Dolphins fire HC Flores

Stash · Jan 10, 2022

Risen Star said:
If I wanted Herbert and was forced into coaching Tua I'd be pretty arrogant about it too.

Where are the Dolphins right now with Herbert?

khiladi · Jan 10, 2022

TexasFrog said:
I don’t get this. I just read the guy ran a QB sneak on his own 4 yard line on 3rd and 9 down 3-0 in the 2nd. That’s a ball of quit right there. You don’t possess, at 4-12, any other plays to run to get a 1st? Just set up the punt. Maras make Jones family look genius.

I mean they hired Garrett as well. What else is there to say?

John813 · Jan 10, 2022

stasheroo said:
I see everything needed for success in Miami right now except the quarterback. Flores finally had the defense playing well and now they decided to start over. A fish stinks from the head and Ross is the head problem in Miami.

Yea, he had the defense righted but he couldn't figure out the Bills offense worth a damn.

Dolphins main issues are Griers inability to draft talent and Ross being too overbearing on FO decisions on personnel.
Their offensive line has been a dumpster fire since the Philbin debacle with Richie Incognito/Martin.
They seem to have "hit" on Waddle and Gesicki is a good receiving TE.

But to Tua's defense, sort of, until they got Duke Johnson off the PS they lacked a run game and a competent line. I think if Tua was healthy this year they could of squeaked into the playoffs. I think with Brissett they were 1-5 or something to that affect and he was bad. Like failed eye/advanced stats.

Majic · Jan 10, 2022

One of the most surprising firings I've seen.

Ross is the complete opposite of Jerry.

Risen Star · Jan 10, 2022

Majic said:
One of the most surprising firings I've seen.

Ross is the complete opposite of Jerry.

Well that may be true but now's not the time for compliments. This was a mistake.

conner01 · Jan 10, 2022

fivetwos said:
I just remembered that the Dolphins owner is a Michigan guy and those two are tight.

Doenst matter unless Tua is the guy, which leaves a lot to be desired at this point.

Someone is going to get one heckuva DC in Flores.

Maybe blasphemy around here but I'd hire him as HC before Quinn.

He did a great job in Miami and in no way deserved to be fired.

Any GM who took an often injured Tua over Herbert should have been the first one fired
But I was reading rumors about harbaugh wanting back in NFL and wasn’t aware of the relationship with Fins owner
But really makes sense
Flores has done a good job with what he had to work with

TwoCentPlain · Jan 10, 2022

BrAinPaiNt said:
What is the deal with the Dolphins. A few years ago they have a fire sale and now they fire the HC before he can even replenish the roster completely?
Kind of hard to win in that kind of situation.

Flores was involved in the decision to take Tua over Herbert and also to trade up for Waddle. You want to keep anyone associated with those two idiot choices?

JustChip · Jan 10, 2022

JoeKing said:
That is a mistake.

Bill Belichik part deaux? Not saying Flores is Belichik by any stretch if the imagination, but the the situation could be similar to BB in Cleveland. Bill had that franchise going in the right direction and was fired.

dckid · Jan 10, 2022

Risen Star said:
You deserve to get McCarthy splashed and 5 counted.

I meant next year. Lol

RonnieT24 · Jan 10, 2022

Dumb move by the Phish. Flores got that team back in the playoff hunt after the bad start. Including losing his QB for several games.. He will get another job.. He's too good a coach to stay unemployed for long..

atlantacowboy · Jan 10, 2022

ninja said:
Flores was involved in the decision to take Tua over Herbert and also to trade up for Waddle. You want to keep anyone associated with those two idiot choices?

Waddle was a great choice. He just broke the rookie catches record. Tua over Herbert is all hindsight. The history of tall QBs in the NFL is not good.

BrAinPaiNt · Jan 10, 2022

ninja said:
Flores was involved in the decision to take Tua over Herbert and also to trade up for Waddle. You want to keep anyone associated with those two idiot choices?

He had a winning record the year before and turned around a 1-7 team to come back to a 7 game win streak. The guy is a good coach. Just because he was involved does not mean he was the one that had final say.

From what is starting to come out it was because there was issues between him and the GM.

It is also coming out that the owner is a major donor to michigan and wants to bring in J Harbaugh on, who knows if that is true.

I still say you have a team that gets rid of all of its good players. A team that is clearly in rebuild mode, a team that has made strides and then you fire your HC. More to that than just the HC record IMO.

Floatyworm · Jan 10, 2022

Risen Star said:
This one is surprising.

Not really....Passing on Herbert is where it all started to go wrong.

Loso86 · Jan 10, 2022

BrAinPaiNt said:
What is the deal with the Dolphins. A few years ago they have a fire sale and now they fire the HC before he can even replenish the roster completely?
Kind of hard to win in that kind of situation.

That's why no one wants to really coach there.

John813 · Jan 10, 2022

ninja said:
Flores was involved in the decision to take Tua over Herbert and also to trade up for Waddle. You want to keep anyone associated with those two idiot choices?

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...d-to-draft-justin-herbert-over-tua-tagovailoa

I mean it does make sense. Last year he would pull Tua at the first sign of struggling. Then came the rumors of Watson, even with his legal issues.

It's La-Canfora but he also nailed this down before the start of the season

Brian Flores
If things go poorly in Miami – and a regression in 2020 shouldn't shock anyone – I believe Flores would actually win a power struggle if it comes to that. Whether or not Tua becomes a thing or not will have ramifications for those involved in selecting him. Constantly running out coaches and players who were just selected the previous year and put in critical positions is an unusual way of breeding chemistry and cohesion and creating that other played-out C-word (culture). There are a lot of rumblings around the industry about all not being well in Miami (which has pretty much been the norm for a few decades now), and people are already keeping a close eye down there.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...mccarthy-among-nine-coaches-feeling-the-heat/

Remember, Minkah was drafted the year prior and was looking good under Gase.
Flores comes in and wants to play him everywhere except at safety. He wants out, then becomes an All-pro in Pitt. Dolphins use that draft pick on a bust in Austin Chaz Green Jackson.

Floatyworm · Jan 10, 2022

Risen Star said:
And now maybe they lose out on a real QB.

I wouldn't touch Watson....he's a toxic time bomb.

BourbonBalz · Jan 10, 2022

Romo_To_Dez said:
Do they have Harbaugh already hired and signed? Because if not this is going to look like a bad, impulsive move if Harbaugh decides to stay with Michigan and they just fired one of the better now free coaching options in the NFL. Also Harbaugh's first time in the NFL didn't go too well, that's why he went back to college. lol

It didn’t end well but he did take a team to the Super Bowl.

JustChip · Jan 10, 2022

khiladi said:
Well if you draft Tua over Herbert, you should have been fired immediately…

Hindsight is 20/20. There are no guarantees. Tua cemented his draft status coming in at half and rallying Alabama to a Championship. But the red flag to me was the reverse happened the following year. I don’t want to see that on my QB prospect’s resume. I felt the same with Vinny “I never saw an INT I wouldn’t throw” Testaverde after he threw 5 picks in the Fiesta Bowl.

Stash · Jan 10, 2022

John813 said:
Yea, he had the defense righted but he couldn't figure out the Bills offense worth a damn.

Dolphins main issues are Griers inability to draft talent and Ross being too overbearing on FO decisions on personnel.
Their offensive line has been a dumpster fire since the Philbin debacle with Richie Incognito/Martin.
They seem to have "hit" on Waddle and Gesicki is a good receiving TE.

But to Tua's defense, sort of, until they got Duke Johnson off the PS they lacked a run game and a competent line. I think if Tua was healthy this year they could of squeaked into the playoffs. I think with Brissett they were 1-5 or something to that affect and he was bad. Like failed eye/advanced stats.

Brissett certainly isn’t the answer, but that doesn’t make Tua good.

quickccc · Jan 10, 2022

BrAinPaiNt said:
What is the deal with the Dolphins. A few years ago they have a fire sale and now they fire the HC before he can even replenish the roster completely?
Kind of hard to win in that kind of situation.

- Fins had sumthin' like an 8 game win streak under Flores, and even beat the nemesis Belichick rival in the finale.
and that's a team that still has a very questionable starting QB situation - and the lead team in acquiring Watson per trade rumors.

- That just tells me either their front office is dysfunctional incompetent ..or they really have a must-have brainiac HC in mind.
A blockbuster HC hiring that they really believe will reset the fan base and market for them.

- Otherwise this firing would not make sense. And the rumor was the reason why Watson placed Fins at the head of the trade list was
because of the attraction to Flores as HC.

:thumbdown:

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