The worst part is there is no hope going forward

khiladi · Jan 17, 2022

Convince Romo to come out of retirement for a year..

pugilist · Jan 17, 2022

I mean you take the #1 offense and a top 5 defense into the playoffs and go one and done? Thats it, that was your best shot. You won’t ever get another opportunity like that.

I honestly don’t think the franchise will win anything again under Jerry’s reign.

Ranching · Jan 17, 2022

Diehardblues said:
Actually it’s a business .

If all you want to participate in is rooting the team on game day why participate in discussions as such?

It's a business if you make money from it, it's a game for the rest of us......when I coached and played...it was a business...now it just a game.

zack · Jan 17, 2022

CATCH17 said:
I just have no idea where this team goes from here and the thought of starting this whole process over just makes me sick to my stomach.

They can’t just say this is good enough and if we clean up mistakes all will be well.

Lining up and doing the same thing over and over is just not the way and I think they have to fire McCarthy.

He’s been here 2 seasons and he was awful in year 1 and year 2 he beat a bunch of bad teams and nobody had an answer for the 2 high safeties. Also the lack of Pollard and playing Zeke was just criminal.

Dallas needs a culture change and they need a new face for this franchise right now but I know management believes in continuity and they get continuous results.

I just don’t know what they can do outside of a coaching change to give any hope to the fans.

Yes, culture change needed. A rebranding of sorts. Get rid of the stupid mascot. Is it as simple as a uniform change? I know people will be pissed by reading that, but something has to change.

Jarv · Jan 17, 2022

TWOK11 said:
Why would we assume we could get the other two, assuming we ignore their ages for a moment?

And again, by no available metric is Carr better than Dak.

You must not have read my post correctly. I said we should have transitioned tagged Dak last Spring (as I suggested many times at the time). Then we would not be stuck with Dak or his contract.

Thus the original premise of this post.

The part about the other QBs is because they are going to be available this year by free agency. They may also be some others available via trade.

What quarterbacks will be available in 2022?

2022 NFL offseason: Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins among 15 veteran QBs who could be on the move

Aaron Rodgers | Packers.
Russell Wilson | Seahawks.
Kirk Cousins | Vikings.
Matt Ryan | Falcons.
Derek Carr | Raiders.
Tua Tagovailoa | Dolphins.
Jimmy Garoppolo | 49ers.
Jameis Winston | Saints.

CATCH17 · Jan 17, 2022

pugilist said:
I mean you take the #1 offense and a top 5 defense into the playoffs and go one and done? Thats it, that was your best shot. You won’t ever get another opportunity like that.

I honestly don’t think the franchise will win anything again under Jerry’s reign.

It was never the number 1 offense. The numbers lied.

It was great through 7 games. It sucked starting with Denver and just because they passed stats on bad teams doesn’t mean it was good.

It was clear our QB was out of his element when teams went to 2 high safeties.

The key to overcoming it was a run game but the team forced a RB with a torn PCL that was no threat instead of doing what was best for the team so that caused us to be pass happy and relying on adams arm is a good way to lose a football game.

Diehardblues · Jan 17, 2022

CATCH17 said:
I’m sorry but teams don’t win anything by paying Dak’s 40 million a year. Move along.

You can disagree with me but I’ll just be right.. Again…

The Dak delusionals watched him do squat as we waste a season and go 1 and done.

It’s no doubt going to be very difficult if you over pay your QB. Especially if you over pay your RB and other key stars who don’t show up either on the biggest stages.

But our dysfunctional ownership is more interested in selling hope, jerseys and SB hype which keeps the revenue train rolling . His priorities are out of whack. What do we do?

CATCH17 · Jan 17, 2022

Diehardblues said:
It’s no doubt going to be very difficult if you over pay your QB. Especially if you over pay your RB and other key stars who don’t show up either on the biggest stages.

But our dysfunctional ownership is more interested in selling hope, jerseys and SB hype which keeps the revenue train rolling . His priorities are out of whack. What do we do?

If he wants to sell hope he has to make a coaching change.

They have nothing to sell going forward.

Your QB is average, your OL is aging, your RB is a shell and hasn’t been good in 3 years.

Ren · Jan 17, 2022

you have to start with coaching clean hose end get rid of every last one of them

Zeke and Cooper and a few more who's production doesn't match thier pay needs to go (we're stuck with Dak), rebuild OL would only keep Martin and Collins. Draft a LT and look for stop gaps at LG and C. Need a big NT on defense, i don't know what to make of our DBs DIggs is either giving up big plays or making them our safeties were ok Brown is the weak link there.. LB group seems fine even if LVE walks

TWOK11 · Jan 17, 2022

Haimerej said:
What were those (mostly) Super Bowl losers getting paid? Were any of them near the highest paid salary in the league? I think your comparison here undermines your support of Dak.

Even the two above average QBs you mention- first off it's arguable that Dak is better or even as good as either of them, considering their playoff successes. Secondly- the one who actually won (Eli) did so off the back of monster defenses.

But the main point here is you're comparing him to bus drivers and saying you can win with a bus driver... but he's not paid to be a bus driver.

Eli Manning, Cam Newton, Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan and Kerry Collins all made or won a SB as the highest or one of the three highest paid players on their teams. And that’s just in the last 21 years.

Diehardblues · Jan 17, 2022

CATCH17 said:
It was never the number 1 offense. The numbers lied.

It was great through 7 games. It sucked starting with Denver and just because they passed stats on bad teams doesn’t mean it was good.

It was clear our QB was out of his element when teams went to 2 high safeties.

The key to overcoming it was a run game but the team forced a RB with a torn PCL that was no threat instead of doing what was best for the team so that caused us to be pass happy and relying on adams arm is a good way to lose a football game.

The blueprint still holds true to stifle this offense. Stop our running game and pressure our QB. Make our passing game beat you. Not all defenses can execute.

We were 11-0 this year when we rushed for 100 yards or more. It’s the same ole story.

TWOK11 · Jan 17, 2022

Jarv said:
You must not have read my post correctly. I said we should have transitioned tagged Dak last Spring (as I suggested many times at the time). Then we would not be stuck with Dak or his contract.

Thus the original premise of this post.

The part about the other QBs is because they are going to be available this year by free agency. They may also be some others available via trade.

What quarterbacks will be available in 2022?

2022 NFL offseason: Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins among 15 veteran QBs who could be on the move

Aaron Rodgers | Packers.

Russell Wilson | Seahawks.

Kirk Cousins | Vikings.

Matt Ryan | Falcons.

Derek Carr | Raiders.

Tua Tagovailoa | Dolphins.

Jimmy Garoppolo | 49ers.

Jameis Winston | Saints.

But again, there are two QBs on that list I’d have any interest in and both are on the backside of their careers. The other guys are all worse than Dak at this point and even at a lower cost aren’t worthwhile.

Haimerej · Jan 17, 2022

TWOK11 said:
Eli Manning, Cam Newton, Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan and Kerry Collins all made or won a SB as the highest or one of the three highest paid players on their teams. And that’s just in the last 21 years.

"On their teams"? What's that supposed to mean? Find me 1 team where the QB isn't in the top 3 of their team. I suppose you'll likely find a non-playoff team or one with a good QB on a rookie salary.

TWOK11 · Jan 17, 2022

Haimerej said:
"On their teams"? What's that supposed to mean? Find me 1 team where the QB isn't in the top 3 of their team. I suppose you'll likely find a non-playoff team or one with a good QB on a rookie salary.

No QB on a rookie deal is one of the 3 highest paid players, and most journeymen FAs aren’t. Only 14 teams this year had a QB as one of their 3 highest paid players.

ICP · Jan 17, 2022

Coming man, rinse and repeat. It's the way in Big D

Diehardblues · Jan 17, 2022

TWOK11 said:
Eli Manning, Cam Newton, Joe Flacco, Matt Ryan and Kerry Collins all made or won a SB as the highest or one of the three highest paid players on their teams. And that’s just in the last 21 years.

Yes , franchise QB’s are usually the highest paid players on the team assuming they’re on their second contract but were they one of the top 3 paid QB in the league ? And did they overpay other over hyped stars?

Our offense has lost their identity. It used to be about a strong OL and running game. Which if we were smart wouldn’t have over paid more of a bus driving QB coupled with over paying our RB who we thought was necessary to prop up our QB plus pursuing a 100 million WR for more support.

Nobody does that but this dysfunctional ownership.

CowboysLegends2 · Jan 17, 2022

TWOK11 said:
“When men are most sure and arrogant they are commonly most mistaken, giving views to passion without that proper deliberation which alone can secure them from the grossest absurdities.”

That’s David Hume, and it’s as true today as it was 300 years ago

You really have to stop. This delusional Dak backing is becoming clinical. LOOK AT THE GAME! He can’t throw the football. He can’t see the field, he can’t hit open receivers.

TEAMS GO INTO GAMES AGAINST OUR OFFENSE AND PREFER TO FORCE DAK TO THROW! There is no defending his deer in the headlights gimmick any more. We are stuck with him because his agent saw Jerry coming but there is no credible defense of this circus anymore,

Haimerej · Jan 17, 2022

TWOK11 said:
No QB on a rookie deal is one of the 3 highest paid players, and most journeymen FAs aren’t. Only 14 teams this year had a QB as one of their 3 highest paid players.

Who said a QB on a rookie deal would be a high paid player? I literally said the opposite.

You're really dodging this point though. I never asked if any of those mediocre QBs were the highest on their team. I asked if they were the highest in the league.

Jarv · Jan 17, 2022

TWOK11 said:
But again, there are two QBs on that list I’d have any interest in and both are on the backside of their careers. The other guys are all worse than Dak at this point and even at a lower cost aren’t worthwhile.

Okay, so we disagree. No big deal.

Wish I could prove you wrong or visa versa, well I guess this year we did prove Dak can't carry a team and put them on his back and lead them to victory, like the other QBs I mentioned (of course not counting Carr, although I still think he is NOW better than Dak, wasn't always but is NOW).

I really hope you have a chance to prove me wrong next year and have him do that. I very much doubt it will happen, but again I hope you get your chance.

shabazz · Jan 17, 2022

big dog cowboy said:
Fix the OL and your QB gets better. The defense is definitely on the right path. Special teams just needs a new kicker. Address all the penalties.

Can all that win in January? Not sure. Inconsistent QB automatically kills any chance I know that. Dumb coaching decisions are hard to overcome.

fixing the o-line through the draft will take too long and there’s no money to buy help via free agency because the one player who can’t overcome subpar offensive line play is getting that money

paying 22% of the salary cap to one player creates this situation…..but if said player can overcome such liabilities, he’s worth the money…..basically ya can’t pay like we have a pro bowl qb and a pro bowl offensive line at the same time……some things have to be overcome

The worst part is there is no hope going forward

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