Is Dak’s accuracy related to too much muscle?

MajesticRey

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Really?

He seems more out of shape and less athletic now.
I don’t think he seems out of shape, but I agree he doesn’t seem as athletic.

Probably has to do with him being scared of another season-ending injury. That sucks because part of Dak’s value was that he could use his legs to punish defenses focusing on coverage. Now he tries to remain in the pocket more consistently, even when he has a lane to scramble.

But ankle injuries are no joke, you’re definitely not the same after that. Would’ve been nice to not have signed him to that massive payday - could’ve been at least looking at competition at the QB position. Unfortunately unless Dak has another injury or plays like a bottom 10 QB there’s no way someone is getting snaps over him.
 

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I agree. His issues are more mental than physical. He has never been a great “touch/feel” passer— and he does not have elite arm power— but he has made some awesome throws nonetheless.

I would love to see what a guy like Sean Payton could do with Dak. He only knows Kellen’s system— and while they may be BFF’s and enjoyed a measure of success— does Kellen really have the depth of wisdom and understanding to optimize Dak’s skillset?

IMO— Dak and Kellen are confident in their system. Too confident. They think their way is best, but are they willing to innovate, challenge themselves to break it down and rebuild it stronger than before?

I fear they believe they have “arrived” and assumed they could just do what they have always done and it will be enough. Well— it’s clearly not good enough.

Dak’s hesitancy and surprise at how successful defenses were against them is evidence to me that there is still immature thinking with him and Kellen. They believe they are elite and it had not even entered their mind that teams could consistently counter their “awesome offense.”

IMO— they need to go back to the drawing board. But the best thing for Dak (and therefore Dallas) is to pair him with an elite QB and OC guru who can “blow up” and reset him as a player. He needs to be reforged. I think Kellen’s early success has actually hindered Dak’s development in some ways… Early success can do that sometimes

Hopefully the humbling Dak is receiving will bear good fruit. To his credit he is a hard worker— so maybe there is some hope some positives will come forth— but I think he needs a new OC and new system to initiate the reformation he needs as a player at this point
Good Post!
 

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How many defenders does a low arching fast ball have to pass, before it get to the receiver?

Some of Dak's accuracy issues come from having to throw around defenders while not getting his WR's killed. Some QB's are tall enough to throw over defenders, some have to throw around defenders.

Dak is not 6'4" and he throws low arching fast balls. He's going to be off target quite a bit.
 

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You should also consistently play well when you face good teams. Patriots were not a good team. So he had a good game against the Bucs. That makes him MVP early in the year?

You have low standards. That's on you. He wasn't MVP anything, he was a dude who beat up on a couple of bad teams. End of. He's not MVP now and he won't be next season. 6 game hero means nothing.

Raise your freakin' standards. 2 pages of a back and forth because he beat up the Giants and Eagles. Jesus Christ this fandom has hit rock bottom.
of course you should consistently play well. I never said otherwise...but you dominate lesser teams. as in every other QB does so. tougher competition, you can't consistently dominate but you should play at a high level. he also dominated tampa, patriots, our defense sucked and gave up points, but that's not his fault....so you stand corrected yet again.

so it goes back to after week 6. not knowing what the next 10 games will be like. not knowing what the other teams will do (improve, collapse, etc.) at that point in time, all we have is the first 6 games and at that point Dak was playing at an elite level ( to repeat for your sake, first 6 games, no crystal balls, not knowing about the next 10 games)....he played at a very high level against teams like Tampa, Patriots (a 3-0 team at the time, not being aware of future collapse).

at that point in time, not me, but media and everybody else was considering him an MVP candidate. you don't like it, then reach out to those people.
but you insist on looking back after the season and then discussing first 6 games in hindsight!!!

there is zero denying based on facts and play, that his first 6 games were at a very high level. I don't set low standards... I looked at fact at a point in time...

again, I think your logic is so very flawed and you are so confused that you have spun yourself crazy. cantradicting yourself and your logic (lack there of)..you want to hate on Dak please do. your choice. its an open forum....however, seems like you just want to argue and there are plenty of folks on here for you to argue with....have at it...enjoy.....

btw, if you read any of my other posts (which you obviously didn't) you would realize that I have been criticizing Dak plenty....

with that said. what's your point with all of this? what is your goal? what are you trying to accomplish with this argument? lets just say Dak sucks...he is the worst. not NFL worthy. never was an MVP candidate. now what? what do you want?
 

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IMO… it’s not accuracy that is the issue. It’s Dak’s lack of anticipation that is more the problem.

Throws have to be “on schedule” in the NFL. We hear about QBs “throwing WRs open.” It’s because they throw to a spot and anticipate exactly where the WR will be on the field— and when he will be there.

I think Dak struggles with delivering the ball on time because he doesn’t trust what he is seeing fully. If he doesn’t see a guy “open” then he holds the ball—- vs throwing to a spot and trusting his guy will be there.

To the observer— it looks like Dak is not accurate because passes are “off target.” Yes— they are off target. But is it because Dak can’t place a ball where he wants it (physical talent issue) or because he is holding the ball and his timing/anticipation is off (awareness/mentality issue)?

I suppose it could be a bit of both— but to me, Dak hesitates too much and is off schedule with his WRs. If they aren’t exactly where they are supposed to be as route runners— then they obviously share some of the blame as well

Exactly. Came in here to say 'what accuracy problems?'. He isn't inaccurate and never has been. His problem is not throwing when he should.
 

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Maybe he has to actually put a lot of work into his craft in the off season for once......instead of you know.....goofing off and making commercials!

I think Dak should have build a full football field instead of half of one in his back yard because that is how he plays in a game, good for half a field, then sucks the other half. He should have thought of that in advance.
 

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How many defenders does a low arching fast ball have to pass, before it get to the receiver?

Some of Dak's accuracy issues come from having to throw around defenders while not getting his WR's killed. Some QB's are tall enough to throw over defenders, some have to throw around defenders.

Dak is not 6'4" and he throws low arching fast balls. He's going to be off target quite a bit.


True.. but as off target as many proclaim him to be.. He has one of the highest career completion percentages in league history and is one of the highest rated passers in league history. The only real issue is that when Dak has a ball slip out of his hand or tries to pull the string after seeing a defender flash at the last moment, people want to call that "accuracy issues." The fact of the matter is 99% of his passes are right on the money. Even a lot of those so called "behind the receiver" throws turn out to have needed to be behind because putting them out in front would have led to the receiver being decapitated. Or would have given a defender a better angle to make a play on the ball. That's not to say ALL of his passes are on target. Clearly they aren't. Which makes him no different than any other QB who has ever played the game and who ever well. I am far more concerned about Dak's unwillingness to run than I am his perceived deficiencies as a passer.
 

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of course you should consistently play well. I never said otherwise...but you dominate lesser teams. as in every other QB does so. tougher competition, you can't consistently dominate but you should play at a high level. he also dominated tampa, patriots, our defense sucked and gave up points, but that's not his fault....so you stand corrected yet again.

so it goes back to after week 6. not knowing what the next 10 games will be like. not knowing what the other teams will do (improve, collapse, etc.) at that point in time, all we have is the first 6 games and at that point Dak was playing at an elite level ( to repeat for your sake, first 6 games, no crystal balls, not knowing about the next 10 games)....he played at a very high level against teams like Tampa, Patriots (a 3-0 team at the time, not being aware of future collapse).

at that point in time, not me, but media and everybody else was considering him an MVP candidate. you don't like it, then reach out to those people.
but you insist on looking back after the season and then discussing first 6 games in hindsight!!!

there is zero denying based on facts and play, that his first 6 games were at a very high level. I don't set low standards... I looked at fact at a point in time...

again, I think your logic is so very flawed and you are so confused that you have spun yourself crazy. cantradicting yourself and your logic (lack there of)..you want to hate on Dak please do. your choice. its an open forum....however, seems like you just want to argue and there are plenty of folks on here for you to argue with....have at it...enjoy.....

btw, if you read any of my other posts (which you obviously didn't) you would realize that I have been criticizing Dak plenty....

with that said. what's your point with all of this? what is your goal? what are you trying to accomplish with this argument? lets just say Dak sucks...he is the worst. not NFL worthy. never was an MVP candidate. now what? what do you want?

Yeah, I'm not reading that, nerd.
 

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Dak’s career completion percentage is 66.6%. David Carr’s is 59.7% and Troy Aikman (known for “being accurate”) had a career completion percentage of 61.5%.

Simply saying Dak is “inaccurate” is over-simplistic. He is completing passes at a higher rate than a lot of QBs…. But what we are concerned about are the plays he is NOT making, the location and timing of some of his throws etc…

And more to the point: why is he “off target”? And is there anything a coach can do about it?

His stats are skewed because of the massive amount of 5 yard and under passes he makes.

He has the touch of a blacksmith.
 

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Yeah, I'm not reading that, nerd.
Usually when people lose an argument they start name calling, initially mild ones.

So when did u feel like u lost this argument.

P.s.
I am a nerd.i am proud. Made **** load of money out of my nersness. U want a job? I am hiring...
 

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His stats are skewed because of the massive amount of 5 yard and under passes he makes.

He has the touch of a blacksmith.

You should go look up the air yards of passes numbers for all QBs and rethink this take. Dak's problem is that he doesn't take ENOUGH of the short passes and gets caught being greedy.. not the other way around.
 

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You should go look up the air yards of passes numbers for all QBs and rethink this take. Dak's problem is that he doesn't take ENOUGH of the short passes and gets caught being greedy.. not the other way around.

He was ranked 8th on 20 yard +
Ranked 18th on 40 yard +
Ranked 11th on YPA.

That's our 40 mil QB.
 

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He was ranked 8th on 20 yard +
Ranked 18th on 40 yard +
Ranked 11th on YPA.

That's our 40 mil QB.


Sorry but his rankings on various metrics was not the question. You stated that "his stats are skewed because of the massive number of 5 yards and under passes.."

So I went and looked up the air yards per completion for some other QBs..

Stafford 6.8
Wilson, Russ 6.7
Cousins 6.5 (I have to admit this shocked me)
Allen, Josh 6.5
Burrow 6.4
Murray 6.0
Prescott 5.9
Herbert 5.9
Brady 5.7
Rodgers 5.3
Mahomes 4.9

As you can see.. Dak is among up there with the top guys in air yards per attempt. If his average completion is about 6 yards then clearly he isn't throwing a ton of passes that travel less than 5 yards beyond the line of scrimmage. As such they cannot be skewing his completion percentage.. and there are guys behind him on this list who completed a lower percentage than he..
 

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That's not as impressive as it used to be. Cousins and Carr have seasons like this as well.
Only 3 passers were more accurate than Dak's 68.8% this year.

The fact that people are trying to force this conversation even in a year when he was the 4th most accurate in the league is pretty insane and hilarious.

The Donovan McNabb comparison made by the original poster is also insane. McNabb had a completion percentage in the 50's during his stint with the Eagles. There's really no comparing his accuracy to a guy who routinely has a completion percentage in the high 60's. If you look at Dak and see McNabb, as the original poster admits he does, there's really only one explanation for that. And it's a pretty ugly reason.
 

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Only 3 passers were more accurate than Dak's 68.8% this year.

The fact that people are trying to force this conversation even in a year when he was the 4th most accurate in the league is pretty insane and hilarious.

The Donovan McNabb comparison made by the original poster is also insane. McNabb had a completion percentage in the 50's during his stint with the Eagles. There's really no comparing his accuracy to a guy who routinely has a completion percentage in the high 60's. If you look at Dak and see McNabb, as the original poster admits he does, there's really only one explanation for that. And it's a pretty ugly reason.


That's race baiting.. I just got a warning for that recently. Just saying.
 
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