Is Dak’s accuracy related to too much muscle?

mattjames2010 · Jan 26, 2022

Ken said:
68.8%

That's not as impressive as it used to be. Cousins and Carr have seasons like this as well.

Bigdog · Jan 26, 2022

CouchCoach said:
Might be onto something there, ever looked at Brady or Rodgers' arms? Brady's wife has more muscle in her arms. Drew Brees has little girl arms.

Brady was never a physical speciemen when he came out. They thought he was going to get killed in the NFL.

Croomraider · Jan 26, 2022

I don't know about too much muscle but he definitely needs to work on his touch pass this offseason. He was throwing some 90mph slants over the middle, behind the wideouts, which never ends well. Finesse.

ConstantReboot · Jan 26, 2022

3rdEyewarrior said:
He reminds me of mcnabb. Maybe he could pass from more angles with less weight. I also think cooper needs to drop 10 pounds.

I think he just needs to learn how to plant his feet, aim and place the ball where he wants it to go. I hate when he scrambles then jump up in the air to throw a pass. It causes the football to be inaccurate at times.

Ken · Jan 26, 2022

mattjames2010 said:
That's not as impressive as it used to be. Cousins and Carr have seasons like this as well.

It is impressive enough for 4th in the league and it really is 3rd bc Murray had about a 100 less attempts.

Burrow
Rodgers
Prescott

PAPPYDOG · Jan 26, 2022

3rdEyewarrior said:
He reminds me of mcnabb. Maybe he could pass from more angles with less weight. I also think cooper needs to drop 10 pounds.

Tim Tebow.....with weaker running ability.
Uses his upper body strength to throw and his mechanics/footwork are probably the worst in the NFL!
P.S.Kinda of gets stupid when pressured....panic stupid!

nalam · Jan 26, 2022

mardwin said:
His weight is not an issue, he looks pretty in shape. He has never been the most accurate QB and has bad mechanics.

Thats right his mechanics are not natural, he worked at it and got better thro’ the years, but when pressured he loses composure and goes back to street ball ( LOL). …

Wolfpack · Jan 26, 2022

It’s his footwork. It’s always been below average.

cowboyec · Jan 26, 2022

he's added more muscle from his rookie year...but the accuracy issues from time to time are sloppy foot work.

mattjames2010 · Jan 26, 2022

Ken said:
It is impressive enough for 4th in the league and it really is 3rd bc Murray had about a 100 less attempts.

Burrow
Rodgers
Prescott

As I said, it's not as impressive when middling QBs have also had stats like that in recent years. This isn't 2005 anymore.

So just a quick look

Carr - 68.4%
Mac Jones - 67.8%

Both right below Prescott with 500+ pass attempts. Carr actually threw more passes, so his completion percentage is more "impressive" here. Even Kirk Cousins had 66.3%. Middling QBs have high completion % now. It's not much to write home about.

Ken · Jan 26, 2022

mattjames2010 said:
As I said, it's not as impressive when middling QBs have also had stats like that in recent years. This isn't 2005 anymore.

So just a quick look

Carr - 68.4%
Mac Jones - 67.8%

Carr actually threw more passes, so his completion percentage is more "impressive" here. Even Kirk Cousins had 66.3%. Middling QBs have high completion % now. It's not much to write home about.

Yes, but only people who have zero clue try and say someone who was 4th in the league at something is bad at it.

Unless we go into make believe mode and pretend he is one of the worst qbs in the league...and then it makes so much more sense.

Vtwin · Jan 26, 2022

Ken said:
68.8%

53.4% in the playoff game.

mattjames2010 · Jan 26, 2022

Ken said:
Yes, but only people who have zero clue try and say someone who was 4th in the league at something is bad at it.

Unless we go into make believe mode and pretend he is one of the worst qbs in the league...and then it makes so much more sense.

No they don't, I'm showing you that you can have accuracy issues but still have a high completion % in the modern NFL. Cousins, Carr, and especially Mac Jones ALL have question marks in this regard.

Modern NFL and schemes have allowed WRs to get more space, bigger window for QBs to throw in. I remember Tom Brady a couple years ago talking about this compared to the first few years of his career.

blueblood70 · Jan 26, 2022

HUH!!! LMAO :lmao2:

threads keep getting dumber by the day

RonnieT24 · Jan 26, 2022

mattjames2010 said:
That's not as impressive as it used to be. Cousins and Carr have seasons like this as well.

They both play in WCO derivatives which always feature shorter throws and thus inflate completion percentages and passer rating of guys. Cousins figured out how to game the system to some degree by always throwing the ball away instead of trying to make a play which resulted in almost no interceptions.. but also not nearly as many wins.. Carr on the other hand DOES occasionally try to make a play and thus throws way more interceptions than Cousins.. Neither of them are bums.. but nor is either of them as good as Dak. Dak had no accuracy issues before the calf injury. That's an irrefutable fact. He was completing 75% of his passes at over 8 yards per attempt. Dude was ballin. Yes his accuracy as well as the rest of his game fell off after that and to me it all comes down to mechanics. Once those got out of whack he was hit or miss too often. He's simply not as natural a thrower as some other guys so he REALLY needs that constant work on his footwork and arm angles to stay proficient. The injury took that away from him.. McCarthy even mentioned there were times when they held him out of the "QB school" portions of practice to preserve him.. Bad idea..

Blackrain · Jan 26, 2022

Hawkeye19 said:
IMO… it’s not accuracy that is the issue. It’s Dak’s lack of anticipation that is more the problem.

Throws have to be “on schedule” in the NFL. We hear about QBs “throwing WRs open.” It’s because they throw to a spot and anticipate exactly where the WR will be on the field— and when he will be there.

I think Dak struggles with delivering the ball on time because he doesn’t trust what he is seeing fully. If he doesn’t see a guy “open” then he holds the ball—- vs throwing to a spot and trusting his guy will be there.

To the observer— it looks like Dak is not accurate because passes are “off target.” Yes— they are off target. But is it because Dak can’t place a ball where he wants it (physical talent issue) or because he is holding the ball and his timing/anticipation is off (awareness/mentality issue)?

I suppose it could be a bit of both— but to me, Dak hesitates too much and is off schedule with his WRs. If they aren’t exactly where they are supposed to be as route runners— then they obviously share some of the blame as well

Excellent analysis Dak looks very tentative when he throws
Not sure what is causing this if it's his vision and anticipation of where to throw the ball or his trust in his receivers but it is definitely a problem.

Physically I think he's more than capable of putting the ball anywhere he wants it.

mattjames2010 · Jan 26, 2022

RonnieT24 said:
They both play in WCO derivatives which always feature shorter throws and thus inflate completion percentages and passer rating of guys. Cousins figured out how to game the system to some degree by always throwing the ball away instead of trying to make a play which resulted in almost no interceptions.. but also not nearly as many wins.. Carr on the other hand DOES occasionally try to make a play and thus throws way more interceptions than Cousins.. Neither of them are bums.. but nor is either of them as good as Dak. Dak had no accuracy issues before the calf injury. That's an irrefutable fact. He was completing 75% of his passes at over 8 yards per attempt. Dude was ballin. Yes his accuracy as well as the rest of his game fell off after that and to me it all comes down to mechanics. Once those got out of whack he was hit or miss too often. He's simply not as natural a thrower as some other guys so he REALLY needs that constant work on his footwork and arm angles to stay proficient. The injury took that away from him.. McCarthy even mentioned there were times when they held him out of the "QB school" portions of practice to preserve him.. Bad idea..

Cousins averages around the same as Prescott in terms of yards per completion. So unless you can show me his WRs doing all the work, I'm going to say it's not that big of a difference scheme wise.

Bullflop · Jan 26, 2022

Dak is capable of delivering an accurate ball if his OL allows good time to deliver it.

Otherwise, he'll oftentimes tighten up and become wildly inaccurate.

I do believe he mainly lacks confidence in his delivery.

Without an excellent OL, he appears lost.

dckid · Jan 26, 2022

mardwin said:
His weight is not an issue, he looks pretty in shape. He has never been the most accurate QB and has bad mechanics.

How can we find out who is Josh Allen training with? Allen was highly inaccurate and somehow the one thing that no one believed can change, actually did change.

goshann · Jan 26, 2022

MountaineerCowboy said:
Really?

He seems more out of shape and less athletic now.

in camp everyone was saying he looked leaner. He was asked a question in a press conference and he said he hasn’t changed anything but maybe it’s due to just getting older. The guy is a physical specimen … he is in great shape. He is definitely bulky for a QB but it isn’t fat

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