling but I call it responsible management. With the way Nolan came and went it would behoove them to have a bit more input on the assistants.

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/.amp...shing-joe-whitt-as-dallas-cowboys-coordinator

One of the Joneses did say recently on his radio show (a few months back if my memory serves me correct) that it was MM who suggested DQ when discussing who to replace Nolan with

SteveTheCowboy · Dec 30, 2021

Reverend Conehead said:
I think there was a big turning point when Jerry passed on drafting Johnny Manziel and went with a high quality O lineman in Zack Martin instead. It's easy to look back and say "well, duh," but Manziel had been playing lights out in college and looked like a brilliant escape artist and miracle maker. A lot of people thought he would become an elite NFL quarterback. I'm proud of this organization for seeing through the Manziel hype. Manziel had a bunch of playing habits that worked in the NCAA, but will get you clobbered in the NFL, not to mention his off the field shenanigans. He had bad field habits and not anywhere near the maturity to overcome them. Instead of that bozo, we got an outstanding lineman that you can build from.

I remember begging us to not do it. When I saw flash the money sign after a TD in a fairly meaningless college game...."head case trouble maker".

That was an easy call....although yeah Jerry was close.

SteveTheCowboy · Dec 30, 2021

Something I noticed is Jerry is more reserved in his suite during the game.

It could be a sign he's letting other people coach and mange the team and he's in a retirement mode of sorts.

It was good seeing him smile in the *** team game instead of doing jumping jacks.

ArtClink · Dec 30, 2021

Cowboy Lover said:
Something I noticed is Jerry is more reserved in his suite during the game.

It could be a sign he's letting other people coach and mange the team and he's in a retirement mode of sorts.

It was good seeing him smile in the *** team game instead of doing jumping jacks.

Jerry will stop meddling, stop discussing game plans (hc should be discussing this), stop hiring the assistant coaches for his head coaches, and stop having the final say in all football matters when he is lowered into the ground at the midfield star when he sings with “the choir eternal”.

I have been following the Cowboys back to the Landry days and after watching Jones mismanage the franchise for the better part of two decades, I think I have enough evidence to know Jerry does not have any skills in drafting or building a winner. Those three Super Bowls was all Jimmy and the dynasty Jimmy built. Jerry gets credit for hiring Jimmy and signing checks, nothing more. Jimmy was operating as the gm since he had the last say in all football matters.

SteveTheCowboy · Dec 30, 2021

ArtClink said:
Jerry will stop meddling, stop discussing game plans (hc should be discussing this), stop hiring the assistant coaches for his head coaches, and stop having the final say in all football matters when he is lowered into the ground at the midfield star when he sings with “the choir eternal”.

I have been following the Cowboys back to the Landry days and after watching Jones mismanage the franchise for the better part of two decades, I think I have enough evidence to know Jerry does not have any skills in drafting or building a winner. Those three Super Bowls was all Jimmy and the dynasty Jimmy built. Jerry gets credit for hiring Jimmy and signing checks, nothing more. Jimmy was operating as the gm since he had the last say in all football matters.

Mkay.

Macnalty · Dec 30, 2021

Jake said:
Some of y'all seem awfully concerned with making sure ol' Jerry gets his credit.

When he and sonny demonstrate they can win something their way I'll be happy to give them credit. They've been chasing it going on 3 decades, so let's hope this is the season.

Well said. We all know who they were focusing on in the draft, hard to just dismiss that important fact.

Pentagruel · Dec 30, 2021

It’s difficult being a good GM.

On the one hand, I think Jerry has put together a strong scouting and player evaluation team that has allowed the cowboys to really excel in the draft very well for some time now. He’s put the right people in charge that largely make good decisions. I think player acquisition in general has been good, even free agency which is often maligned on this forum. Although there have been plenty of misses in free agency and there is some room for improvement (not including this year), the cowboys have avoided the kind of disastrous cap destroying moves that the worst franchises tend to make.

On the other hand, Jerry has been unable to put together if a winning coaching staff for a very long time. I am hopeful that has changed this year obviously, but I think the Cowboys have had a good amount of talent in terms of players for a while now, but it hasn’t been utilized to it’s fullest potential.

I think Jerry has improved over the years quite a lot. It has yet to translate into real post season success however. I feel optimistic however that sooner rather then later we will see that. When it does I will certainly give him credit for it.

rambo2 · Dec 30, 2021

Jake said:
Some of y'all seem awfully concerned with making sure ol' Jerry gets his credit.

When he and sonny demonstrate they can win something their way I'll be happy to give them credit. They've been chasing it going on 3 decades, so let's hope this is the season.

They certainly have demonstrated that they can win something this season. Another thing that they did was build a roster deep enough to actually stash players so that they would have fresh legs at the end of the season and the playoffs. I think that you will see that as they destroy teams the next few weeks.

rambo2 · Dec 30, 2021

Bobhaze said:
Yes, the old man has had a good year. But as you said, I will withhold the “credit” until we win at least a divisional playoff game. And if so, he will deserve his craved “credit”.

And I will also give him credit for being rich enough to not have a boss that could fire him for the last 25 years. He’s the only GM (besides Brown in Cincy) that can keep his job despite results.

Put it this way…if any of us had the cash and time stand all day at a Vegas roulette table and roll it time after time after time after time after time after time after time….26 times and finally get a good spin…how much credit would be due?

They haven't done it yet, but this team looks historically good.

rambo2 · Dec 30, 2021

ArtClink said:
Until we win a divisional playoff game, Jones deserves all the credit for the worst 25 year stretch in our history. This worst stretch in Cowboys history is on the JJ since those years supersede any head coach, QB, or any other assistant coaches (i.e., JJ is the architect of the past 25 seasons).

If only Murray didn't fumble and Dez just caught the ball and didn't try to score on the play.

Jerry Jones and the office management deserves credit

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