Rewarding failure and overpaying average talent

IceBowler · Jan 17, 2022

rocyaice said:
So what do you recommend? Be like the Jaguars and don't pay your guys and just suck every year? At the end of the day all of those guys outplayed their contracts. Dak got paid 500k a year and played well enough to get a new deal. Same goes for Jaylon. The deals flopped. Oh well. Its the least of this teams issues....

The problem is guaranteed money. Needs to be a way to attach performance going forward to the percentage of the new contracts compared to performance levels leading to the new deal. We’ve all seen and can name players who got paid and basically coasted.

jnday · Jan 17, 2022

rocyaice said:
So what do you recommend? Be like the Jaguars and don't pay your guys and just suck every year? At the end of the day all of those guys outplayed their contracts. Dak got paid 500k a year and played well enough to get a new deal. Same goes for Jaylon. The deals flopped. Oh well. Its the least of this teams issues....

I would say that giving top money to average players is one of the biggest problems with this team. Taking up a large portion of the salary cap to overpay average talent will not produce a championship team. The only player that has played up to their big contract is Martin. He has been one of the best offensive linemen in the league every year.

IceStar-D7 · Jan 17, 2022

That's your owner/GM.

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 17, 2022

jnday said:
I would say that giving top money to average players is one of the biggest problems with this team. Taking up a large portion of the salary cap to overpay average talent will not produce a championship team. The only player that has played up to their big contract is Martin. He has been one of the best offensive linemen in the league every year.

I mean it depends on how you view players. There is nothing average about when we gave Dak, Zeke, Lawrence, etc. their money.

I've said this time and time again...this whole "guys get paid and tail off" is not something exclusive to the Cowboys. Guys get paid by the time they are in their mid to late 20's and their body has taken so much abuse to their body that by the time they get paid they only have a few years if that left at playing at a high level.

Cowfan75 · Jan 17, 2022

Kingofholland said:
There was no reason to pay Jaylon at the time. We paid Zeke too earlier, but he cashed in just at the right time. He was the focal point of the offense and not having him out there would inhibit the team. Jerry probably had flashbacks of starting 0-2 as he played hardball with Emmitt.

For Amari he had larger offers on the table and the Cowboys pretty much paid him what the market dictated. I guess they could have traded him or used the franchise tag if they didn't use it on another player. However, hard to fault them after just trading for him.

In regards to Dak these QB contracts are brutal and they did overpay. But what were the realistic alternatives at the time? I do feel they could have played a little harder ball, but think about the Football Team situation with Cousins. He was one of the better QBs they've had in recent years and they're still looking for a replacement.

Jaylon and D-Law. No reason to pay Smith when they did, and Lawrence was dropping off during his contract year, plus he got injured, and they STILL broke the bank for him.

TheHerd · Jan 17, 2022

fivetwos said:
Yep but they think they are ahead of the game because they don't overpay for other teams players.

We overpay average players we drafted instead of paying market price for elite free agents. Other teams make a case by case call. It's hard to say what is best, but the Rams have the most talent in the league and the Bucs are right behind them.

HeavyBarrel · Jan 17, 2022

But if you pay an “average player” a lot of money then maybe that player is actually good (because after all he’s being paid so much) and if that’s the case then your GM must be doing something right…….Right?

Tabascocat · Jan 17, 2022

Just wait until they overpay Diggs and the INT’s stop coming……….

chasecooley5308 · Jan 17, 2022

Tabascocat said:
Just wait until they overpay Diggs and the INT’s stop coming……….

lol yep we all know its coming!

Plankton · Jan 17, 2022

snadler said:
guess what? The jags made it to a conference championship more recently than this loser franchise, boys just do it in front of the world..

They have been in three championship games since the last time the Cowboys were in one. So have the Jets.

VaqueroTD · Jan 17, 2022

links18 said:
It's what the Jones Boyz do.....

It’s how we roll….

CATCH17 · Jan 17, 2022

rocyaice said:
So what do you recommend? Be like the Jaguars and don't pay your guys and just suck every year? At the end of the day all of those guys outplayed their contracts. Dak got paid 500k a year and played well enough to get a new deal. Same goes for Jaylon. The deals flopped. Oh well. Its the least of this teams issues....

They would be in a better situation going forward had they not paid Dak.

TheDude · Jan 17, 2022

ChronicCowboy said:
This offense looks almost identical to how we looked under Garrett with Dak. Nothing has changed. Kellen Moore keeps calling the same plays and Dak keeps executing them inconsistently. I’m not sure MM has changed anything since he’s been here. I think we’d have seen the same results with Garrett.

At some point, no matter how innovative your offense is, if you a RB that can't run, a QB who can't read coverage and holds the ball forever, it is a moot point. You may fool teams early in the season, but if you can't execute a play that looks like a previous one because of the defense, it isnt coaching

Ben7 · Jan 18, 2022

mooseq said:
Won’t be long before fans start booing Dak and his 40 million

lol

Ben7 · Jan 18, 2022

snadler said:
One thing this franchise has done the last 26 years is to reward failure especially on the coaching front now with Fat Mike returning to waste another season, and then overpaying average talent with superstar money, Dak, zeke, Cooper, jaylon Smith etc..

TheMarathonContinues · Jan 18, 2022

CATCH17 said:
They would be in a better situation going forward had they not paid Dak.

Yeah because Jaguars were so great this year lol......that's what you guys fail to realize...if you didn't give the money to Dak all you would've did was give it to Lawrence, Jaylon, LVE, Zeke, etc. lol. You think Jerry gonna just pocket the money lol? If Dak didn't get the 40 million guess who would've got it? Byron Jones and LVE. :laugh:

Probably have Cooper Rush get some of it too.

shabazz · Jan 18, 2022

Tabascocat said:
Just wait until they overpay Diggs and the INT’s stop coming……….

…..perhaps the big pass plays given up may also stop coming too…

cowboysdoomsday · Jan 18, 2022

snadler said:
One thing this franchise has done the last 26 years is to reward failure especially on the coaching front now with Fat Mike returning to waste another season, and then overpaying average talent with superstar money, Dak, zeke, Cooper, jaylon Smith etc..

Just waiting for them to make Randy Gregory one of the highest paid ends in the league.

He was horrendous in the biggest game of the year.

Jerry stuck by him through everything since they drafted him. Same as he did with Zeke.

Jake · Jan 18, 2022

Plankton said:
(The Jaguars) have been in three championship games since the last time the Cowboys were in one. So have the Jets.

The Texans have twice as many playoff wins as the Cowboys over the last 25 years. :facepalm:

They've only been in existence for 20 of those years.

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