Why Trevon Diggs' PFF Grade Doesn't Reflect His Interception Total

JBS said:

He’s not that good at it to be honest. The other guy is better. Aulas or whatever his name is. He actually knows what he’s talking about. This guy trolls w no substance.

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I think he gets most of his likes from himself

gp_cowpolk said:

I think he gets most of his likes from himself

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Hahahaha

MountaineerCowboy said:

Keep that energy next season.

That's all I ask.

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not me
Interceptions are great but he’s not going to get those every year
He’s not a complete CB yet if he’s giving up a ton of yards and can’t tackle to save his life
Good news is that he’s only in year 2 and likely to get better but tackling is a mindset thing and I’m not sure if that will change

CT Dal Fan said:

Exactly. PFF is a trying to overcomplicate things that don't need to be. Their rankings are flawed from the start because they are ranking players against each other regardless of system or what they are asked to do. Anybody that knows what a preschooler knows about football will tell you Diggs is having a fantastic season.

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Right on......i bet if you put those 130 CBs in one special draft, Diggs would be picked in top 5. Also just his 2nd year, he will get better.

MountaineerCowboy said:

Look at your post to like ratio and look at mine.

Who has the bad opinions?

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Ooooh, I wouldn't go to that metric to determine anything, bro. If like ratios and good opinions were related, I would have a ratio of 6498345874 to 1. All the ratios here prove is people agree with their own slanted takes. Lol.

Is it just me though or does anyone else have a tough time trying to remember more than 4-5 times where Diggs has actually been beaten, one on one, for a big play??? I’m not even trying to be a homer here- honest to God, I can’t recall more than a handful of times where Diggs was beaten by the guy he was going up against for a big play.

All of these “yards” these stat nerds speak of I feel were akin to that 80 yard bomb Mac Jones hit Kendrick Bourne on, aka a play that happened mostly due to an error/bad angle/bad read by the safety.

If I am incorrect, I will gladly admit it. But can anyone prove it??

AshyLarry06 said:

Is it just me though or does anyone else have a tough time trying to remember more than 4-5 times where Diggs has actually been beaten, one on one, for a big play??? I’m not even trying to be a homer here- honest to God, I can’t recall more than a handful of times where Diggs was beaten by the guy he was going up against for a big play.

All of these “yards” these stat nerds speak of I feel were akin to that 80 yard bomb Mac Jones hit Kendrick Bourne on, aka a play that happened mostly due to an error/bad angle/bad read by the safety.

If I am incorrect, I will gladly admit it. But can anyone prove it??

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You can bet that PFF is counting that Bourne TD against Diggs. It is part of the reason why you can’t put a lot of stock into their rankings.

MountaineerCowboy said:

Look at your post to like ratio and look at mine.

Who has the bad opinions?

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You

AshyLarry06 said:

Is it just me though or does anyone else have a tough time trying to remember more than 4-5 times where Diggs has actually been beaten, one on one, for a big play??? I’m not even trying to be a homer here- honest to God, I can’t recall more than a handful of times where Diggs was beaten by the guy he was going up against for a big play.

All of these “yards” these stat nerds speak of I feel were akin to that 80 yard bomb Mac Jones hit Kendrick Bourne on, aka a play that happened mostly due to an error/bad angle/bad read by the safety.

If I am incorrect, I will gladly admit it. But can anyone prove it??

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40 some odd yard play vs chargers - pretty sure it was Allen - this was zone but Diggs dinged on it

dj Moore had some catches on him. I forget who the wr was but there was a big play late - short pass - w a long run that went against Diggs - a lot of bs yards like this in garbage time goes against Diggs

same thing the following week vs nyg - toney had a bunch of garbage stats against him

the big Bourne td - really kazees fault but goes against Diggs

I think Tim Parker beat Diggs deep for a td

saints had a garbage time td - 5 yard pass turned 70 yard td bc Diggs doesn’t tackle - more garbage time yards


Can sims made a huge play for a td on a great congested catch - can’t do anything about that one. Coverage was fine

another deep ball last week beat diggs but Kazee blew that one too

this is the majority of his season

a few deep balls. Some beat him , others Kazee blew and Diggs dinged.

A lot of garbage yards

a lot of short passes for long gains bc he can’t tackle

notice how nobody beat Diggs and his coverage was absolutely blown - it’s literally never happened

also notice how none of these are plays he gabled on. Another lie about his game

his coverage isn’t perfect. He’s a young ascending player. He’s not Deion. He gets beat at times and he doesn’t tackle on short passes and they sometimes go for long gains

MountaineerCowboy said:

Work on that ratio and maybe people will take you more seriously.

You've been on this site since 2004 and I've been on here less than a year and I already have more likes than you.

Nobody likes someone that thinks they know it all. Your ratio is proof.

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This is kind of an absurd take. You're harping at a ratio while pointing out how long he has been here.

You kill your own argument without realizing it. Members who have been around a really long time will have a skewed ratio because many posts will likely have been made when "likes" weren't an option.

Please stop paying attention to PFF. They are a joke. Diggs without the 11 ints is still a good corner. With the ints he’s great. Most of the yards came in games where dallas was blowing teams out and gave up yards and points in garbage time. They have no context for their stats which makes them meaningless.

JBS said:

40 some odd yard play vs chargers - pretty sure it was Allen - this was zone but Diggs dinged on it

dj Moore had some catches on him. I forget who the wr was but there was a big play late - short pass - w a long run that went against Diggs - a lot of bs yards like this in garbage time goes against Diggs

same thing the following week vs nyg - toney had a bunch of garbage stats against him

the big Bourne td - really kazees fault but goes against Diggs

I think Tim Parker beat Diggs deep for a td

saints had a garbage time td - 5 yard pass turned 70 yard td bc Diggs doesn’t tackle - more garbage time yards


Can sims made a huge play for a td on a great congested catch - can’t do anything about that one. Coverage was fine

another deep ball last week beat diggs but Kazee blew that one too

this is the majority of his season

a few deep balls. Some beat him , others Kazee blew and Diggs dinged.

A lot of garbage yards

a lot of short passes for long gains bc he can’t tackle

notice how nobody beat Diggs and his coverage was absolutely blown - it’s literally never happened

also notice how none of these are plays he gabled on. Another lie about his game

his coverage isn’t perfect. He’s a young ascending player. He’s not Deion. He gets beat at times and he doesn’t tackle on short passes and they sometimes go for long gains

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exactly. It all reads to me like a buncha short passes with a lot of YAC, bad safety play resulting in “yards against” for Diggs, and the occasional catch/big play given up (which happens to every corner in todays NFL, even Jalen Ramsey). IMHO, Trevon has been a top 3 corner in the league this year in both int’s (obv- he’s number 1 there) AND coverage. All those overblown PFF stats are just that- overblown and poorly reflective on Diggs’ actual performance. If you’ve watched Diggs this year, it’s apparent that he not only has gone up against the opposing #1 guy, but he more than not has shut them down, as much as a guy can be shut down in todays pass happy NFL.

gp_cowpolk said:

I think he gets most of his likes from himself

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Him and the negative nancies follow each other around and like each others posts ....... its pretty pathetic.

MountaineerCowboy said:

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-nfc-ea...trevon-diggs-interception-record-week-17-2021

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Their analysis is totally reasonable. It may be wrong, but it's reasonable.

Diggs gives you a tradeoff of picks vs. lots of passing yardage given up and poor run defense. I've noticed him avoiding contact often.

They've actually done the math on "Wins Above Replacement Value". Maybe their math is wrong. But most people criticizing their evaluation haven't even *considered the concept* of "Wins Above Replacement Value", let alone tried to make a calculation of their own.

From what they say, they may have a problem with their methodology. Seems like they want to dismiss some of the INTs as easy or lucky. Maybe they were. But dismissing such plays is inconsistent with a data driven WARW approach. And being *in position* to make the easy play is most of the trick, and as we've seen over the years, those "easy picks" just aren't that easy for all professional players to catch. And are they similarly dismissing getting beat by a well thrown ball? And getting them to throw at you is much of the trick to getting INTs. It's a tradeoff.

Life is full of tradeoffs. Diggs presents an interesting case study in player evaluation. Most INTs, Most Yardage. What's really the value tradeoff? I don't know. And neither do you.

All I know is we are better off him giving up yards and catches but changing the tide of games with his INTs (and TDs) than we were with Byron Jones and no one throwing at him.

There was a time when eyes didn't lie. My eyes don't lie and my eyes says, he's a corner you don't really want to test too often.

His PFF grade really isnt that difficult to understand. Looking only at his coverage grade he is rated as top 3rd of the league. It's mostly his grade against the run (30.9) that brings down his overall grade so much.

Being a #30-40 type cover guy with off the chart ball skills and poor against the run is very fair to Diggs season.

I will say I've noticed he has taken his cover game up a notch the past few games, but he certainly has been vulnerable at times as well.

Just looking at where Diggs ranks overall with PFF doesnt tell the whole story. Plus we need to keep in mind that Diggs is a unique player, while PFF is a simple scoring system. You will have outliers that dont fit well inside the PFF box. They seem to get it right more often than not, but this is just one tool for us to use.

Let me put it this way......which player would you rather have, Byron Jones or Diggs? I asked couple of posters this question in another thread and they couldn't answer. We all know Byron could pretty much shut a WR down but can't buy an interception vs Diggs gets you a boatload of picks but give a ton of yards.

D4KADON said:

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we are trying to justify an insanely stupid ranking

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OK , so has he not given up tons of yards? I’m confused. Not really, just pretending I am.

Imagine how good our defense would be if we had the courage to cut Diggs.