It All Leads Back to the Cowboys Philosophy of Acquiring QB Talent

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America's Cowboy said:
So you don't like Dak? You wish you could trade him?

Sounds like another typical Dak rant thread that has infested this forum.

I will agree with you though that this team needs to draft several QBs every 4-5 years to compete with each other.
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No team uses a high pick on a QB when they have a QB unless they are about to have to pay him or want to upgrade him
Picks are too valuable to use on a guy you project as a backup
Very few teams have two quality QB and there is a reason. There aren’t enough of them to go around
Hitting on a QB out of the first round is rare
No matter how fans feel about Dak there are only a few better so that alone should tell folks throwing a top 3 round pick at one every few years is most likely wasted picks
 
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conner01 said:
No team uses a high pick on a QB when they have a QB unless they are about to have to pay him or want to upgrade him
Picks are too valuable to use on a guy you project as a backup
Very few teams have two quality QB and there is a reason. There aren’t enough of them to go around
Hitting on a QB out of the first round is rare
No matter how fans feel about Dak there are only a few better so that alone should tell folks throwing a top 3 round pick at one every few years is most likely wasted picks
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@plasticman Which QBs did the Patriots draft when they had Brady? Jimmy G and who else? I don’t remember. Stidham?

Which QB should the Cowboys have taken instead of Diggs to sit the bench?

Which QB should the Cowboys have taken instead of Gallimore to sit the bench?

Should the Cowboys have taken Jordan Love over Lamb last year?

Should the Cowboys have taken Fields or Mac Jones over Parsons? Trask over Joseph?

It takes about two years to develop a QB who gets all the practice and game reps. Longer for players getting only backup reps. 1st round picks are under contract for 4 years, maybe 5 if you pay top ten buck for the 5th year. 2nd and 3rd Round picks are under contract for 4 years.

Look at the backup QBs for every team. Very few good ones. Ravens probably have the best in Huntley and the Ravens got him by pure luck. UFA.
 
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Its really weird, but the Joneses want to prove to the league that they outsmart everyone finding franchise QBs without investing premium picks.

If they once found their guy they stick with him no matter what.

Dak hasnt really improved since his rookie year. He even regressed at some stuff.

But why bother? No competition + 40 Million $ a year doesnt motivate anyone to do more.

In the modern day NFL with salary cap its almost impossible to build a SB winning team without an elite QB.

Heck look at the last 20 years. Tom Brady 6x, Big Ben, Peyton Manning 2x, Eli Manning 2x, Russell Wilson, Pat Mahomes, Joe Flacco, Nick Foles

The only exceptions here are Joe Flacco who was in his prime 2012 and more than serviceable and had that insane Defense and the Eagles Run with Nick Foles playing on MVP Level in the Playoffs.

Eli Manning was one of the better QBs in the league when they won their titles and had an elite Defense too.

I mean you dont need to spend a 1st on a guy that might not start throughout his rookie deal but we dont even bring in 3-4th Round Picks every now and than. Its either 6-7th Rounders or Free Agents.
 
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Slick said:
Romo never had a backup that pushed him, and neither does Dak.

Great post OP.
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really Push? that the answer a backup will make dak better? LMAO

theres only like 16 decent starting qbs for 32 teams and somehow you also want teams to find backup to be so good he pushes the stater; Unrealistic and shame blaming is not working. Daks top 10 so as much as it pains you, we could do a lot worse.

qbs not the issue..ok. Mahomes has played like this all year when his OL and run game fail him, his defense had an off game they LOSE more then they won in this particular games..so many opinions here point in the wrong place. Its NOT DAK. hes not perfect but there not enough qb talent to have a qb as good as your starter unless your starter is already just average. Thats why it appears other teams have better backups, um their staters arent much Better. Got i?. Watch football much?

its a team game and our OL, run game , and OC are far more the issue then Dak is..Im not super dak fanatic i like him but more of Romo fan, so im unbiased here, i dint want Jerry to pay dak that big of a deal but now that its happened you just move on , cant change that...daks not the issue. Let it go. he like many qbs have off games small stretches of bad play.it happens to all of them, ALL!

they all need soem resemblance of a team to help them be successful.

you trig to tell me that Roger12, and try did this on their own.. ******! they had HOF players all over the team and coaching, COACHING.

yes Troy was actually very average regular season qb not sure hes better then dak or romo IMHO..i know controversial But none of our HOF qbs did anything on their own. they had some of the best overall teams and coaching staffs on the planet. proof look at the HOF classes from their era..its fuill of Cowboys and coaching legends. Let me know the coaching legends and hof players Romo and dak play with?

when the OL and run game is doing well the qbs look better, ask troy he was not the team, Emmitt was, that OL was, that coaching staff was, that defense was..

we are 11-5 and area struggling but coming to blame dak is ridiculous. his team is struggling with him , his coaches are struggling ..we need to get it turned around and fast but just stop the nonsense.
 
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Carter said:
Its really weird, but the Joneses want to prove to the league that they outsmart everyone finding franchise QBs without investing premium picks.

If they once found their guy they stick with him no matter what.

Dak hasnt really improved since his rookie year. He even regressed at some stuff.

But why bother? No competition + 40 Million $ a year doesnt motivate anyone to do more.

In the modern day NFL with salary cap its almost impossible to build a SB winning team without an elite QB.

Heck look at the last 20 years. Tom Brady 6x, Big Ben, Peyton Manning 2x, Eli Manning 2x, Russell Wilson, Pat Mahomes, Joe Flacco, Nick Foles

The only exceptions here are Joe Flacco who was in his prime 2012 and more than serviceable and had that insane Defense and the Eagles Run with Nick Foles playing on MVP Level in the Playoffs.

Eli Manning was one of the better QBs in the league when they won their titles and had an elite Defense too.

I mean you dont need to spend a 1st on a guy that might not start throughout his rookie deal but we dont even bring in 3-4th Round Picks every now and than. Its either 6-7th Rounders or Free Agents.
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Nice post.
 

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ka0tik said:
they need to start drafting one bc in four years we might need one.
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Have you seen the college QBs this year? None are first round worthy. Maybe not even second round worthy. Career backup is their destiny and there are many other teams desperate for a QB that will give up the draft picks necessary to get to one that they think might be good. This is not the year to draft a QB. Other options?
 
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Forneymike said:
Have you seen the college QBs this year? None are first round worthy. Maybe not even second round worthy. Career backup is their destiny and there are many other teams desperate for a QB that will give up the draft picks necessary to get to one that they think might be good. This is not the year to draft a QB. Other options?
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have you seen the NFL starters from 16-32 lmao not great either are they..i guess we should dial up[ 1-800 HOF qb and super backup.:muttley::lmao2:
sad clueless fan base we have!:popcorn::espn:
 
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DB_Cooper said:
Would Aikman have been Aikman without Steve Walsh? I often wonder.
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Yeah, he would've been. Anywhere he went.
I see that Love over in Green Bay is "really" pushing Rodgers to do better. As well as in TB, wow, that backup sure lit a fire under Tom Brady.. Hhahaha.. How ridiculous...

Dak is what he is. He is an average QB that needs everything in his favor to succeed.
 

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plasticman said:
My problem with Jerry Jones is that he finds a quarterback with the talent to start and he's done.

Since Jimmy's departure 29 years ago, the Cowboys have drafted 1 quarterback in the top three rounds of the NFL draft. Jerry has been forced to overpay his starting quarterbacks because he chooses to have zero other options at the position.

If the Cowboys had followed a simple process of drafting one quarterback in the top three rounds every three years he wouldn't have been forced to pay Dak a HOF/SB MVP contract. He would have created a level of competition that enhanced the performance at that position and he quite possibly would have had future excellent trade value.

Instead, he finds one potential starter and checks off the position for the next ten seasons. He fills the backup role with some marginal performer with limited skills and no future potential.

Now with a 17 game regular season schedule the need for additional options at QB become even more critical. So long as one quarterback is still in the 4 year rookie contract window, it isn't necessary to push a fifth of the cap in one direction. I can see doing this with a guy that took the team to a championship. Otherwise, Jerry is just paying for unrealized potential.

From 1993 to 2021 there have been 143 quarterbacks drafted in the top three rounds, an average of 4.5 quarterbacks per team and the Cowboys have drafted one..
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In defense of the Joneses if Romo or Dak had a quality backup people would be screaming for their jobs after a loss. Dak would after a bad pass.:laugh::facepalm::facepalm:
 
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Belichick has drafted a few QB's during the Brady reign,

The Chiefs drafted a QB while they had a former #1 overall pick coming off a career year. The starter even improved the next season with another career year and the Chiefs decided to replace him with the rook they drafted the year prior.

A long time ago in a different era but remember when Walsh brought in Young to compete with Montana?
 

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IMO the problem is that Dallas drafts someone, they anoint them based on a few good games against crappy teams in the regular season and then coddle and overpay them.

Personally, I think that both Dak and Romo could have and would have been better QB's in an environment with more accountability and less butt kissing.
 
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MountaineerCowboy said:
Romo was undrafted and Dak was a 4th round pick.

Jerry thinks he's found the next Tom Brady whenever these guys exceeds their pre draft expectations. So he goes all in on them.
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Yep, so true. I mentioned in my earlier post how "lucky" it was to even getting these 2 guys. I also remember Quincy was Jerry's Michael Vick, lol.

While I tend to think there is a degree of luck involved, what with how many 1st rounders don't pan out, I also believe the Cowboys drafting, scouting, developing OR philosophy on this most important position could be improved.

But ultimately I can see both the OP's side to this argument and the opposing rebuttals as having merit.

So there may not be one really foolproof method to acquiring a true franchise guy as many past excellent to HOF type QBs have had the entire mix of backgrounds before playing in the NFL.

jmo
 

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No matter how bad QB 1 plays, he knows he’ll always start unless injured. No need to improve. Ever.
 

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The other issue is that college football coaches are paid to win football games, not create NFL qb’s.

Drafts are a crap shoot.
 

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plasticman said:
My problem with Jerry Jones is that he finds a quarterback with the talent to start and he's done.

Since Jimmy's departure 29 years ago, the Cowboys have drafted 1 quarterback in the top three rounds of the NFL draft. Jerry has been forced to overpay his starting quarterbacks because he chooses to have zero other options at the position.

If the Cowboys had followed a simple process of drafting one quarterback in the top three rounds every three years he wouldn't have been forced to pay Dak a HOF/SB MVP contract. He would have created a level of competition that enhanced the performance at that position and he quite possibly would have had future excellent trade value.

Instead, he finds one potential starter and checks off the position for the next ten seasons. He fills the backup role with some marginal performer with limited skills and no future potential.

Now with a 17 game regular season schedule the need for additional options at QB become even more critical. So long as one quarterback is still in the 4 year rookie contract window, it isn't necessary to push a fifth of the cap in one direction. I can see doing this with a guy that took the team to a championship. Otherwise, Jerry is just paying for unrealized potential.

From 1993 to 2021 there have been 143 quarterbacks drafted in the top three rounds, an average of 4.5 quarterbacks per team and the Cowboys have drafted one..
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btw, that's not a HOF, SB MVP contract. its NFL top 10 QB contract. in two years, that contract value will not be in top 10....its the way the NFL works. what the fans put value on is different than what the market does.


now, onto more important less spiteful stuff....I agree that we haven't invested draft capital into the QB position. it seemed we had gotten lucky at times. we meandered for a few years, signed a few older FAs after Aikman and lucked into Romo. seemingly we Lucked into Dak, but lately that shine has been off.

secondly, how many teams do exactly deploy that strategy? drafting a QB in first three rounds every three years?

How many teams have intense compeition at QB positions? so what you describe is not reality of NFL. it doesn't happen regularly....

this doesn't mean I am opposed to drafting a QB in first three rounds next year.

and what you basically described is failure of a GM. we can make it about Dak, but Dak will go as did Romo. and then what? its been the same story with this team for 25+ years. that falls on the GM. for years folks on this board complained about Romo and there were Romo supporters and Romo Haters and then it turned into Dak supporters and Dak haters. and what next?

as long as Jerry is the GM, this is as good as this team will be. every 4 or 5 years, make a run. seem like the team. then falter, and be one and done or maybe at most win a playoff game.. its the same cycle over and over and over and over and over again.
 
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