The big mistake of having paid the man

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Portnoy1 said:
I'm fine with Jerry paying Dak. QBs are not cheap unless they're on a rookie deal. The smart GMs continue to make moves. The 49ers aggressively went after Jimmy G while also building they're Dline. And then built an offense that didn't require him to do too much. And then after a few years looked to draft a better QB (Lance) with Jimmy G still on the roster. Cause it's about winning and they don't give an F. Now they can play all kinds of games. They can trade Jimmy G for picks, they can bench him, work out a pay cut etc. When Jerry tried to play games with Dak but he had nothing to leverage him. They didn't draft a QB, they had no great free agent QB who would come here as an alternative. The point was further proven when Dak got hurt. Good GMs don't find themselves in bad situations long-term.
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I suggest a subscription to The Athletic for everyone who loves this game.

The analysts rated the play of our mostly abysmal defensive line and linebacker corps. We were appallingly weak, especially at linebacker. The only two high-end pieces we have are Parsons and Diggs. And it showed. We let San Francisco run all over us and if we don't shore that part of the game up next year against some of the opponents we will be playing, we're toast. It's an old cliche but it lasts for a reason: Defense wins championships.

But, by all means, let the Dak haters preach in the meantime.
 
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America's Cowboy said:
Stop the complaining.

Jimmy Garoppolo became the highest paid QB in the NFL when he signed a 5 year/$138 million dollar contract with the 49ers back in 2018. Yet, the 49ers were able to reach the Super Bowl in 2019 and have now reached the NFC Championship Game in 2021 with the potential to reach another SB. QBs are a team's most important player, hence why they get paid the most BY FAR. The difference between the Cowboys and 49ers is they have better coaches & a GM who have been able to draft well while picking up key free agents to coach them up to help them accomplish what they have the past 4-5 years while working around their QB's huge contract.
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better coaches I would say yes - but Cowboys have been really good in the draft and I would say we have better talent across the board compared to San Fran. They just have a way better head Coach and dont have an OC like Moore that is way in over his head.

The system we are trying to play with Dak will not work. Dak isnt that type of QB nor good enough to play that style. Dak needs a more conservative power running offense and not be asked to read a defense and consistently make accurate throws. He isnt good enough to do that. He needs to just manage the game.
 
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Every team faces paying the man. The options are few and if the QB is popular with his teammates and the fans, it gets even tougher.

Most of these threads do not offer an alternative to paying the man except drafting and these people wanted Lynch and Cook ahead of Prescott, really want them picking a QB?

The problem is not paying the man, it is paying the men. Were Cooper, Elliott or Lawrence worth what they were being paid?

Some act like the Cowboys can't be players in FA because of what they pay the QB. Nope, it's what they pay everybody and poor evaluations regarding value.
 
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jazzcat22 said:
One of the most dumbest posts I ever read. It is so dumb it doesn't even warrant a face palm emoji.
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Ha-Haaaaaa, truth hurts doesn't it! Cowboy Fans throughout the WORLD are stuck with this TEN TOE SLOTH for another 3-4 yrs. I have a great idea "HOMER" why don't you post a picture of a football helmet and post little SMILE EMOJI on it every time the Sloth completes a pass more than 15 yds. By the end of the year the helmet will probably be butt naked because passes greater than 15 Yds have all but disappeared from the Sloths stats. The Sloth would rather sit in the pocket for minutes at a time STARING at open RECs &TEs while his O-Line bust their behinds trying to keep him upright. We're stuck with a Sloth that is sooooooooooo slow making decisions that DCs around the league are stacking the box with ELEVEN PLAYERS, that's right I said ELEVEN PLAYERS which would mean RECs and TEs are wide-open, and the Sloth will just suck the air out of the ball while he takes another sack that the O-Line will be unjustly charged for. I keep reading posts about the O-Line and they're responsible for it all but disappearing, well if the Cowboys had a QB who had the ability to read defenses and locate open RECs & TEs in a timely manner then the DCs would be forced to play different defensive schemes which would open up the run game. But no, we're stuck with the TEN TOE SLOTH that's mediocre at best when facing the GOOD TEAMS in the league and who would rather count his millions, take dancing lessons before games and make his lousy commercials than work at elevating his game to a decent level. There's a reason why Cooper spoke to the press about his stats and how he should be leading this team in all departments, but he stopped short of naming the Sloth for his low number and that's because he's a team player and didn't want to throw the SLOTH under the bus, but we were all able to read between lines, except you "HOMER".
 
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KJJ said:
If we didn’t pay the man we would be looking for a QB. That can take years ask Washington and a few other teams.
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I think it is more pay THAT man.

A lot of teams would like to have Allen, Burrow or Mahomes but they are going to have to settle for their own guys and try and make that work.

CLE is wondering about what to do with Mayfield and TEN, Tannehill.

I think all of this focus on "wish we had better" needs to be balanced with "glad what we've got". Could be worse and has been many times.
 
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I think it is more pay THAT man.

A lot of teams would like to have Allen, Burrow or Mahomes but they are going to have to settle for their own guys and try and make that work.

CLE is wondering about what to do with Mayfield and TEN, Tannehill.

I think all of this focus on "wish we had better" needs to be balanced with "glad what we've got". Could be worse and has been many times.
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It comes down to whether you think the QB you have gives you a chance to win a championship. No team has gone through more QBs the past two decades than Cleveland. Baker Mayfield is pretty good but certainly nothing great. He’s clearly the best QB Cleveland has had since Bernie Kosar. It took a couple of decades now they have to decide whether to pay him or begin their search again. Personally I think he’s a better actor than QB. Lamar Jackson was 7-5 this season and will be looking to break the bank.

Baltimore is going to have a dilemma trying to decide whether he’s really worth $45 million plus per season which is probably what he’s going to be looking for. If you don’t pay a QB it could be a long tough road burning high draft picks and going through veteran castoffs trying to find one. Had the Cowboys let Dak walk they wouldn’t have made the playoffs this season.
 
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BigD_95 said:
better coaches I would say yes - but Cowboys have been really good in the draft and I would say we have better talent across the board compared to San Fran. They just have a way better head Coach and dont have an OC like Moore that is way in over his head.

The system we are trying to play with Dak will not work. Dak isnt that type of QB nor good enough to play that style. Dak needs a more conservative power running offense and not be asked to read a defense and consistently make accurate throws. He isnt good enough to do that. He needs to just manage the game.
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Disagree. Dak led the league in "tight window throws" 3 out of his first 6 seasons so far. Plus, his completions accuracy has been at 65% or higher with a passer rating no lower than 97. That shows Dak is capable. He and the Offense simply slumped this second half of this season. I would love to see someone like Kurt Warner coach up Dak, even if in private. That would do wonders for Dak and this team.
 
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If we analyze San Francisco, they are winning, even though they have a bad QB, with bad numbers, why? Well, I attribute it to Kyle Shanahan, and of course to other good players, but it's not because of his QB, and here's Dallas' mistake, overpaying an average QB, believing that Dak was going to be the key piece to win, and It has been shown that no, at this moment QBs 1, 2 and 4 in the league, Rodgers, Brady and Allen, are out of the playoffs, they are elite, along with Mahomes, but even that does not guarantee you win, what is important? having a good HC, and having a good balance, offensive/defensive, does not work, nor did it help to have a QB of 40M per year, that hurts financially, and not being able to make big moves, look at the rams, they they brought Stafford, Miller, Michel, Beckham Jr, Ramsey via transfer, and others, out of nowhere they became a competitive team, they made strong moves and took risks, right now they are in the second round of the playoffs and with great possibilities being in the SB, Jones big mistake is overpaying players, and his biggest mistake was letting himself be pressured by Dak, to give him that contract, it would have been better to let him go and look for other alternatives; it was a disappointment, a whole inconsistency this season. A lousy contract that will leave the cowboys very limited for the next 2 seasons, wasting talent.
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The 49ers have a longer Super Bowl winning drought than the Cowboys do and have a slim chance at winning this year.
 
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GuitarBytes said:
If we analyze San Francisco, they are winning, even though they have a bad QB, with bad numbers, why? Well, I attribute it to Kyle Shanahan, and of course to other good players, but it's not because of his QB, and here's Dallas' mistake, overpaying an average QB, believing that Dak was going to be the key piece to win, and It has been shown that no, at this moment QBs 1, 2 and 4 in the league, Rodgers, Brady and Allen, are out of the playoffs, they are elite, along with Mahomes, but even that does not guarantee you win, what is important? having a good HC, and having a good balance, offensive/defensive, does not work, nor did it help to have a QB of 40M per year, that hurts financially, and not being able to make big moves, look at the rams, they they brought Stafford, Miller, Michel, Beckham Jr, Ramsey via transfer, and others, out of nowhere they became a competitive team, they made strong moves and took risks, right now they are in the second round of the playoffs and with great possibilities being in the SB, Jones big mistake is overpaying players, and his biggest mistake was letting himself be pressured by Dak, to give him that contract, it would have been better to let him go and look for other alternatives; it was a disappointment, a whole inconsistency this season. A lousy contract that will leave the cowboys very limited for the next 2 seasons, wasting talent.
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What other option did the Cowboys have?

The Cowboys had no choice but to pay Dak, unless you wanted to totally blow this thing up and do a full on rebuild with a rookie QB. The Cowboys obviously did not want to go this route, so paying Dak was the only option they had if they wanted to remain a playoff contender.
 
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FVSTONE said:
Ha-Haaaaaa, truth hurts doesn't it! Cowboy Fans throughout the WORLD are stuck with this TEN TOE SLOTH for another 3-4 yrs. I have a great idea "HOMER" why don't you post a picture of a football helmet and post little SMILE EMOJI on it every time the Sloth completes a pass more than 15 yds. By the end of the year the helmet will probably be butt naked because passes greater than 15 Yds have all but disappeared from the Sloths stats. The Sloth would rather sit in the pocket for minutes at a time STARING at open RECs &TEs while his O-Line bust their behinds trying to keep him upright. We're stuck with a Sloth that is sooooooooooo slow making decisions that DCs around the league are stacking the box with ELEVEN PLAYERS, that's right I said ELEVEN PLAYERS which would mean RECs and TEs are wide-open, and the Sloth will just suck the air out of the ball while he takes another sack that the O-Line will be unjustly charged for. I keep reading posts about the O-Line and they're responsible for it all but disappearing, well if the Cowboys had a QB who had the ability to read defenses and locate open RECs & TEs in a timely manner then the DCs would be forced to play different defensive schemes which would open up the run game. But no, we're stuck with the TEN TOE SLOTH that's mediocre at best when facing the GOOD TEAMS in the league and who would rather count his millions, take dancing lessons before games and make his lousy commercials than work at elevating his game to a decent level. There's a reason why Cooper spoke to the press about his stats and how he should be leading this team in all departments, but he stopped short of naming the Sloth for his low number and that's because he's a team player and didn't want to throw the SLOTH under the bus, but we were all able to read between lines, except you "HOMER".
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I did not read your post, paragraphs are you friend. Besides I know it is the 2nd most dumbest post ever without even reading it, I scanned through it, seen your crap and stopped.
I don't waste my time on such crap. I already wasted enough time by responding.
 

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GuitarBytes said:
If we analyze San Francisco, they are winning, even though they have a bad QB, with bad numbers, why? Well, I attribute it to Kyle Shanahan, and of course to other good players, but it's not because of his QB, and here's Dallas' mistake, overpaying an average QB, believing that Dak was going to be the key piece to win, and It has been shown that no, at this moment QBs 1, 2 and 4 in the league, Rodgers, Brady and Allen, are out of the playoffs, they are elite, along with Mahomes, but even that does not guarantee you win, what is important? having a good HC, and having a good balance, offensive/defensive, does not work, nor did it help to have a QB of 40M per year, that hurts financially, and not being able to make big moves, look at the rams, they they brought Stafford, Miller, Michel, Beckham Jr, Ramsey via transfer, and others, out of nowhere they became a competitive team, they made strong moves and took risks, right now they are in the second round of the playoffs and with great possibilities being in the SB, Jones big mistake is overpaying players, and his biggest mistake was letting himself be pressured by Dak, to give him that contract, it would have been better to let him go and look for other alternatives; it was a disappointment, a whole inconsistency this season. A lousy contract that will leave the cowboys very limited for the next 2 seasons, wasting talent.
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While I agree with a lot of what you are saying, San Francisco knows they made a mistake with Jimmy. Paying him all that money was a combination of lucky player going to right situation. The Niners had an ungodly amount of cap space in 2018, they had over 70 million after signing Jimmy G. They made the bet that he was a franchise guy, pay him early and if it pays off they will have a cheap QB when the team is ready to compete.
The credit goes to Shanahan. He has a great system like his dad did in SF and Denver. Why did SF trade two first round picks to draft a QB? They don't want to pay Jimmy again, he is very limited.

I was dead set against paying Dak, not because I hate Dak, or love Romo, or you come up with the excuse. I see Dak for who he is is..... A good QB ~ to Jimmy G, Cousins, Tannehill slightly better than Wentz, Goff. A guy will not even peak as high as Flacco or Ryan.

It wasn't about money, it was about value. From 2016 to 2020 the Cowboys had the best cost per production at QB. No matter what you think of Dak. He was on a 4th round contract earning a million dollars a year, even after adding in the franchise tag of 30 or whatever it was the average over those five years was still like 6 million a year. So the Cowboys took their biggest advantage right when their cap was fully cleared from all their dead money and followed what the rest of the NFL does. You saw Philly in their own division pay Wentz and then trade him to take the largest cap hit in the history of the league.
Same with the Rams, they made a mistake with Goff and moved on. We should have signed a guy like Fitz and just kept on Zigging while the league zags... But Jerry doesn't understand game theory or how to build a team. Never overpay a good player. Great organizations understand that concept.
 

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rambo2 said:
The 49ers have a longer Super Bowl winning drought than the Cowboys do and have a slim chance at winning this year.
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You have made this a zero sum game. The problem with this organization is not just a SB win. That is a delusional way of thinking as only one team wins. The problem with this organization is not even being able to get to a championship game. The Niners have gone to two SB's since we won in the 95 season. The have had much more success as an organization over the past 26 years.
 
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You have made this a zero sum game. The problem with this organization is not just a SB win. That is a delusional way of thinking as only one team wins. The problem with this organization is not even being able to get to a championship game. The Niners have gone to two SB's since we won in the 95 season. The have had much more success as an organization over the past 26 years.
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They still were only a play away against the 49ers which would have let them advance to the next round. Anything can happen going forward. Just look at the Chiefs. They went 50 years without a championship.
 
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