People talk about culture to the point of overkill

BourbonBalz said:

No, I can just separate his role as owner from that of GM, which he should not be. That doesn’t change the fact he’s a good owner. I can see the trees and the forest. If you want to look at the single fact the he hasn’t hired someone else to be the GM makes him a failure as an owner, more power to you. There’s much more to being an owner than that and he excels at all the other stuff. Believe me, I’d LOVE it if he’d hire someone and just stick to being the owner, but again, I can separate the two. Obviously you can’t and that’s OK.

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Sydla said:

He won a SB a decade ago. Since then, he fizzled out.

If you think he's a good coach, have at it. You'll end up like all those Garrett fans who kept believing he was the one.

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Ken said:

Pretty sure I stated i didn't want him and want him gone. I am just saying he is a "real" coach...not a figurehead.

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BourbonBalz said:

No, I can just separate his role as owner from that of GM, which he should not be. That doesn’t change the fact he’s a good owner. I can see the trees and the forest. If you want to look at the single fact the he hasn’t hired someone else to be the GM makes him a failure as an owner, more power to you. There’s much more to being an owner than that and he excels at all the other stuff. Believe me, I’d LOVE it if he’d hire someone and just stick to being the owner, but again, I can separate the two. Obviously you can’t and that’s OK.

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Sydla said:

You can't really separate the two beause it's the same guy.

Put it this way. Let's say Robert Kraft kept the same GM for 25 years and that GM produced like 8 playoff appearances and 3 playoff wins in that entire 25 year period. Would you view Robert Kraft as a good owner? Of course not.

Jerry is fantastic at the business side of things. But that gets covered over by the fact he's kept the current football infrastructure in place that has resulted in 25 year of futility. A great owner is an owner that recognizes his franchise's issues and problems and looks to rectify them in order to produce a winner.

The biggest issue facing this franchise for 25 years has been the people running the football operations. And yet Jerry changes nothing because it's still him and his kid calling all the shots.

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Sydla said:

But honestly, watching the Cowboys of the last few weeks, it's clear there is a culture problem of some sorts.

A team that has a strong leader, whether players or a HC, doesn't turn into a bunch of whiners about officiating. But I don't think I have ever seen a team whine as much about officiating over a 2-3 week period as much as this team, culminating in their "star" QB stupidly saying that he was OK with fans throwing things at the officials. Sure, he probably doesn't mean it and upon reflection he probably realizes it was dumb, but in that moment he clearly was whining about officiating.

The team didn't lose against Arizona due to officiating. They didn't lose to the 49ers because of officiating.

They lost because their run game was anemic in both games. They lost because there were constant breakdowns along the OL. They lost because their QB simply didn't play well and was missing guys. They dropped passes. They missed blocks. They had stupid, brain dead penalties.

That's why they lost. But in moments like this, you see the soul, the makeup of the team when you lose and one of the battle cries is the officials, especially in a game where frankly, almost all those penalties were the right call.

In many cases, one could purge this kind of excuse making with a HC changing, a flame thrower to the staff to send a message. But unfortunately, this is a culture grown by the GM/owner. He's self-entitled and pampers these guys so the team, save for some exceptions, operates the same way.

It's shame because honestly, I think there is a framework here that a real GM and a real HC could work with. But like other teams in the past that had the pieces that just needed a touch here and a direction from a quality coaching staff, this team is just going to keep doing what they always do. Spit the bit in big games and then think it was everyone else's fault but theirs.

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BourbonBalz said:

Yeah, you can. If you judge him as an owner solely on the fact that he placed himself as the GM, that’s fine. That’s your opinion. I’m also considering all of the other stuff that he excels at. That by no means indicates I like him or that I’m overlooking his failures as GM. It just means I’m also considering everything else. You guys can do otherwise. I don’t really care.

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BourbonBalz said:

Jerry is a great owner. GM? Not so much. There’s the problem.

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Sydla said:

And if you want to drill further, Jerry the Hirer of Coaches, is the biggest fraud in the entire organization. There is nothing more that he sucks at than hiring coaches.

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BourbonBalz said:

Jerry is a great owner. GM? Not so much. There’s the problem.

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Jake said:

A great owner doesn't keep a piss poor front office making player personnel decisions for 26 years. A self-absorbed egomaniac owner overlooks results on the field because it's just too much fun to play fantasy football with his son. Besides, there's always someone else he can fire. That is Jerry Jones.

The Cowboys Forbes value doesn't mean a damn thing to me as a fan. Jerry the owner is directly responsible for the pitiful Jets, Jags, and Texans having more playoff wins in the last 25 years than the once-proud Dallas Cowboys. Nothing about that suggests "great" owner to me.

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Sydla said:

But at the end of the day, owners are largely judged based on the results they produce on the field.

Again, if Robert Kraft, who has been influential in the growth of the league like Jerry, had kept the same GM for 25 years with only 3 playoff wins over those 25 years, no sane person would call him a great owner. If Jerry Jones the owner can't see the repeated failures of the GM he hired, then Jerry Jones isn't as good an owner as he could be.

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Playmaker3128 said:

To me it’s about perception.

You don’t think players subconsciously think this franchise is a joke? Not only players that are here… but opposing ones as well. What about officials? You think it’s easier to throw a flag against MM than bill belicheck? Of course cause the refs are scared of BB.

There is no credibility in this organization. People laugh at us. You need a leader to change that. Then people will be forced to believe… the players will buy in. Until then it’ll be more of the same

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Gameover said:

The Cowboys GM is not the problem.

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Gameover said:

The Cowboys GM is not the problem.

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Gameover said:

Front office is far from piss poor. Top 5 in the sport actually

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Gameover said:

Belichik got beat down 41-17. I wouldn’t go bragging about Belichik

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