Dak Prescott and Aaron Rogers

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Aaron Rodgers also doesn’t play in a dome in Lambeau and also has to play in places like Soldier Field when it’s windy and sub-freezing temperatures in December year in and out. So even when they play ‘bad teams’ in their ‘own division’ and at home, AR has to deal with harsher outdoor elements that affect, as far this argument goes, statistical performances.

As far as actual QB play, taking into account personnel and type of offense they play and the throws they make, that’s a whole different story, because they aren’t even in the same league. Dak isn’t even in the same league as multiple QBs he exceeded as far as this ‘stat thread’ is concerned.

Dak is basically a system QB that has been in it for 6 years that notches big numbers when Moore is basically dictating the terms to the defense and they start fast.

Herbert didn’t even throw for over 60% last game, but the things he didn’t on the field, Dak couldn’t do in his wildest dreams, including going 6 for 7 on fourth down, and a strike for a TD between 2 defenders that was like 20 yards to tie the game. That offense uses a lot of short passing routes instead of running and Herbert has to go through multiple progressions often. Dak would look like a complete joke in it.

So, did Stafford lose this last game for the Rams?
 

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So, did Stafford lose this last game for the Rams?

Well, that last throw looked like a fix to me, but if it wasn’t yeah. Not sure what your point is though. It still doesn’t excuse this QB and Dak would look bad in that offense to, considering how much McVay goes downfield.
 

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So besides rushing yards, Dak's best season is slightly better than Wilson's? Statistically that is. We can't really compare QBs to eachother like we do pitchers.
There is no way to compare QBs unless you put them on the same team. Rodgers makes his 2nd and 3rd string WR look good. His consistent ability to use all the players makes it hard to take any one guy away. I can guarantee that Zeke would look like a different player if Rodgers were in Dallas.
 

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Well, that last throw looked like a fix to me, but if it wasn’t yeah. Not sure what your point is though. It still doesn’t excuse this QB and Dak would look bad in that offense to, considering how much McVay goes downfield.
There were multiple bad throws from the 4th quarter through the over time. Nothing to do with a Dak Prescott comparison.
 

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As Jimmy Johnson (and Bill Parcells) would say who cares. The Cowboys are 12-5 and number 3 seed in the playoffs all the rest is window dressing.
 

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There is no way to compare QBs unless you put them on the same team. Rodgers makes his 2nd and 3rd string WR look good. His consistent ability to use all the players makes it hard to take any one guy away. I can guarantee that Zeke would look like a different player if Rodgers were in Dallas.

I totally agree. The QBs situation plays a big role too. Goroppolo is nowhere near as good as rodgers, yet the 49ers easily dispatched the Packers back in 2019. When comparing say, pitchers, the situation around them really doesn't affect their ERA all that much.
 

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I totally agree. The QBs situation plays a big role too. Goroppolo is nowhere near as good as rodgers, yet the 49ers easily dispatched the Packers back in 2019. When comparing say, pitchers. The situation around them really doesn't affect their ERA all that much.
Jimmy G threw 6 passes that game.

Yes, the 49ers won the NFC Championship game with their QB only throwing 6 passes. That defense and run game was insane that year.
 

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Aaron Rodgers also threw the ball 531 times, while Dak Prescott threw 596 times, which is generally 2 more games worth of passing attempts. Plus, GB had 26 TOs in the season, unlike Dak who had 34 TOs by his defense.

11 of his TDs thrown came in completely blowouts against in 2 of the last 3 games, with zero implications as far as the division are concerned. Right before thr Football Team game, it was already announced the Cowboys won the division.

While every QB plays bad teams in their division, they don’t play their first team starters against third string starters of those horrible teams, with their starting QB playing into the 4th to notch 5 TDs when there is absolutely nothing to play for other than pad stats.

Dak’s big statistic games throughout his career come in meaningless games. For example, in 2019 after getting eliminated by the awful Eagles, he throws 4 TDs against the sorry Football Team and plays the whole game to pad his stats. In 2018, against the Giants, he had close to a 400 yard meaningless game, when they already made the playoffs, even though Dak played awful the weak before against a sorry Tampa Bay team, when the playoffs picture was still unclear.

This is as desperate as it gets. There’s still time to delete it.
 

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What do these numbers mean?
Prescott has a fumbling problem...which has reared it's ugly head in four of five games before the Eagles. If he can get his ball security in check then he will be that much better. The fourth quarter fumbles are really not the thing you want to see happening in the playoffs.

Otherwise, his play has been good enough...but I'm really hoping that the return of Blake Jarwin and the 12 personnel packages of the first seven weeks gives him a shot in the arm. That said...and it's probably a bit of heresy...he has to find that "fine" middle ground between bus driver and gunslinger in the playoffs. This has always been the thing that is hardest for him imo. But if you can make him comfortable (with 12 personnel and running the ball) you can get some great throws and plays from him.

He really needs a fast start vs. San Francisco. That d-line can wreck an offense.
 

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Prescott has a fumbling problem...which has reared it's ugly head in four of five games before the Eagles. If he can get his ball security in check then he will be that much better. The fourth quarter fumbles are really not the thing you want to see happening in the playoffs.

Otherwise, his play has been good enough...but I'm really hoping that the return of Blake Jarwin and the 12 personnel packages of the first seven weeks gives him a shot in the arm. That said...and it's probably a bit of heresy...he has to find that "fine" middle ground between bus driver and gunslinger in the playoffs. This has always been the thing that is hardest for him imo. But if you can make him comfortable (with 12 personnel and running the ball) you can get some great throws and plays from him.

He really needs a fast start vs. San Francisco. That d-line can wreck an offense.
Wilson now doesn't hurt...and the return of most other players as well!
 

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Are the only 2 QBs this season to pass for over 4,000 yards, throw 35+ touchdowns, and throw fewer than 11 interceptions.

Analyze that!
Well thank goodness he stayed in against the Eagles JV team
 

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This is as desperate as it gets. There’s still time to delete it.
Yeah...I think that Prescott has indeed padded his stats a bit (Eagles game for example) but I do think that he is more than good enough...IF you can get him comfortable in the pocket. Jarwin's return (with 12 personnel packages) plus Wilson in the slot should make this happen.

Put it this way...if he can't get it done with Jarwin and Wilson back in place then I really don't know what to say in his defense. It's just TOO MUCH talent around him not to ball.
 

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This is as desperate as it gets. There’s still time to delete it.
It's disingenuous to not provide context behind the numbers. That's what @khiladi did here. All 30 TD passes are not created equal.

If QB A threw 10 TD passes over a two game span against a horrible team in a blow out, that's 10 of the 30 TD passes right there. That's 1/3 of his total TD passes in 2 blowout wins.

If QB B throws 10 TD passes over a 5 game span then that averages out to 2 TD passes a game.

That means after 5 games QB A and QB B would have the same amount of TD passes (10), but QB A had 3 games that he didn't throw a single TD pass and his team lost.

I'd much rather have the guy throwing 2 TD passes a game. Wouldn't you?

That's why context behind the numbers matter.
 

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It's disingenuous to not provide context behind the numbers. That's what @khiladi did here. All 30 TD passes are not created equal.

If QB A threw 10 TD passes over a two game span against a horrible team in a blow out, that's 10 of the 30 TD passes right there. That's 1/3 of his total TD passes in 2 blowout wins.

If QB B throws 10 TD passes over a 5 game span then that averages out to 2 TD passes a game.

That means after 5 games QB A and QB B would have the same amount of TD passes (10), but QB A had 3 games that he didn't throw a single TD pass and his team lost.

I'd much rather have the guy throwing 2 TD passes a game. Wouldn't you?

That's why context behind the numbers matter.

I think you’d be likely to find similar distributions amongst all quarterbacks in the league, Brady and Rodgers included.
 

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Who knows what they are. I guess not as good. The point really is that people that say he is bad are wrong and there are numerous facts to prove that.
Dak and Wilson have played each other in the playoffs......Dak and the cowboys moved on and Wilson went home to watch
 

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Did you look at Rodgers stats? Almost half (18 out of 37) of his TDs and zero picks came against NFCN including 4 TD games against Chicago, Minny, and Detroit.
Rodgers feasted from a weak division as much as Dak did if not more. In fact, NFCN was the worst division in the NFC.

I guess will wait and see who the MVP is then, lol.

But hey, by looking at the numbers maybe Dak or even Cousins wins it.
 
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I never said he was a bad QB. My point is that his fan club keeps putting him up onto this elevated pedestal because of his regular season stats, but he's a flop in the post season (same as Romo) compared to almost every other top QB. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe not, but I put more stock into QB's who can turn it on in the post season. Some QB's flourish that time of year, others don't.

I don't care what QB's do in the regular season if they can't turn it on in the post season. Very few will remember or care that Dak had 37 TD passes this season if the team blows it this Sunday.
Oh. Ok. You didn’t suggest he wasn’t good. Sorry.

Maybe you’re new here, but his fanclub (as you say) is simply a response to the group that first said “he only wins because his team is great and he can’t put up stats” and “stats don’t matter winning is the only important thing”
And now “only winning a Super Bowl matters”
 
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Well, that last throw looked like a fix to me, but if it wasn’t yeah. Not sure what your point is though. It still doesn’t excuse this QB and Dak would look bad in that offense to, considering how much McVay goes downfield.
Actually that’s like one of the top 3 places Dak would thrive. Play Action and Deep Shots.
 
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