Why Cooper and Lamb went backwards

khiladi · Jan 17, 2022

It’s not the injury.. It’s the same Dak year in and year out. This happened in 2019, after the 3-0 start.

Dak got more excuses than any plays in NFL history. Dak has always been extremely conservative against zone coverages. The reality is that teams were FORCED to play more man and bring extra defenders in the box, because of our OL and RG are that elite. I wondered more and more these last three years why defenses constantly just over-compensated with cover 0 looks.

Now teams realized, especially with the drop off in RG and OL play, they can rush 4 or show full rush and drop back into coverage and completely stifle Dak, because of how slow his decision making process is. Teams basically stopped blitzing Dak, except situationally. Even now our OL with Zeke pass blocking is good enough to stifle blitzes.

baltcowboy · Jan 17, 2022

playmakers said:
Since Dak came back from his calf injury he has played ultra conservative. Alot of times he doesnt give time for a play to develop if he sees the rb open in the flat. That’s annoying. Also, he only throws the ball mainly in between the hashes. Cooper and Lamb are outside the hashes. The second half of this year became rb dominant dump off, Dalton Schultz at 10 or Cedric Wilson in the middle. You shut that out Dak does not go to the sidelines often and when he does its a 5-10 yard pass. He lost that gunslinger mentality. You look at Chase, jefferson, kupp and Adams these guys are the focal point of the other teams but yet get 7 catches and 12 targets a game. If they can produce like that so can these guys to a point. The problem is they don't get chances. The qb plays to not throw ints or get hit for the first 3 quarters. Only when the game is on the line he starts slinging the ball around. Ive seen ceedee open deep a few times and Dak doesnt want to go over ten yards and with our penalties no wonder why we dont score vs good teams.

Plus Dak has no continuity with these wr’s. Jamar Chase and Davante Adams always catch that back shoulder fade. Just like Aikman to Irvin on the 15 yard out. Dak has none of that besides Schultz in the middle. Wheres our big play chances? Lamb came into the league as if its 1 on 1 just throw it up. When was the last time Lamb got one of those down the sidelines. Who knows you might even get a PI. Our offense is all backwards.

I hate to be that guy but when Cooper Rush played that one game against Minnesota Cooper and Lamb were outstanding. Dak has to look at himself. The Joneses have to get rid of his buddies (La’el and Zeke) that will be a start.

khiladi · Jan 17, 2022

Wezsh0T said:
Strange how we were talking Dak and MVP at the beginning of the season. I hope we retool the offensive line and continue to upgrade the LBers and rest of the defense.

They did the same thing in 2019 after the 3-0 start. The problem is over-rating Dak, not that he’s actually an MVP. His agent behind the scenes is probably the real MVP, making Dak a legend in media from behind the scenes, so that when contract time comes around he gets paid 42 million and a no trade clause coming off a broken leg and Dallas having all the leverage with a franchise tag…

khiladi · Jan 17, 2022

baltcowboy said:
I hate to be that guy but when Cooper Rush played that one game against Minnesota Cooper and Lamb were outstanding. Dak has to look at himself. The Joneses have to get rid of his buddies (La’el and Zeke) that will be a start.

Wilson also was 3-3 on 3 targets, including that plus 50 yard dime for the TD that split the safeties. Facts are, Moore gets the opportunities for the QB to spread the ball around. That’s all you can ask for an OC. It’s up to the QB to take advantage of those opportunities.

Jarv · Jan 17, 2022

LucaBrasi said:
Cooper is a good player inflated by Cowboys hype.

Lamb is also a good player wildly over hyped by the team he plays for as well.

Prescott received a salary commiserate with the going rate for qbs, because there wasn’t a chance in hell the 2 dummies running things thought they could find someone better. Let’s all remember they thought Manziel and Paxton Lynch were viable options.

Yep those dummies should have transitioned tagged Dak 2 years ago, taken whatever another team offered and made a hard push to sign Brady. Then we would not be talking about bad and stupid QB play.

Cmac · Jan 17, 2022

Zman5 said:
This has been a issue since JG days. Every time the OL couldn't hold up or run game went south, the offense went to the crapper. The reason the offense sometimes looked good with Romo was he was willing to run around and chuck it up to Dez and Dez could out "athlete" against lesser CBs. But it didn't work as well against the better teams with better players. Just like this offense.

For once I like to see them feed Cooper, Lamb or Shultz when they are the ones getting open over and over again until they get stopped. Like someone said we don't really have an identity just bunch of plays.

Sounds like an indictment on the OC.........drawing plays in the dirt.

ghosttown cowboy · Jan 17, 2022

If you watch good teams they have a lot of one step passes to their playmakers, even old man Big Ben had those last night. Most of the time those plays get 5 or more yards. We have none of these and we have horrible route combinations. Our OL isn't good enough for any of these long developing plays...

Darkhound · Jan 17, 2022

Playmaker3128 said:
Usually I'd side with the QB, but I think you can see the frustration on lamb and coopers faces. They are open. He just doesn't see them.

DAK was, has been and always will be A MEDIOCRE QB

Darkhound · Jan 17, 2022

LucaBrasi said:
Cooper is a good player inflated by Cowboys hype.

Lamb is also a good player wildly over hyped by the team he plays for as well.

Prescott received a salary commiserate with the going rate for qbs, because there wasn’t a chance in hell the 2 dummies running things thought they could find someone better. Let’s all remember they thought Manziel and Paxton Lynch were viable options.

So true... Paxton lynch!

Mk2_Cowboys · Jan 17, 2022

Lamb was straight garbage and a deer caught in the headlights , dude just sucked ***.

Gorgon · Jan 17, 2022

Playmaker3128 said:
Usually I'd side with the QB, but I think you can see the frustration on lamb and coopers faces. They are open. He just doesn't see them.

I get all that, but are we watching the same team? I look at the pocket collapsing almost instantly on every play, mainly at the C position. Compared to both KC and even Pitt (where Ben took some sacks in the two games vs KC), there was till
a pocket there to step up into.

Will Dak be Dak? Yes. Would he be better with a line like the old Frederick/heathy Smith/Martin line? Absolutely. I think THAT line would get us to a conference championship. Given that Jerry will not let Dak go, the
single biggest improvement we could make would be to expend everything we have on OL and DT.

Manster_Mash · Jan 17, 2022

I just tried to measure whats on the ground this morning. My thin steel scale will not get though the top. Lol. I can walk on top of the snow in places.

Shane612 · Jan 17, 2022

Why?
*OC sucks.
*Cooper and Lamb are overrated. Although, I still believe Lamb has something.
*Half the time Cooper is MIA. Can't be trusted.
*Dak sucks.
*Offensive line is average.

charron · Jan 17, 2022

Dak struggles with timing and anticipation throws. He's waiting for guys to get open before release and you can not do that when teams play you tight. It's been 6 years of the same thing. He does end up with good stats and that is fine as long as you don't care about winning meaningful games.

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