Twitter: Dez Gives Advice to Dak

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MountaineerCowboy

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The irony of you bringing up Alex Smith is that he was the first overall pick in the draft. And you call him a clone of the guy we drafted in the 4th. So again, it's an inexact science.

And I'm not saying you shouldn't try. Surely, if you're in that position and a potential franchise QB is staring you in the face, draft him. But just the act itself of drafting a first-round QB isn't enough. Getting a guy like Mahomes or Allen is a perfect accumulation of events that includes being bad in the right year, having the right draft pick, and having other teams pass on him (like the Bears/Mahomes). You can easily do what Buffalo themselves did and waste decades of your franchise drafting guys like EJ Manuel and JP Losman in the first round. And either way, when has Dallas been in that position in the last decade? The one time the team was truly targeting a first-round QB, the Broncos jumped in and saved Jerry from himself by taking Paxton Lynch.

By the way - what has Herbert done to be included in that list? I'm apparently supposed to be jealous of Joe Burrow because he has the Bengals in the AFC Championship game. OK, fine. But Herbert is two years in and hasn't made the playoffs. Will the Chargers even make the playoffs before they have to pay him a monster contract in a couple of years?
That's not what I meant about Alex Smith. You're not going to hit every time. You mentioned that about the Bills.

Alex Smith had ran his course. He was what is was. At that point in his career everyone knew that he was not the guy. That's where we are with Dak right now. The Chiefs knew if they wanted to win anything they needed a real QB. So they got one. They took a chance and it paid off.

The Paxton Lynch thing gets brought up a lot. How do we know how Lynch would have been on the 2016 team? Lynch would of had the best o-line in the NFL and a 1st team all pro/rushing title winner in Zeke. Maybe he would have been just fine if he was afforded everything that Dak was afforded. How many rookie QBs get to start their career with what Dak got? How do you think Dak would have been if he was thrown into the situation that Lynch was thrown into? I believe if that happened to Dak he wouldn't be in the league right now, just like Lynch.

Do you think the Chargers not making the playoffs is due to Herberts personal play? If so, that's fine, but myself and a lot of others, are easily able to see that this dude has IT, whatever it is.
 

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The irony of you bringing up Alex Smith is that he was the first overall pick in the draft. And you call him a clone of the guy we drafted in the 4th. So again, it's an inexact science.

And I'm not saying you shouldn't try. Surely, if you're in that position and a potential franchise QB is staring you in the face, draft him. But just the act itself of drafting a first-round QB isn't enough. Getting a guy like Mahomes or Allen is a perfect accumulation of events that includes being bad in the right year, having the right draft pick, and having other teams pass on him (like the Bears/Mahomes). You can easily do what Buffalo themselves did and waste decades of your franchise drafting guys like EJ Manuel and JP Losman in the first round. And either way, when has Dallas been in that position in the last decade? The one time the team was truly targeting a first-round QB, the Broncos jumped in and saved Jerry from himself by taking Paxton Lynch.

By the way - what has Herbert done to be included in that list? I'm apparently supposed to be jealous of Joe Burrow because he has the Bengals in the AFC Championship game. OK, fine. But Herbert is two years in and hasn't made the playoffs. Will the Chargers even make the playoffs before they have to pay him a monster contract in a couple of years?


Ive seen very few times Facts get in the way of a Dak debate...Fact is we have the 24th pick in the draft, I dont know how that spells best QB in the draft..the other avenue is always.."If we had Brady or Rodgers or Mahommes", that ship has sailed no SB winning QB looking to add rings is comming to play in this Jerry circus..they have choices and avoid this mess like small pox. Other option..Dak gets hurt and we suck next year (the irony right, the guy that keeps us from sucking is who we are looking to replace) and get a top 10 Draft pick and hope we get a non bust QB out of college....the things you say are correct unfortunatley this fan base needs a villian and to 50% it will always be the QB.
 

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That's not what I meant about Alex Smith. You're not going to hit every time. You mentioned that about the Bills.

Alex Smith had ran his course. He was what is was. At that point in his career everyone knew that he was not the guy. That's where we are with Dak right now. The Chiefs knew if they wanted to win anything they needed a real QB. So they got one. They took a chance and it paid off.

The Paxton Lynch thing gets brought up a lot. How do we know how Lynch would have been on the 2016 team? Lynch would of had the best o-line in the NFL and a 1st team all pro/rushing title winner in Zeke. Maybe he would have been just fine if he was afforded everything that Dak was afforded. How many rookie QBs get to start their career with what Dak got? How do you think Dak would have been if he was thrown into the situation that Lynch was thrown into? I believe if that happened to Dak he wouldn't be in the league right now, just like Lynch.

Do you think the Chargers not making the playoffs is due to Herberts personal play? If so, that's fine, but myself and a lot of others, are easily able to see that this dude has IT, whatever it is.

The Chiefs made a bold move, but again - it's a perfect series of events that has to all come together to make that happen. Other teams like Chicago passed on Mahomes. Buffalo, who also needed a QB, could have taken him but traded out to allow KC into that spot. Buffalo was thisclose to drafting him. And they got unbelievably lucky to have Allen fall to them the next year rather than getting saddled with Darnold or Baker Mayfield. Keep in mind - Alex Smith was 33 at this point. Dak is 27. Kansas City was looking to move on from a veteran QB and find their guy of the future.

If the Cowboys find themselves in that position, sure - do it. If there's a QB at 24 that you like, take him.

Paxton Lynch got drafted by the defending Super Bowl champions with one of the greatest QB's in league history at the helm of the organization. He joined a team that had two Pro Bowl wide receivers. That is one of the best situations I can think of for a rookie QB to walk into. He just wasn't good enough, and that's why he's out of the league. There's no need to make excuses for him - he wasn't good and he flamed out.

As far as Herbert - I like him. I think he's going to be very good. But if you're being honest with your argument, it's disingenuous to use Burrow making the conference championship as a measuring stick to place him above Dak, but then ignore the fact that Herbert has not yet been to the playoffs. I can't tell you how many times I've seen the argument against Dak on this board that stats don't matter, that he has empty stats, etc. Herbert is likely going to be really good, but stats are all he has right now. And if he can't make the playoffs yet it's not going to get any easier once try to build a team after paying him a contract that will likely dwarf Dak's.
 

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I think they're trolls too.

They're playing a character that props up the one player that causes the most animosity among Cowboys fans. If everyone loved Dak they would hate them and play that character. There is no way you are so comfortable throwing past Cowboys players champions and current Cowboys players under the bus to prop up someone that isn't very good unless you're just trolling.

Couldn't have said it better
 

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This won't end well. I'm not sure how much Romo can teach Dak anyway.

Fact: That loss wasn't solely on Dak.


What exactly did Romo win ? Other then one playoff against the Lions that the “ conspiracy refs “ helped Dallas down the stretch . Would rather get Dak a QB coach he can relate to learn from and improve .
 

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My perspective:

True: Dak didn't lose that playoff game for us, but could've played much better.
True: Romo read defenses better than Dak does 7 years into their respective careers.
True: Dez is making Dak's and the Jones' jobs harder tweeting this.
True: It's not Dez' problem how easy or hard Dak and the Jones' jobs are, so he can share whatever he wants.
True: Dez, while he's a Cowboys legend, his current role relative to the Cowboys is just "Twitter guy," so no one should get too up or down on these comments.
Truth...
If any outside social media etc makes anyone in this franchise wake up, than keep it coming.
I hope that even forgotten players like Jay Novacek opens a twitter campaign on this franchise.
 

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They used to stack the box and send the blitz to stop the run and bring down Dak. He learned to beat the blitz. He became one of the best at it. We had the O-Line to do it. We are missing Leary and Fredbeard. Now teams can bring 4 and stop the run and pressure Dak to the point he has to bail and can’t step up. They are playing coverage and I guess disguising coverage. You mean all these years he never saw these looks. You beat it by short passes and dump offs. Not WR screens.. Slants tosses, sweeps, pitch, RPO or take off on roll outs. When your O-Line can’t handle a 4 man rush with lb filling the gaps… That’s O-Line 101.. Isn’t that basic O-Line skills here. If you can’t move the secondary around by what you can do then they dictate the game. Winning the trenches is job 1…
You guess they are disguising coverage; opponents were doing the very basic and showing Dak that he can set the ball in a soft zone all day, Denver layed out the blueprint.
Even knowing what is there since that game, Dak got gun shy.
Not putting all the blame on Dak because Moore could have done a lot more with game plan knowing Daks limitations and Moore did absolutely nothing to even attempt to alleviate Daks issues, this OLs issues, this running games issues.
There was a hidden asset on this roster and that was some actual depth at RB, that even I didnt think existed on this roster until I actually got to see a glimpse late.
Clement and Smith actually have some shelfed talent that could have been vital down the stretch run if Moore would have had the intelligence to incorporate their skill sets into this starving and stagnant offense.
 

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You guess they are disguising coverage; opponents were doing the very basic and showing Dak that he can set the ball in a soft zone all day, Denver layed out the blueprint.
Even knowing what is there since that game, Dak got gun shy.
Not putting all the blame on Dak because Moore could have done a lot more with game plan knowing Daks limitations and Moore did absolutely nothing to even attempt to alleviate Daks issues, this OLs issues, this running games issues.
There was a hidden asset on this roster and that was some actual depth at RB, that even I didnt think existed on this roster until I actually got to see a glimpse late.
Clement and Smith actually have some shelfed talent that could have been vital down the stretch run if Moore would have had the intelligence to incorporate their skill sets into this starving and stagnant offense.
If you keep calling runs up the gut the running game was going no where. Most longer runs were simply off tackle or a toss. I agree Dak got seriously gun shy. A lot of times the middle was open. Or a simple dump off over the line right behind the LB coming at him. Moore is not the OC we thought. Our talent crushes weaker teams.. I am trying to figure out what happened to him after the injury. Was it worse than went thought.
 

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What exactly did Romo win ? Other then one playoff against the Lions that the “ conspiracy refs “ helped Dallas down the stretch . Would rather get Dak a QB coach he can relate to learn from and improve .
I thought I remember him winning a playoff game against the eagles too
Or maybe I just wanted it to happen so badly I talked myself into thinking it really happened lol
 

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Dez knows more about football than anyone here, so like him or not, he knows what he is talking about.
yeah and the others should just shut up ;) and listen since he is more of an expert in the field. Especially those who expect the same from us just because they played a bit of high school ball.
 
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I thought I remember him winning a playoff game against the eagles too
Or maybe I just wanted it to happen so badly I talked myself into thinking it really happened lol


Jimmy J on his post on Twitter that up to 6 yrs in both Romo and Dak had one playoff win thus the reference to the Lions win with Romo
 

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And is that "real QB talent" just falling off trees somewhere? You are so obsessed with Josh Allen but where is there another Josh Allen? Buffalo spent the better part of two decades trying to find a QB and went 16 straight years without a playoff appearance. Along the way they wasted two first-round picks on quarterbacks that set the franchise back several years each time.

So sure, you could move on from Dak, but let's not act like it's so easy for any front office - especially this one - to just stumble forward into getting another Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen. There's only two of those guys in the league. You can waste literally decades of your existence trying to draft a QB as good as Dak, much less Allen or Mahomes.
what you say is true, but if a team doesnt TRY to get a josh allen type they will never get one will they??????
Mahomes, kc did a good job getting him even though they had a good dak type qb. Now they are in champ game or SB every year and won 1 SB already.

SD got herbert, Cin got burrows, and they are in champ game now, 2 years after getting him.

A team has to scout the college qb's good, and when the right guy is going to come into draft, they have to tank so they can get that guy.
Cleveland is another team that has tried a bunch of top draft pick qb's, but they just are not good at picking the right guys.

Dallas went with dak , and that was ok for rookie contract, but should have never gave him the big deal esp after breaking his leg.
Now they are stuck with for 2 more years so if a guy they want comes up they cant get him.

But qb isnt the only issue, a team also needs a good modern HC and staff, and dallas does not have that either, and may never have that.
Dallas could compete better with dak if they just had a better HC and staff.
Jerry was thinking dak was a SB qb, and the coaches he put in place were SB level coaches, and they are not, so here we are.
Good team overall, but one and done in WC round and will be picking low in next draft.
 

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I will say this too, dak should be better next season.
I said before the season that there was no way dak could be in good enough shape to go the whole season , without his performance level dropping.
Everyone said I was an idiot, and he was in shape, but it seems to me daks body just got wore out midway into season. The calf strain was a sign of that.
Afterward his play dropped off and never came back.

So if he works hard in off season he can get back into football shape and probably do a lot better next season.
 

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what you say is true, but if a team doesnt TRY to get a josh allen type they will never get one will they??????
Mahomes, kc did a good job getting him even though they had a good dak type qb. Now they are in champ game or SB every year and won 1 SB already.

SD got herbert, Cin got burrows, and they are in champ game now, 2 years after getting him.

A team has to scout the college qb's good, and when the right guy is going to come into draft, they have to tank so they can get that guy.
Cleveland is another team that has tried a bunch of top draft pick qb's, but they just are not good at picking the right guys.

Dallas went with dak , and that was ok for rookie contract, but should have never gave him the big deal esp after breaking his leg.
Now they are stuck with for 2 more years so if a guy they want comes up they cant get him.

But qb isnt the only issue, a team also needs a good modern HC and staff, and dallas does not have that either, and may never have that.
Dallas could compete better with dak if they just had a better HC and staff.
Jerry was thinking dak was a SB qb, and the coaches he put in place were SB level coaches, and they are not, so here we are.
Good team overall, but one and done in WC round and will be picking low in next draft.

Yes, you have to try if you are in the position to do so. Cincinnati was terrible and got the #1 overall pick. If Dallas was in that same situation I would certainly advocate taking a QB first overall, but they aren't, so I'm not sure what exactly the point is.

Remember Cincinnati took two other QB's in the top 3 overall over the last 20 years. Both moves set them back several years each time. If you're in a position where it makes sense to draft that guy, then certainly do it. Right now we have a guy who is really good. He may not be Mahomes but he's really good. You can waste 20-30 years trying to find a Mahomes.

Ultimately, none of these guys you've listed but Mahomes has won a Super Bowl, and that's the name of the game. Burrows and Allen getting a round further than Dak is nice, but it doesn't really mean anything at the end of the day. You're looking for a guy to win you a Super Bowl.
 
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