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I have a feeling Williams will be one of those free agents that stays on the open market long enough that he eventually re-signs here on a one year veteran's minimum salary.

This forum would explode if that happened.
 

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Get the best OL/DT available. Get the other position in the 2nd.
I'm almost locked in at OL with that pick unless someone drops to the point where the value is too good to pass up. It's clear this offense needs a top OL to function to its potential. DT wise at some point you have to stop putting in resources to the position and actually develop your players. Hill, Gallimore, Osa are all recent 2nd or 3rd round picks. In theory you should be able to develop those guys and supplement the rest of your depth chart with bargain FAs & lower picks/UDFAs.
 

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I have a feeling Williams will be one of those free agents that stays on the open market long enough that he eventually re-signs here on a one year veteran's minimum salary.

This forum would explode if that happened.
You bring him back at a reasonable salary it's not the end of the world at all. It's not like there are a ton of other options out there. I'd love to get a early round G in the draft, but if we have to go the FA route to replace CW i'm not sure you get much better (if at all) than CW. I bet CW gets a lot more than you think though, and is out of the Cowboys budget.
 

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Turns out he just really has a knack for cuddling.
 

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Cowboys should pick in the early to mid 20s on draft day....that can be good value to get an interior OL.

I highly doubt CW is back. He is an average G, but should get above average money on the open market, and the Cowboys already will have some tough decisions to make cap wise.

Be careful what you guys ask for though. CW is far from a great player, but the guy is a solid NFL G. That isn't an endorsement for CW play, but more of a look around the league. I'm hopeful we can draft someone high, because the FA market isnt going to be much of an improvement.

this is true however the penalties are unacceptable and the man reason we lost last night. really the O slump is due to the inconsistent execution of the entire OL and all the penalties all over but 52 is by far the worst.

you can't keep player and expect any others to respect you.52 being cut would at least show the rest of the players if you, make this many mistakes and give a 2nd shot and still can't get it corrected, you are gone. the chiefs changed out there entire starting 5 in one off season.
a major shakeup is needed across the OL and its starts with 52..then reshuffling some to new positions and replacing others. i stuck up for him since hes been here but its time.

the offensive line, both with the execution and penalties cost us the game ..ill paste and cut this on all threads looking for answers.:popcorn: they torpedoed so many drives i lost count.:eek::mad::(

all those plays all game before that especially on the drive before and after halftime is on dak?> the sunlight the OL mistakes being behind the chains. I mean its blatantly obvious to actual fans to why we lost the game

the OL that's if. Other penalty's come in 2nd like pre-snap on the DL what 3 of them?

real fans who aren't emotional right now see why we lost...mistakes on the lines you win and lose in the trenches, and it cost us on both sides.
 

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You bring him back at a reasonable salary it's not the end of the world at all. It's not like there are a ton of other options out there. I'd love to get a early round G in the draft, but if we have to go the FA route to replace CW i'm not sure you get much better (if at all) than CW. I bet CW gets a lot more than you think though, and is out of the Cowboys budget.

I agree. Maybe Matt Farniok can be a solution too. Another problem is the other Conner, McGovern, has been just another guy too. It's time to rebuild this line since I can only see Zack Martin and Terence Steele being here in a few years. Maybe Biasasz.
 

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this is true however the penalties are unacceptable and the man reason we lost last night. really the O slump is due to the inconsistent execution of the entire OL and all the penalties all over but 52 is by far the worst.

you can't keep player and expect any others to respect you.52 being cut would at least show the rest of the players if you, make this many mistakes and give a 2nd shot and still can't get it corrected, you are gone. the chiefs changed out there entire starting 5 in one off season.
a major shakeup is needed across the OL and its starts with 52..then reshuffling some to new positions and replacing others. i stuck up for him since hes been here but its time.

the offensive line, both with the execution and penalties cost us the game ..ill paste and cut this on all threads looking for answers.:popcorn: they torpedoed so many drives i lost count.:eek::mad::(

all those plays all game before that especially on the drive before and after halftime is on dak?> the sunlight the OL mistakes being behind the chains. I mean its blatantly obvious to actual fans to why we lost the game

the OL that's if. Other penalty's come in 2nd like pre-snap on the DL what 3 of them?

real fans who aren't emotional right now see why we lost...mistakes on the lines you win and lose in the trenches, and it cost us on both sides.
I dont disagree with you, but I think the problems are bigger than individual players. The CW penalty issue is one that I think is a bigger issue than his ability. The guy in 2020 had over 1100 snaps and just 4 penalties. 2019 he had 6 penalties. 2018 he had 5 (although he only had about 700 snaps that year). Overall the guy has not had a penalty issue in his career, that's been a this year thing. The team overall had a penalty issue, and i think its more a reflection on the culture and coaching.

This was just a bad year for the offense as a whole. Dak regressed bad after his injury, the OL overall seemed to regress hard after looking really good. Receivers struggled to catch balls, our starting RB essentially became a glorified pass blocker. It just feels to me like this year the coaching staff lost control and didn't really know how to fix it. They stayed stubborn and just doubled down without every really making adjustments.

I'm not sure you can overhaul this offense like you did the defense last year. You dont have much cap space, you are picking towards the end of the draft, etc. At some point you have to look at how can you improve your roster from within, and that may require some new voices and ideas.
 

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I agree. Maybe Matt Farniok can be a solution too. Another problem is the other Conner, McGovern, has been just another guy too. It's time to rebuild this line since I can only see Zack Martin and Terence Steele being here in a few years. Maybe Biasasz.
Man Biadisz (Still not sure how to spell his name haha) may be the key to everything. When he was improving week after week early on this Oline was rolling. When he really took a huge step back the last half of the year that is when everyone seemed to struggle with him. He is the guy I struggle with. If this coaching staff can get him going and really develop him into an all around C I feel so much better about this unit. If not and he is a backup in this league I would be more than happy to draft a C early and even look at keeping CW if the price is right.
 

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I dont disagree with you, but I think the problems are bigger than individual players. The CW penalty issue is one that I think is a bigger issue than his ability. The guy in 2020 had over 1100 snaps and just 4 penalties. 2019 he had 6 penalties. 2018 he had 5 (although he only had about 700 snaps that year). Overall the guy has not had a penalty issue in his career, that's been a this year thing. The team overall had a penalty issue, and i think its more a reflection on the culture and coaching.

This was just a bad year for the offense as a whole. Dak regressed bad after his injury, the OL overall seemed to regress hard after looking really good. Receivers struggled to catch balls, our starting RB essentially became a glorified pass blocker. It just feels to me like this year the coaching staff lost control and didn't really know how to fix it. They stayed stubborn and just doubled down without every really making adjustments.

I'm not sure you can overhaul this offense like you did the defense last year. You dont have much cap space, you are picking towards the end of the draft, etc. At some point you have to look at how can you improve your roster from within, and that may require some new voices and ideas.
no overhaul to the offense but the OL can be shuffled and retooled. draft and FA and some maybe on the team we have Farinok(sp) , Ball etc others maybe moved and then these young guys given chance, lie i said make statement we watched since the BYE the OL being THE biggest issue. Penalties killed us, poor blocking killed us, run game they just weren't physical enough.
but sure first to get the axe to make an impression thing will change

THE OL COACH, than 52..that start..the new OLC can figure out plan for reshuffling and reshaping the OL
 

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How bad this guy can be in crucial moments??

I think its time to move on from him

He is bad but that hold was just a ridiculous call. He barely touched that guy who fell over someone else.

And then Parsons really gets held on the first 49's TD and crickets!.

At this point he is the Anthony Brown of the Oline - they are just watching him every play and looking for something to call.
 

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Remember when thought C. Williams was actually good because McGovern was so bad?
It doesnt make CW good, but it does show that it can get worse. That's my fear. I'm hopeful we can draft an interior OL early. I'm not sure the FA route helps us out much. We may be able to find a different type of player, but from an overall production standpoint you've got to develop those guys. Most teams wont let good OL get away.
 

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Two HC’s have been strapped with this poor draft pick because of the owner’s ego. The spread became the offense of the Big 12 out of necessity, the lack of quality OL and he was good for the Big 12, not the NFL.

Any OL is a chain and only as strong as it’s weakest link. He and the C are weak and Collins is a mediocre OT and Big Smitty is aging.
 

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What's nuts is this year he doubled his highest previous penalty totals.

IIRC his highest flag season was a few years back with 6.

Wrong time for this team and his future earnings to get 11 holding penalties.
Right, at least 3 of those calls were ticky tack at best, the play analyst even discussed them being poor calls. A 4th he was blocking 2 players and a LB came on a delayed rush and Williams grabbed him going by!
 
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