Offensive line shuffle

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For the life of me I cannot understand why our offensive line wasn’t as follows. Tyron Smith (LT) L. Collins (LG) Biadash (C) Martin (RG) and T. Steele (RT) those were the best 5 Linemen and would’ve had much better success in my opinion. What do you guys think?
 

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Believe there's a legitimate question of whether the best 5 included Connor Williams. Believe there's also a legitimate lack of actual, solid insight into whether it didn't... we don't see what they see in practice... and no one's asked any of us to be a line coach, an OC or a HC, so the idea that any of us have some reason to believe ours is a superior insight and reasoning, that's just bluster and a petty lack of intellectual humility talkin. Speculation is fine as long as it's understood as just that.

Regardless, I don't think we need to replace the HC, nor the OC, nor anyone else... the simplest explanation for why we're not still playing is, imo, the best one... we simply didn't have consistency of push nor protection at LG and C, and worse, the penalty situation at LG specifically was, of course, damning.

That was a player problem.

Perhaps it may have been resolved with moving La'el. Maybe. Maybe not. Perhaps it may have been resolved before the trade deadline. Maybe. Maybe not.

And now, the roster unavoidably is going to take a severe flip between now and game one of 2022, so it's not even necessarily so simple to resolve for 2022 given the other potential areas of need.

But the point remains... the failure to advance in the 2021-22 playoffs can be mostly attributed to the failure to remedy that one place on the depth chart.
 

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For the life of me I cannot understand why our offensive line wasn’t as follows. Tyron Smith (LT) L. Collins (LG) Biadash (C) Martin (RG) and T. Steele (RT) those were the best 5 Linemen and would’ve had much better success in my opinion. What do you guys think?
Agreed with everyone, except for the Center. I would have benched Biadasz and tried out Farniok. I truly believe Farniok could have played better.

Watch the 4th quarter and watch Farniok #68 compared to Biadasz #63 (the first 3 quarters):

 

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For the life of me I cannot understand why our offensive line wasn’t as follows. Tyron Smith (LT) L. Collins (LG) Biadash (C) Martin (RG) and T. Steele (RT) those were the best 5 Linemen and would’ve had much better success in my opinion. What do you guys think?
Tape maybe! If I remember correctly he wasn’t all that great at gaurd, there were multiple post here wanting to bench him or move him prior to being injured. The improvement at the position was markedly better after he became hurt and Learhy took over. He’s also been a mentally weak player going back to his days at LSU… his suspension was just a continuation of that history. So first, how effective can he be being reinserted into a position he hasn’t played or practiced in 5 years and 2nd… he pushed for the tackle position because he wanted the higher pay scale… how would he mentally handle going back gaurd? Personally, I’ve had to here about this player basically underachieving going back to his LSU days when every other call in on LSU sports radio was someone complaining about him… fun hour commute to work. He has a bit more trade value as a tackle than left gaurd… if nothing else they should have left him there just for that purpose. Time to move on… Bengals need a shiney new protector for Burrow!
 

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The Cowboys coaches for whatever reason always seem to lock-in on players and their positions.
I dunno about this. It seemed to me that our 2021 coaching staff was perhaps the most position-flexible staff I can remember us having in many years. Lots of guys changed positions. Lots. Lots of guys got asked to step outside their normal positional roles and do other stuff.

Safeties were playing linebacker and corner. Linebackers were playing d-line and roaming in coverage in the secondary. There was that whole Conner-to-center wet dream that we kept indulging long past the point where his inability to snap a football made it clear it wasn't viable. We had a WR who we kept scheming ways for him to throw the ball, sometimes as a forward-passer and sometimes as a lateral-passer. We were playing spare o-linemen at fullback and TE and WR.

I think our coaching staff was absolutely open to exploring and exploiting positional flexibility.

I think it was just certain entrenched veterans who were too selfish to keep an open mind about it -- Zack Martin types who obviously dug in their heels and didn't want to change their routine even if it could help the team.
 

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For the life of me I cannot understand why our offensive line wasn’t as follows. Tyron Smith (LT) L. Collins (LG) Biadash (C) Martin (RG) and T. Steele (RT) those were the best 5 Linemen and would’ve had much better success in my opinion. What do you guys think?

When they had Steele playing with Martin on the right side, they began to mesh well and seemed to be working on that side. As for the left side, CWilliams just never solved his penalty problems and got manhandled, and we all know TSmith and his penchant for missing games. No adequate backup for him, Steele didn't play as well on that side. Biadezsh is only average to below average as a center. Needs better technique to not get knocked onto Dak's lap,. Collins is garbage period...too inconsistent and unfocused.
Other than that, all cool. We got Alarcon and Ball coming. :)
 

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I think our offensive line is much better than most of the other playoff teams.
I don’t. I was in awe of the 49ers offensive line. They were flawless. I saw it again against Green Bay. They would get to the second level and block the linebackers. No one missed assigned blocks.
Our pass blocking got progressively worse as the season went on. Dak could not get comfortable. The run blocking was no better. Of course it didn’t help that our running back had a torn ligament and was obviously slow out of the backfield.
I’d fire Philbin. Offensive line regressed and it is not acceptable.
 

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I don’t. I was in awe of the 49ers offensive line. They were flawless. I saw it again against Green Bay. They would get to the second level and block the linebackers. No one missed assigned blocks.
Our pass blocking got progressively worse as the season went on. Dak could not get comfortable. The run blocking was no better. Of course it didn’t help that our running back had a torn ligament and was obviously slow out of the backfield.
I’d fire Philbin. Offensive line regressed and it is not acceptable.
:hammer::hammer:

Matt Farniok should have been put in place of Biadasz. 4th quarter performance shows Farniok #68 executing as a Center should. Similar to how the 49ers Oline has been performing.



Philbin needs to go.
 
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