Is Dak’s accuracy related to too much muscle?

CouchCoach said:

Might be onto something there, ever looked at Brady or Rodgers' arms? Brady's wife has more muscle in her arms. Drew Brees has little girl arms.

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As long as that is where it stops at the arms.

Hawkeye19 said:

To the observer— it looks like Dak is not accurate because passes are “off target.” Yes— they are off target.

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I agree with your post however I would counter a little. He is the only "pro" QB I have ever seen who struggles to throw the wide receiver screen or to RB's in the flat. I mean he is consistently off target which is one contributing factor to why we are the worst receiver screen team in the league.

If he commits to the throw & can rifle the pass (meaning get his whole body into it), he tends to throw pretty accurately regardless of where the ball is going. If he is throwing at less than 100% velocity, he seems to have no consistency. Which is why I have always said that he isn't a natural thrower. Guys who could always throw have the innate feel for syncing up their motion to their target.

atlantacowboy said:

I think now the we've seen 6 seasons of him, we just need to accept that he's not HOF caliber or even a pro bowl caliber QB. He's never going to be the kind of QB who makes everyone around him better and that has nothing to do with his physical ability to throw a football.

There is an "it" factor at the QB position that is hard to quantify and measure. It is the thing that made Troy Aikman so much better than other 6'4 225 lb Qbs. Physical attributes only get you so far as a QB. The rest is intangible. Whatever "it" is, Dak doesn't have it.

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Why do people want to always reference Troy Aikman and comparing him to Dak?

Troy was blessed with a talented oline that can protect him, Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin and a good defense.

Dak has no running game, Zeke has not been a factor, his oline can't protect him, and the defense in the beginning of the year wasn't that good.

Troy Aikman was a great QB. But he was blessed with a ton of talent and a very good team. And most of the time he just handed the ball off to Emmitt Smith.

atlantacowboy said:

There is an "it" factor at the QB position that is hard to quantify and measure. It is the thing that made Troy Aikman so much better than other 6'4 225 lb Qbs. Physical attributes only get you so far as a QB. The rest is intangible. Whatever "it" is, Dak doesn't have it.

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This idea of the "it" factor may be true, but Aikman's accuracy was "other wordly". According to Norv Turner there were literally days of practices where the ball never hit the ground.

ConstantReboot said:

Why do people want to always reference Troy Aikman and comparing him to Dak?

Troy was blessed with a talented oline that can protect him, Emmitt Smith, Michael Irvin and a good defense.

Dak has no running game, Zeke has not been a factor, his oline can't protect him, and the defense in the beginning of the year wasn't that good.

Troy Aikman was a great QB. But he was blessed with a ton of talent and a very good team. And most of the time he just handed the ball off to Emmitt Smith.

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So you are saying Dak and Troy are the same QB? Are you saying that if Dak played on the teams Troy did he would win three SB's?

SultanOfSix said:

This idea of the "it" factor may be true, but Aikman's accuracy was "other wordly". According to Norv Turner there were literally days of practices where the ball never hit the ground.

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Remember that story about in the locker room a player put a Coke can on his head and told Troy to knock it off the top of his head from 20-30 feet away and he nailed it.

mardwin said:

His weight is not an issue, he looks pretty in shape. He has never been the most accurate QB and has bad mechanics.

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His arm and head are the issue, not his size.

McKDaddy said:

I agree with your post however I would counter a little. He is the only "pro" QB I have ever seen who struggles to throw the wide receiver screen or to RB's in the flat. I mean he is consistently off target which is one contributing factor to why we are the worst receiver screen team in the league.

If he commits to the throw & can rifle the pass (meaning get his whole body into it), he tends to throw pretty accurately regardless of where the ball is going. If he is throwing at less than 100% velocity, he seems to have no consistency. Which is why I have always said that he isn't a natural thrower. Guys who could always throw have the innate feel for syncing up their motion to their target.

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He seems to lack touch for sure… the great ones always have a “feel” for how to place and deliver the ball and make it as “catchable” as possible.

Dak doesn’t appear to have much touch or feel to his game

Cowfan75 said:

Maybe more muscle would prevent him from throwing into the ground on 7-yard routes.

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LOL, you will be getting a call out from Tad.

mattjames2010 said:

I didn't say Tampa was crap, I said the opener you can't take much away from it. That was his best performance in those 6 games - New Orleans also stomped Green Bay in week 1. Is that indicative to how the Packers played the rest of the year? Who is the most likely to win MVP?

This is such a low standard, that a dude beating up on crap teams is now MVP level.

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new england? that was bad? and you said tampa was his best performance? so not Giants or New england games?

and now you are changing the premise of the argument...what I said was that earlier in the year, the first 6 games he was playing at a very high level and was in the MVP discussions....but now you are saying that wasn't who is based on the last 10 games....after the fact...... looking into your crystal ball.

facts are that earlier in the year he was playing at a very high level, you want to say Tampa doesn't count, new england wasn't good early on, but forget about carolina as they ended up bad...your logic is all over the place and you multiple times have contradicted yourself.

and almost all of them played good teams, played bad teams in their first 6 or 7 games.... you play who you have on your schedule and you play crappy teams!? then you beat them up and that's what you are supposed to do. can't diminish the performance.

and by no means am I comparing Dak to any of the QB listed below...so don't even go there, but

Rodgers....laid and egg his first game against the saints, beat detroit, three teams were good...we know washington was a farce...
Burrows played chicago, jacksonville, lions and vikings and they barely beat some of them
Brady played a bad NE team (early in the year as you said, a bad dolphins team and atlanta

and we can go on for all other QBs and it will be similar.

again, there is absolutely no denying that in the first 6 games Dak was playing at a very high level....he did pretty bad the last 9-10 games, but at that point, after new england game you had no idea and expectations were he would continue.

Cboyfan4ever said:

His arm and head are the issue, not his size.

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I think Dak has been playing somewhat scared after his horrible injury, and when he came back from it he was good until the calf and shoulder strains, then he became fragile physically and mentally and talked a good game, "I'm a big Mutha....er" stuff to try and convince himself mentally.

Cowboysheelsreds053 said:

LOL, you will be getting a call out from Tad.

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lol...oh, he's reading this with smoke coming out of his big ears!

3rdEyewarrior said:

He reminds me of mcnabb. Maybe he could pass from more angles with less weight. I also think cooper needs to drop 10 pounds.

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Translation: Dak and Cooper are Fat

It's about feel for the throw. You can tell when he doesn't have it. As he has so often told us, he's got to be better.

5Stars said:

"I'm a big Mutha....er" stuff

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That is stupid, sad & funny at the same time. (the fact he would actually say that publicly.)
As they say, if you a bad Mutha people know without being told.

5Stars said:

Remember that story about in the locker room a player put a Coke can on his head and told Troy to knock it off the top of his head from 20-30 feet away and he nailed it.

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This is the first I've heard of it. That's impressive, but I still find what Norv said far more impressive. Troy's accuracy is what made the timing offense of the 90s teams so hard to stop because the ball left his arm before the receiver got to his spot and was there where it was supposed to be just after he did.

5Stars said:

So you are saying Dak and Troy are the same QB? Are you saying that if Dak played on the teams Troy did he would win three SB's?

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Never said that Dak and Troy are the same QB. However, Troy Aikman was surrounded with good talent and was carried by a running game that was hard to stop. He also had a coach that the only thing that mattered was winning at any cost.

Both Garrett and McCarthy doesn't seem to be at that level when it comes to wanting to win badly.

Jimmy would have no problem cutting players or benching them with poor play. I doubt our present coaching staff has even the power to do that.

SultanOfSix said:

This idea of the "it" factor may be true, but Aikman's accuracy was "other wordly". According to Norv Turner there were literally days of practices where the ball never hit the ground.

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My point was that these Qbs are more than just height and weight. This discussion about Dak improving accuracy if loses or gains some weight are absurd.

Aikman is a great example. He has prototypical size for a QB.......but so do a lot of guys. What makes him different? David Carr was 6'3 220 lbs.......super accurate. Whats the difference between him and Troy? Its nothing you can measure.

ConstantReboot said:

Never said that Dak and Troy are the same QB. However, Troy Aikman was surrounded with good talent and was carried by a running game that was hard to stop. He also had a coach that the only thing that mattered was winning at any cost.

Both Garrett and McCarthy doesn't seem to be at that level when it comes to wanting to win badly.

Jimmy would have no problem cutting players or benching them with poor play. I doubt our present coaching staff has even the power to do that.

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You just hit the nail on the head! The Coach...man, them be the days.

SultanOfSix said:

This is the first I've heard of it. That's impressive, but I still find what Norv said far more impressive. Troy's accuracy is what made the timing offense of the 90s teams so hard to stop because the ball left his arm before the receiver got to his spot and was there where it was supposed to be just after he did.

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Norv Turner's timing offense...and smart players, throw the ball where it is supposed to go and the DB has no clue and by the time the receiver is breaking out of his route the ball is there and the DB is not. That is how it should be, throw to a spot and don't wait until the receiver is going to the spot because then the DB follows. Crazy good times.