Why Diggs not Mentioned

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As @JBS shared...

This picture comparison says everything...

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Trevon Diggs has better numbers (other than yards allowed more by only 50 yards or less), yet Jalen Ramsey and Marshon Lattimore get nominations for DPOY while Trevon does not.

Those voters hate the Cowboys. They do anything to keep the Cowboys from getting justly recognized.
Man I started that on Twitter
 

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The team is schemed for what he does...and yes, there are safeties in consideration as well.
oh, don't get me wrong I like him. he has room to grow. he had trouble against deep ball last year. he is not at least getting interceptions....he is not revis...yet
 

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Diggs is having a historically bad year by every metric other than INTs. He has a lot of INTs b/c he gambles more than any CB in the league and loses a LOT. But, the gambling has paid off at least 11 times.

Apparently that is true but it sure doesn't seem like it watching the games. I mean a guy getting gashed like that should look like a liability on the field and that isn't even remotely the case to me.

Just a very odd year.

Regardless, no cornerback deserves DPOY.
 

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Diggs is having a historically bad year by every metric other than INTs. He has a lot of INTs b/c he gambles more than any CB in the league and loses a LOT. But, the gambling has paid off at least 11 times.

That's BS..he missed a few deep early in the season and got beat on a double move by AJ green (hall of famer) against AZ , other then that he has a top 5 defensive pass rating.
 

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No DB in the league is going to keep up having as many turnovers as he has. No other DB has throughout NFL history and QBs are willing to take the risk of an INT knowing the same DB gets burned often. His INT total will be an outlier, and him getting burned will be a lot less excusable when he's only getting 4-5 INTs next season.
 

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You responded to a specific stat. You were incorrect. PFF *** covering garbage won't change that. Do you think Dak was the 8th best QB this season?

What the hell? Coverage is part of passer rating. Their explanation directly counters what you're saying and it's completely surface level.

And I would have Prescott around 9 or 10, it wasn't a great year for QBs. There is still a major transition going on in the league with a lot of young guys coming into their own with old dogs recently leaving or playing like their twilight. I disagree with them about Mahomes because I put more of an emphasis with how he played the second half of the year, but taking it as a whole, sure, I guess Prescott was more inconsistently consistent.
 

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I agree I’m just explaining why he’s not being mentioned for DPOY. He takes a lot of chances sometimes it pays off and sometimes he gets beat. He’ll pick off a pass then give up a 50 yarder.
Feast or famine lolll. He’s given up 9 catches in the last 4 games combined. Settle down , grasshopper
 

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What the hell? Coverage is part of passer rating. Their explanation directly counters what you're saying and it's completely surface level.

And I would have Prescott around 9 or 10, it wasn't a great year for QBs. There is still a major transition going on in the league with a lot of young guys coming into their own with old dogs recently leaving or playing like their twilight. I disagree with them about Mahomes because I put more of an emphasis with how he played the second half of the year, but taking it as a whole, sure, I guess Prescott was more inconsistently consistent.
Coverage is a part of passer rating. So is EPA. So are INTs. So are pass deflections. They're also all absent from the analysis you begrudgingly accept if it doesn't fit your narrative. Their explanation is simply designed to cover their *** for a grade that's not reflective of reality since Diggs will be an All Pro this season and Sam Monson will be a guy who's never played or coached football at any level
 

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You responded to a specific stat. You were incorrect. PFF *** covering garbage won't change that. Do you think Dak was the 8th best QB this season?

Let me add to this, their "coverage grade" factors all of this into it - this is where he ranks

Metric NFL Average Trevon Diggs Diggs rank
Yards allowed per coverage snap 1.17 1.92 67th
Completion rate allowed 61.3% 61.0% 35th
% receptions resulting in a 15-plus-yard gain 28.6% 36.0% 58th
Open target % 39.3% 53.7% 66th
Forced incompletion % 11.3% 7.3% 59th

The way you evaluate and grade is outdated and misleading - which is why we now have more in-depth analysis. It's why common QB rating is falling to the wayside for more in-depth looks with QBR and what PFF does. "Coverage" factors in what the passer is doing.
 

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Let me add to this, their "coverage grade" factors all of this into it - this is where he ranks

Metric NFL Average Trevon Diggs Diggs rank
Yards allowed per coverage snap 1.17 1.92 67th
Completion rate allowed 61.3% 61.0% 35th
% receptions resulting in a 15-plus-yard gain 28.6% 36.0% 58th
Open target % 39.3% 53.7% 66th
Forced incompletion % 11.3% 7.3% 59th

The way you evaluate and grade is outdated and misleading - which is why we now have more in-depth analysis. It's why common QB rating is falling to the wayside for more in-depth looks with QBR and what PFF does. "Coverage" factors in what the passer is doing.
But their numbers are just flat out wrong and full of subjective inputs. He is listed at 52% completion percentage against. SIS and PFR and PFF all disagree on all of his numbers. Heck man PFF is counting Harris 70 yard drag and run in a blowout as a substantial factor in his grade. If you watched that play and thought it was on Diggs you're simply blind
 

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But their numbers are just flat out wrong and full of subjective inputs. He is listed at 52% completion percentage against. SIS and PFR and PFF all disagree on all of his numbers. Heck man PFF is counting Harris 70 yard drag and run in a blowout as a substantial factor in his grade. If you watched that play and thought it was on Diggs you're simply blind

This is not an argument. You are not a citation, you are not a source - you're a dude on a forum. Your beef with PFF is simply that, a beef. Go cry to them on Twitter and then get back to me when they burn you with their analytics.

Until then, stop flapping your gums. It's hilarious to me people are against going more in-depth rather than putting more credit or criticism towards a player than deserved. Yes, with surface level statistics, it's great how a tipped pass off a WRs hands hurts a QBs rating or a bad safety play in a blown coverage often hurts the rating of a CB assigned to a WR.

This actually HELPS DBs get more recognition lol In this case, it just gives context to what Diggs is: He's extremely and extremely bust. The numbers reflect this. You suck.
 

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Diggs has given up a lot of yards. I get that. There's a lot to his game that needs improvement.

But the most important thing a defensive player can do is force turnovers. It denies an opponent a scoring chance while giving your offense a bonus possession. The number one stat tied to wins and losses is turnover differential. And Diggs had a season historically great in that department.
 
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