Prescott and Romo

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Tommy said:
If Witten, Owens and Dez spent their careers with Dak Prescott throwing to them then none of them would be close to HOF consideration.
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LOL.

Yet Dalton Freaking Schultz had 78 catches, 800+ yards and 8 tds this year...lol Dak definitely wouldn't know what to do with a prime Witten...LOL.

Amari Cooper had his best seasons in his career with Dak, but don't worry, Tommy says Dak wouldn't know what to do with a dominant walking mismatch like TO....Hahahahahahaha
 
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Ken said:
Another one that struggles with simple statements.
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*who struggles

Ken said:
I never said Dez and TO played together....????
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That's what you're going to latch onto? I guess when you got nothing...

Ken said:
Dak got Witten and Dez on the twilight of their careers, NOT their prime like Romo had.
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Dez was only in the twilight of his career because he was never a good route runner- even when Tony was carving up the league with him. Hell, he was only 29 years old when they cut him so you can't even say he was physically declining. Tony worked with him to make the connections they made, despite his sloppy routes. The fact you even bring him up as evidence of Tony's supporting talent just shows you have no idea Tony made Dez Bryant.

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I'm well aware of Demarco's and Zeke's careers...but the fact remains that Demarco had a historic rushing season (offensive player of the year!!!!) in Romo's best year. Zeke has put up better-counting numbers than Demarco but it is because he has been fed the ball too much if anything. We finally changed our offensive philosophy in 2014 to protect Romo and run the wheels off Demarco for FA.
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Again- you're completely discounting Romo's effect on Murray's production and the fact he did nothing without him.

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Actually slightly shocked looking at the defensive rankings during Dak's career...they ARE much higher than probably anyone would guess. Smoke and mirrors is the best way to describe that anamoly.
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It's not smoke and mirrors- it's evidence that you live in a football bubble, have no sense of proportion, and criticize the rest of the team in a way you won't criticize the QB.
 
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Ken said:
Ya, would love to see what Dak would do throwing to prime TO and Witten on the field together.

The closest comparable duo to those two is Kelce and Hill in KC.
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You just lost your football card with that statement. Wow.

I mean... maybe raw numbers are similar? But those 4 guys couldn't be more different in style.
 
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Dez was only in the twilight of his career because he was never a good route runner- even when Tony was carving up the league with him. Hell, he was only 29 years old when they cut him so you can't even say he was physically declining. Tony worked with him to make the connections they made, despite his sloppy routes. The fact you even bring him up as evidence of Tony's supporting talent just shows you have no idea Tony made Dez Bryant.



Again- you're completely discounting Romo's effect on Murray's production and the fact he did nothing without him.



It's not smoke and mirrors- it's evidence that you live in a football bubble, have no sense of proportion, and criticize the rest of the team in a way you won't criticize the QB.
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*got rid of your dodges

I know very well what Dez was...he was a dominant big play/red zone type of player. I have no doubt that Romo helped to make him better. Having said that, you just proved my point even more and one that I argued for years, Dez wasn't a good route runner and he athleticism was muted after his ankle injury in 2015. Do you remember that? Was never remotely the same after that. So having a player that is now on his downside and then also highly specialized as a rookie qb, you can understand why he didn't connect with Dez how Romo did in 2016. 2017 Dez was horrible...then out of the league. If he was SOOO good...why did no one want him?

Uhhhh....Demarco had 1300 yards with Marcus Mariota at QB....you have no point.
 
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Haimerej said:
You just lost your football card with that statement. Wow.

I mean... maybe raw numbers are similar? But those 4 guys couldn't be more different in style.
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Jesuusss you guys.

Show me a better current duo that compares to TO and Witten?

To and Hill are similar in that they get separation and make huge YAC. Witten and Kelce are similar in that they were both all pros and moved the chains. I realize that Kelce is 10xs the YAC player that Witten was...:facepalm:
 
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Ken said:
*got rid of your dodges

I know very well what Dez was...he was a dominant big play/red zone type of player. I have no doubt that Romo helped to make him better. Having said that, you just proved my point even more and one that I argued for years, Dez wasn't a good route runner and he athleticism was muted after his ankle injury in 2015. Do you remember that? Was never remotely the same after that. So having a player that is now on his downside and then also highly specialized as a rookie qb, you can understand why he didn't connect with Dez how Romo did in 2016. 2017 Dez was horrible...then out of the league. If he was SOOO good...why did no one want him?

Uhhhh....Demarco had 1300 yards with Marcus Mariota at QB....you have no point.
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Let me add emphasis so you might get it-

You brought up Dez as an example of Romo being surrounded with better talent, not me. Now you're undermining your own argument by agreeing with what I said about Dez. Now you're acting like it was his ankle injury and not his all around sloppiness that kept him from getting another job. Guess he had one of those ankle injuries that just never heal.

Tell me- which primary target of Dak's is known for running poor routes and having a limited route tree?

Now you talk about Demarco getting 1300 yards in TEN. Wow... that's 3 total seasons over 1,000 yards. Only took him 6 years and nearly 300 carries to do it. Zeke did that in 3 years, but obviously, Murray's single great season with Tony playing at an MVP level means Murray is better than Zeke.
 
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You can’t compare the 2.

Dak could win a Super Bowl. He still doesn’t have the skill to throw a football and read a defense like Romo does.


Is he a better leader than Romo? Sure.. Better intangibles? Sure.

But as far as the natural ability to fling a football you can’t compare them.
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How is Dak a better leader? What intangibles show up on the field that are better?

is a leader a guy who gets in the huddle before the game and screams and yells to fire up the team?

Leadership means squat. Is Rodgers a "Leader?"

Hell, Eli wasnt much of a leader.

One could argue that Dak has had better support around him in almost every year of his career. I dont ever remember Romo having a defense like we had this year. The one year Romo finally had a top running game, his defense stunk.
 
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Ken said:
Jesuusss you guys.

Show me a better current duo that compares to TO and Witten?

To and Hill are similar in that they get separation and make huge YAC. Witten and Kelce are similar in that they were both all pros and moved the chains. I realize that Kelce is 10xs the YAC player that Witten was...:facepalm:
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Alright, you were talking numbers and not styles. No issues. Maybe Gronk and Evans?
 
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Let me add emphasis so you might get it-

You brought up Dez as an example of Romo being surrounded with better talent, not me. Now you're undermining your own argument by agreeing with what I said about Dez. Now you're acting like it was his ankle injury and not his all around sloppiness that kept him from getting another job. Guess he had one of those ankle injuries that just never heal.

Tell me- which primary target of Dak's is known for running poor routes and having a limited route tree?

Now you talk about Demarco getting 1300 yards in TEN. Wow... that's 3 total seasons over 1,000 yards. Only took him 6 years and nearly 300 carries to do it. Zeke did that in 3 years, but obviously, Murray's single great season with Tony playing at an MVP level means Murray is better than Zeke.
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It is amazing that you think you are making a point here. Dez was a TD machine, he high pointed the ball like no other. He was never a burner, so when that ankle injury slowed him a bit...he was even less usefull.

I would argue that CeeDee is pretty limited with his poor route running but not nearly in the same category as Dez. I will say...which primary target of Dak's is known for dominating in the red zone?

Demarco struggled with injuries his first two years...otherwise he would have had more. You do realize Zeke just got his 4th 1000 yard season right? And we had to get a wheelchair out for him to get it against backups.

Demarco's single great season came behind a stud OL and that we fed him to protect the brittle Romo. Those are the facts of that season. If Tony had an MVP type season (which i think he did btw), why did Demarco win OPY?
 
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Haimerej said:
Alright, you were talking numbers and not styles. No issues. Maybe Gronk and Evans?
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Ya, that is actually a better comparison. Thank you.

Gronk still is probably the better Red Zone threat but at this point a good comp. TO more explosive than Mike but body types and production similar.
 
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Just for the hell of it let's compare them both to Aikman
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TheMightyVanHalen said:
Hey I like that comeback. ;)

No matter where Owens played he made that QB look good. Witten and Dez would've did the same. Especially Witten.

But I hate talking hypothetical so I won't. Like when Barry Sanders supporters says that if he traded places with Emmitt, Barry would've been the greatest and Emmitt would've been a JAG. It's impossible to know that. We do know that early in both Romo's and Dak's NFL career, Romo had better coaches. And it's not even close!

I'm replying to so many here I might get posters confused. If you didn't say in another post that Garrett ruined Romo's career, (because you could also say that about Dak) please disregard that last part because it had nothing to do with your thoughts in this thread.
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Ha...I dig Mr. TheMightyVanHalen.

My..comeback....has to do with I do believe Romo elevated receiver play. Granted, Owens had success. Witten and Dez are unknown. I'll give Witten the pass at raiders ...just because.

So few receivers had success elsewhere...I stand on firm ground. The best shot was Miles...and....injuries or not...a flame out.

I do not believe Dak has the same touch about it. Dak is throwing to some pretty good WR....not Patrick Crayton or Sam Hurd. And having trouble at times....to my eyes.

Not entirely his fault...the team has some systemic dysfunction. But some throws you just GOT to make to help your case! The O.T one on Thanksgiving Day...for example.
 
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Ken said:
It is amazing that you think you are making a point here. Dez was a TD machine, he high pointed the ball like no other. He was never a burner, so when that ankle injury slowed him a bit...he was even less usefull.

I would argue that CeeDee is pretty limited with his poor route running but not nearly in the same category as Dez. I will say...which primary target of Dak's is known for dominating in the red zone?
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Which target? Dez.

Currently? Cooper. Even Gallup and Schultz have done well in the redzone.

But why did Dez have his lowest TD total since his rookie year in 2016? If all you had to do was throw it up to him, why couldn't Dak figure that out with consistency? Why was Dez scapegoated in 2017? I mean, Tony made it work to a Pro Bowl level.

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Demarco struggled with injuries his first two years...otherwise he would have had more. You do realize Zeke just got his 4th 1000 yard season right? And we had to get a wheelchair out for him to get it against backups.
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Part of what makes a good player is availability. You can't point to a guy sitting on the bench and say, "See? Romo's surrounded with better talent."

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Demarco's single great season came behind a stud OL and that we fed him to protect the brittle Romo. Those are the facts of that season. If Tony had an MVP type season (which i think he did btw), why did Demarco win OPY?
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Because he deserved it?

I think you're derailing a little bit. No one is arguing that 2014 wasn't a stellar year. The argument is 2014 wasn't representative of what they were putting out there during Romo's career. Sure, for 1 season Romo had great production from his surrounding cast. To extrapolate that to his career and act as though he had it better than Dak because of 1 season is the revisionism you're accusing others of doing.
 
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These guys careers are going on the same path. Both are very similar in talent. Neither was elite, but are top 7 type QB's. Neither one will probably ever have the team around then necessary to win it all. Its really like a mirror image of one another.

I must say that Romo was more hindered with Garrett.
 
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