KC showed how to fix an OL

Batman1980 said:

McGovern is a back-up, he's not NFL starting caliber.

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he’s under contract for one more year.

we basically wasted him.

Teague31 said:

After their shoddy OL lost them a super bowl, the chiefs decided to fix the OL and did it in one offseason.

Signed a high end guard (Thuney)
Traded first for a LT (Brown)
Used 2nd on a center (Humphrey)
Used 3rd on a guard (Smith)

just like that’s weakness was turned into a strength and will be for the next 3-4 years. This is the type of front office work the cowboys are incapable of doing.

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Funny thing is. Fixing the oline is the only thing they have been consistently good at for the majority of the last 25 years.

It is all in the hips. Natural, unoperated upon hips, anchor a powerful man. They lift heavy weights and get stronger. They are great at the point of attack.

Biadasz has hip surgery before his 2019 college season. Lael Collins had hip surgery and missed all of 2020. Hip surgery to repair a torn labrum, the most common injury to athletes, is a brutal one. I do not know if any great athlete has come back as good as he was before. [AROD had it and he could not get to high 90's fastballs anymore].

The repair does not restore the player to have the same strength capabilities as his healthy natural hip. The surgery fixes the pain, but there is no known method of a100% fix to a torn labrum of the hip to enable the athlete's hip to have the same capabilities as it was when perfectly healthy and unviolated.

T CRAW came back from hip surgery and was on roller skates every down, being blown off the line of scrimmage. He had no lower body strength, but Jerry made a big error in not cutting him.

Perhaps both Biadasz and Collins are limited in lower body strength increases and can not dominate the point of attack. Perhaps Collins is less flexible since the hip surgery and would be a better fit at guard, just as Kevin Gogan was.

Whomever is drafted as a center or any OL position should have no back or hip surgery history.

Here are some past Boys OL from the late 80's and from 1990's and where they were drafted:
Erik Williams, 3rd round
Mark Stepnowski, 3rd round
Doug Free, 4th round
Nate Newton, free agent
Mark Tuinei, free agent DT converted to OT
Larry Allen, 2nd round
Gurode, 2nd round
Flozell Adams, 2nd round
Solomon Page, 2nd round
Leonard Davis was a free agent
Marco Colombo was given up by Chicago due to a bad nerve injury

baltcowboy said:

Yeah let’s offer our first round pick for Marpet and the Bucs second round draft choice. Then use those two 2nd round picks for a center and offensive line depth. Seems improbable but that is similar to what KC did to improve their line. The Ravens made one of the worst trades in NFL history considering how bad their line was this past season. All for a second first round pick for a wide receiver that talent is of someone you can get later in the draft. If the Cowboys made that horrible trade we would be getting panned.

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What not just sign the Bucs OC. He is a free agent and considered a top 5 OC...

Move La'el to LG.

Boom. Done.

America's Cowboy said:

The Cowboys of the 90s only had one 1st rounder. The rest were 3rd or later round picks; some even undrafted. Their key was their Oline Coach.

Cowboys keep using costly 1st round picks on Olinemen. How has that worked out over the years, plus against the salary cap?

Get a much better Oline Coach who knows how to improve this Oline.

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No, the key was getting extreme talent to play like it. So, yes, it was coaching, but it was coaching and talent.

It took them a good 4 or 5 games to get in a grove too. The OL looked terrible at the start of the season for them but all of a sudden things just aligned to dominate the rest of the season

Nexx said:

agreed, they just have an elite QB who can mask that deficiency.

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Yes, Burrow does this.

heir said:

Funny thing is. Fixing the oline is the only thing they have been consistently good at for the majority of the last 25 years.

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Yep.
I have made this exact same post in the past as well. From the selection/acquiring of the linemen to the several different OL coaches and schemes. With the exception of a couple of early Romo years O lines and that failed Paul Alexander experiment as OL coach, the oline has been good enough to excellent for a long time.

jmo

kskboys said:

No, the key was getting extreme talent to play like it. So, yes, it was coaching, but it was coaching and talent.

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Extreme talent which the Cowboys used from the mid-to-late-to-undrafted Olinemen the Cowboys from the 90s used thanks to their excellent Oline Coach.

Actually (correcting myself), no 1st rounder drafted out of that group of the 90s, not 3-4+ like today's Cowboys have drafted but fail to accomplish much with. It ultimately comes down to coaching.

Teague31 said:

After their shoddy OL lost them a super bowl, the chiefs decided to fix the OL and did it in one offseason.

Signed a high end guard (Thuney)
Traded first for a LT (Brown)
Used 2nd on a center (Humphrey)
Used 3rd on a guard (Smith)

just like that’s weakness was turned into a strength and will be for the next 3-4 years. This is the type of front office work the cowboys are incapable of doing.

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What no multiple 1st rounders on the off-line???
How can teams win only with playmakers?

Orlando brown is a UFA this off season. Guys about to get paid. Didn't he play rt in Baltimore but wanted to play lt?

America's Cowboy said:

Extreme talent which the Cowboys used from the mid-to-late-to-undrafted Olinemen the Cowboys from the 90s used thanks to their excellent Oline Coach.

Actually (correcting myself), no 1st rounder drafted out of that group of the 90s, not 3-4+ like today's Cowboys have drafted but fail to accomplish much with. It ultimately comes down to coaching.

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And talent.

Nate Newton was shockingly quick for a man his size. W/o this talent, no amount of coaching would've mattered.

Nexx said:

agreed, they just have an elite QB who can mask that deficiency.

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Hard to mask it when our RBs were getting hit before they even took the handoff.

The cowboys OL grades well inside the top 10 by most accounts. Really about top 5-6. That includes Williams who was better than most think though he probably won't be back.


What the cowboys need is a new OL coach and then be willing to use pollard as a primary runner and let Zeke be the short yardage and blocker in the backfield more.

charron said:

The cowboys OL grades well inside the top 10 by most accounts. Really about top 5-6. That includes Williams who was better than most think though he probably won't be back.


What the cowboys need is a new OL coach and then be willing to use pollard as a primary runner and let Zeke be the short yardage and blocker in the backfield more.

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More than that, we need to change how we run the ball. Need a coach in here to instruct KMo.

kskboys said:

More than that, we need to change how we run the ball. Need a coach in here to instruct KMo.

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Yep, we need an adjacent OC that will 'teach' kellen on the job .

its getting insane . but its true .

PAPPYDOG said:

What no multiple 1st rounders on the off-line???
How can teams win only with playmakers?

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Did they win? I heard they lost.

It's beyond me how people think Biadasz is a passable center.

Bob-Lillys-War said:

Yep, we need an adjacent OC that will 'teach' kellen on the job .

its getting insane . but its true .

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It is. There are still things I like about KMO, but it's blatantly apparent that he was not ready to be OC. He has some great ideas, but man does he need some help. Advice.

......and today, showed they need a running game to go with Mahomes & bunch to compensate further for the D.