It All Leads Back to the Cowboys Philosophy of Acquiring QB Talent

Einstein · Jan 4, 2022

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
The Browns done it for years on top of years. And is worked out great for them. They've won 3 of the last four Super Bowls. Well that's according to @plasticman.

Similar to the Jets... Darnold got his 2 SB rings and now it's Zack's turn, and in another year or so onto the next top 5 guy to lead you to more...

Irvin88_4life · Jan 4, 2022

America's Cowboy said:
So you don't like Dak? You wish you could trade him?

Sounds like another typical Dak rant thread that has infested this forum.

I will agree with you though that this team needs to draft several QBs every 4-5 years to compete with each other.

Some on here say that Rush is better and should start over Dak....... it's no use trying to give facts cause it's nothing to do with actual QB talent. It's about the dislike of Dak on a personal level and everybody is better than Dak. Just like they said Dalton was and we see how that ended up

DB_Cooper · Jan 4, 2022

NotForLong said:
I believe Beuerlien pushed Aikman . . . I know Steve showed Aikman how to get the Ball to Irvin . . . up until that point Aikman was only throwing to Novachek

I agree. Beuerline pushed Aikman. The team took a big step forward when he was the QB. Beuerline beating the Harbaugh lead Bears in the Wildcard game is still one of my favorite Cowboys moments. Was Novecheck there when Walsh was?

Section446 · Jan 4, 2022

Really good post.

Vanilla2 · Jan 4, 2022

Find me a team that drafts a qb to compete regularly with their starter.

zeke21 · Jan 4, 2022

Vanilla2 said:
Find me a team that drafts a qb to compete regularly with their starter.

Well all teams draft qbs to compete with their starter.. they just may not like their starter.

Every single team lines up with a starting QB.. every week. SO...

I think what you are trying to say is that all teams who think they have found their 'guy' don't draft QBs to compete. And that then comes back to who makes the assessemnt of when you have found your 'guy'.

See my earlier point.. Chiefs had a high performing QB but kept looking.. TB had Winston - the statistically best QB in the league.. but kept looking.. Ravens had Flacco but started looking. Pittsburgh had Ben but kept looking.

I think it is wrong that Dak has NEVER had to compete for his job. It is wrong and it has allowed this travesty to extend for 6 years. We don't know what another decent QB would like like in this team because we didn't have that option.

America's Cowboy · Jan 4, 2022

Irvin88_4life said:
Some on here say that Rush is better and should start over Dak....... it's no use trying to give facts cause it's nothing to do with actual QB talent. It's about the dislike of Dak on a personal level and everybody is better than Dak. Just like they said Dalton was and we see how that ended up

This place is getting taken over by personally vindictive and crazy, nonsensical remarks. Childish. It's no longer a place to discuss common sense issues about our Cowboys.

Irvin88_4life · Jan 4, 2022

America's Cowboy said:
This place is getting taken over by personally vindictive and crazy, nonsensical remarks. Childish. It's no longer a place to discuss common sense issues about our Cowboys.

Great post and absolutely right

VaqueroTD · Jan 4, 2022

plasticman said:
My problem with Jerry Jones is that he finds a quarterback with the talent to start and he's done.

Since Jimmy's departure 29 years ago, the Cowboys have drafted 1 quarterback in the top three rounds of the NFL draft. Jerry has been forced to overpay his starting quarterbacks because he chooses to have zero other options at the position.

If the Cowboys had followed a simple process of drafting one quarterback in the top three rounds every three years he wouldn't have been forced to pay Dak a HOF/SB MVP contract. He would have created a level of competition that enhanced the performance at that position and he quite possibly would have had future excellent trade value.

Instead, he finds one potential starter and checks off the position for the next ten seasons. He fills the backup role with some marginal performer with limited skills and no future potential.

Now with a 17 game regular season schedule the need for additional options at QB become even more critical. So long as one quarterback is still in the 4 year rookie contract window, it isn't necessary to push a fifth of the cap in one direction. I can see doing this with a guy that took the team to a championship. Otherwise, Jerry is just paying for unrealized potential.

From 1993 to 2021 there have been 143 quarterbacks drafted in the top three rounds, an average of 4.5 quarterbacks per team and the Cowboys have drafted one..

I think about this a lot too, and I’m not sure it’s fair to blame the GM on this one.

Let’s consider who are truly the franchise quarterbacks who have proven they can take the team with them over the last 20 years, and/or are just damn good clutch performers in the playoffs?

Rodgers - 1st
Peyton - 1st
Big Ben - 1st
Mahomes - 1st
Eli - 1st
Brees - 2nd
Russell Wilson - 3rd
Brady - 7th
Kurt Warner - Undrafted

I notice you use the first three rounds in your example, but I think you still need to stick with the first round. As you can see on the list above, if you don’t find that primetime quarterback in the first round, you have just as good of odds in the second round as you do in the seventh round. Yes, I didn’t include Nick Foles on purpose. Doesn’t have the multiple big game appearances OR a decade of franchise dominance like everyone else on this list. Even looking at some of the youngest stud quarterbacks who haven’t had a chance to do much in the playoffs like Joe Burrow or Justin Herbert, they’re first rounders.

I also don’t think it’s fair to blame Jerry on this one because both Romo and Dak were never drafted to be THE starter. Compared to Aikman his rookie year or even Quincy Carter the year he was the second round pick, you knew they were going to PLAY. They were just insurance, hoping on better depth, and being realistic about the current quarterback situation. Both were accidental starters. Romo never would’ve even made the roster if not for Quincy Carter being cut. Dak never would’ve started if Romo hadn’t been hurt again. But give credit to both of them because when allowed to play, they made the most of it.

I think there is a real danger in assuming low draft picks will be like a Tom Brady and grow into an All Pro, because it rarely happens. It’s common to see the average physical talent or mechanics quarterback eventually take a team somewhere late in their career, but I think it can be a trap contract for many teams early in the players life. Most quarterbacks have problems with learning NFL defenses, getting used to the speed, getting used to the pressure and the big stage, or get hurt, which is why I think you’re always safer with the guy who’s already shown he has an ungodly arm or physical talent that made him worth that first round pick.

CT Dal Fan · Jan 4, 2022

Well look around the NFL right now and find great backup QB's. I'd wager less than half the 32 teams have somebody they'd trust to win a game.

This is why there are so many rules in place to protect QB's. It's hard to find a quality starter. It's even harder to find a quality backup. And with the salary cap and limited draft picks, good luck convincing the fan base it's a good idea to use a high pick on a guy that will probably never see the field.

No matter how you feel about Dak, even he was picked 135th because the Cowboys thought he'd be a good backup for Tony Romo.

plasticman · Jan 4, 2022

America's Cowboy said:
So you don't like Dak? You wish you could trade him?

Sounds like another typical Dak rant thread that has infested this forum.

I will agree with you though that this team needs to draft several QBs every 4-5 years to compete with each other.

I really like Dak but he is human. As much as anyone might try to convince you, an athlete can push himself to a point but that is never enough.

In order to be truly successful an athlete must be pushed to the point to where he is forced to give more than he thought possible. It is only through the adversity of coaching and competition that athletes learn about the extra effort inside of them that they never knew existed.

Jerry has always made things far too comfortable for his perceived stars.

America's Cowboy · Jan 4, 2022

plasticman said:
I really like Dak but he is human. As much as anyone might try to convince you, an athlete can push himself to a point but that is never enough.

In order to be truly successful an athlete must be pushed to the point to where he is forced to give more than he thought possible. It is only through the adversity of coaching and competition that athletes learn about the extra effort inside of them that they never knew existed.

Jerry has always made things far too comfortable for his perceived stars.

I agree with any QB competition at anytime for any Cowboys QB, but you're wrong if you truly believe Dak is the problem currently with this team.

America's Cowboy · Jan 4, 2022

CT Dal Fan said:
Well look around the NFL right now and find great backup QB's. I'd wager less than half the 32 teams have somebody they'd trust to win a game.

This is why there are so many rules in place to protect QB's. It's hard to find a quality starter. It's even harder to find a quality backup. And with the salary cap and limited draft picks, good luck convincing the fan base it's a good idea to use a high pick on a guy that will probably never see the field.

No matter how you feel about Dak, even he was picked 135th because the Cowboys thought he'd be a good backup for Tony Romo.

Vanilla2 · Jan 4, 2022

zeke21 said:
Well all teams draft qbs to compete with their starter.. they just may not like their starter.

Every single team lines up with a starting QB.. every week. SO...

I think what you are trying to say is that all teams who think they have found their 'guy' don't draft QBs to compete. And that then comes back to who makes the assessemnt of when you have found your 'guy'.

See my earlier point.. Chiefs had a high performing QB but kept looking.. TB had Winston - the statistically best QB in the league.. but kept looking.. Ravens had Flacco but started looking. Pittsburgh had Ben but kept looking.

I think it is wrong that Dak has NEVER had to compete for his job. It is wrong and it has allowed this travesty to extend for 6 years. We don't know what another decent QB would like like in this team because we didn't have that option.

All the teams you mentioned didn’t pick competitors for young guys or had a hall of famer fall into their lap

IceStar-D7 · Jan 4, 2022

You guys are missing the ball. Quarterbacks do matter but without good coaching what does it matter? Staubach and Aikman. What did they have that none of our other quarterbacks after them had. Great coaching. So you guys can continue the Dak talk for the next 3 years. But without good coaching nobody but maybe Rodgers would make a difference in Dallas.

plasticman · Jan 4, 2022

CT Dal Fan said:
Well look around the NFL right now and find great backup QB's. I'd wager less than half the 32 teams have somebody they'd trust to win a game.

This is why there are so many rules in place to protect QB's. It's hard to find a quality starter. It's even harder to find a quality backup. And with the salary cap and limited draft picks, good luck convincing the fan base it's a good idea to use a high pick on a guy that will probably never see the field.

No matter how you feel about Dak, even he was picked 135th because the Cowboys thought he'd be a good backup for Tony Romo.

Not every team. Let's not set the bar at every other team.

There are a few teams that can win with more than one quarterback and I'm not talking about a team rallying behind an overachiever.

The 49ers use two quarterbacks. The Cardinals have Colt McCoy. I'm not saying that they should share starts, One will be the backup but with the potential to win games. One of them is always going to have three or less years of experience for the Cowboys.

Suppose the Cowboys draft a QB in the 2nd round next season. Now suppose that he begins showing the potential to be a starter after a few years. When Dak's contract is over the Cowboys aren't forced to do anything rash. They can let Dak check free agency or at the very least obtain a more reasonable contract.

TwoCentPlain · Jan 4, 2022

NotForLong said:
We still haven't seen Love. . . and believe me . . . sitting is the best thing for him. . . I know "Draft Capital" and 1st Rd contracts . . . but the Packers have a talented Backup that is learning from a legend and Love is not developing any bad Habits by being thrown into the fire

We saw him one game this year. He was awful. Looked as bad as Ben DiNucci in his first game last year.

IceStar-D7 · Jan 4, 2022

LMAO...Dallas has never drafted good when it comes to quarterbacks. They were handed Aikman. High draft pick. And had to wait for Staubach to leave the Navy. Staubach wasn't in the Navy we would of never gotten him. Minus those two you have Danny White, Romo and Dak.

TheDude · Jan 4, 2022

cffl2323 said:
And who was that player that finally got us to take the plunge and take a QB early? Who oozed such skills and promise that even Jerry resisted the urge to take a TE in the second round????

Quincy ****** Carter, that's who. One highly drafted QB in the last three decades, and it's him. What a shocker we haven't had any success.

2nd round

rambo2 · Jan 4, 2022

Pessimist_cowboy said:
It’s true but don’t get it mixed up. Jerry didn’t want to pay Dak. It was Stephen who wanted Dak. The Cowboys SHOULD draft a QB this year. Dak has 3 years left on his deal and theres a potential out after 2023. Maybe the guy they draft will be ready to take over in 2024.

Name a qb that they should draft this year. I hate to tell you, but there are not any that appear to be very good.

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