Why the "Dak is elite" narrative is so flawed

Ken · Feb 6, 2022

Cowboy Lover said:
And yet you wont; admit Tony elevated some very mediocre players game. So don't give us the silly lip service garbage. You;ve been objecting to it for pages now...but SUDDENLY you claim to "defend him more than dak"? BS.

I do think he elevated players. I just don't think Austin is the best example of that.

Laurent, yeah absolutely.

MyFairLady · Feb 6, 2022

40 million dollar soiled diaper with a chance to win in the playoffs.

Ken · Feb 6, 2022

Cowboy Lover said:
You searched. LOL>

No i remembered it...how can you forget that?

Qcard · Feb 6, 2022

Ken said:

@Ken video evidence doesn't work on this Dak Hate disease :lmao:

Ken · Feb 6, 2022

Typhus said:
Guess Ken never knew much about Andre afterall, and why I knew he wouldnt even know the basics about Andre if he didnt even know who the "Road Grater" was.

Yeah i have no clue about him.

Sorry i didn't meet your minimum criteria for Gurode knowledge even though I know all about him.... :facepalm:

Ken · Feb 6, 2022

Qcard said:
@Ken video evidence doesn't work on this Dak Hate disease

I it crazy that they both had similar plays (albeit romos better) against Watt...

Qcard · Feb 6, 2022

Cowboy Lover said:
That is a lie. Of course you can "make players better" without winning playoffs.

Making players better has nothing to do with playoffs. We can HOPE it would. But it doesn't mean it HAS to.

You statement encapsulates the Romo Era....Not even good enough for Ring Of Honor and according to Dak Haters a Bum took down another one Romo's Record....Franchise TDs :laugh:

Elite Players don't have their Franchise Records broken by lesser Players :lmao2:

Ken · Feb 6, 2022

Cowboy Lover said:
Whatever...I'm out dude. Have fun.

You are not interested in honest conversation or backing up your (false) accusations (lies).

Take care and have a good day!

They just keep taking their L's and exiting stage left lol

mattjames2010 · Feb 6, 2022

Ken said:
I loved Romo and defended him MORE than Dak.

Dak doesn't need as much defending lol

Gurode was dumb as a stump and was bad until Parcells got hold of him. To degrade him when Romo got blitzed unmercifully up the middle after he was gone until we got Frederick is revisionist history at its finest.

Gurode was an inconsistent center and he was not playing well at all in 2009 or 2010. Which is why we were okay with allowing him to go after 2010. He started to have his hiccups in 2007. Adams and Gurode nearly got Romo killed plenty of times in 2009. This is the season you THINK the offensive line was good, it wasn't. It was beginning to fall apart and the age of the players were showing. So I will repeat: from 2009 to 2013 Romo had poor or inconsistent pass protection. You suggested the majority of Romo's career was behind a good offensive line. This is wrong, you are wrong and I want you to admit to it.

mattjames2010 · Feb 6, 2022

Ken said:
They just keep taking their L's and exiting stage left lol

You being persistent and stubborn doesn't mean you are taking Ws. Imagine poor debate skills and you screaming nonsense with little to nothing to back up said nonsense, and then when people roll their eyes and leave after you don't shut up you go "Wait, did I just win?". LOL this freakin' board, man.

I'll await for you to back up your claim that Romo had a good pass protection from 2009 to 2013 though. I would also like for you to admit that you can have two pro-bowl offensive lineman and still have bad offensive line play. Let's start there, see if you can admit to being wrong.

Jake · Feb 6, 2022

What arguing Romo vs Dak looks like to me.

mattjames2010 · Feb 6, 2022

Jake said:
What arguing Romo vs Dak looks like to me.

Personally I don't really care how anyone feels about Romo, but I take issue with revising history. Acting as if Romo was playing behind a good line most of his career is just complete BS. This entire board was screaming for a better offensive line since 2009 - it's exactly what Garrett prioritized once he became HC.

DFWJC · Feb 6, 2022

VERY Rough guess at ranking offensive lines from 2006 to 2021

2016--Dak (playoffs)
2014--Tony (playoffs)
2015
2007--Tony (playoffs)
2019--Dak
2021--Dak (playoffs)
2006--Tony (playoffs)
2017--Dak
2009--Tony (playoffs)
2018--Dak (playoffs)
2008--Tony
2010
2013--Tony
2020
2012--Tony
2011--Tony

Qcard · Feb 6, 2022

mattjames2010 said:
Gurode was an inconsistent center and he was not playing well at all in 2009 or 2010. Which is why we were okay with allowing him to go after 2010. He started to have his hiccups in 2007. Adams and Gurode nearly got Romo killed plenty of times in 2009. This is the season you THINK the offensive line was good, it wasn't. It was beginning to fall apart and the age of the players were showing. So I will repeat: from 2009 to 2013 Romo had poor or inconsistent pass protection. You suggested the majority of Romo's career was behind a good offensive line. This is wrong, you are wrong and I want you to admit to it.

Wow....this is a LIE!!!

Andre Gurode (Parcells Favorite) destroyed Al Johnson (Fan favorite) in training camp in 2006. Earned the starting job and made the Pro Bowl in 2006.

In 2007 Gurode signed a 6 year Deal $30M, Pro Bowl and ALL PRO Team 2

In 2008 Pro Bowl

In 2009 Pro Bowl and ALL Pro Team 2

After 2011 (Pre-season) Cowboys cut Gurode because he had Off-season surgery, wouldn't take a pay cut and wouldn't have been ready for Camp 2011

The Myth of Romo is DEAD!!!

Typhus · Feb 6, 2022

Ken said:
Pretty sure it was Road Grader. If memory serves.

I didn't see this until i saw someone elses response. Just so you know, I am not like Mountain Cowboy who just joined in the last year...i was on this board Day 1 and with the previous board for YEARS on the MouthOff Sports board.

You think I dont know who you are, I know everyone in this house.
No need to explain.

Typhus · Feb 6, 2022

Ken said:
Pretty sure it was Road Grader. If memory serves.

I didn't see this until i saw someone elses response. Just so you know, I am not like Mountain Cowboy who just joined in the last year...i was on this board Day 1 and with the previous board for YEARS on the MouthOff Sports board.

Ya cool, and that was me btw, its all cool as usual here in da C Zone bro..
Lets all get along and throw down some solid Cowboys narrative always... it attracts both the haters and Lovers and everybody in between as well.
We all learn in this forum, this house, this family,, if we keep our ears open as much as we keep our eyes open,, if that makes any sense then bless you.

mattjames2010 · Feb 6, 2022

Qcard said:
Wow....this is a LIE!!!

Andre Gurode (Parcells Favorite) destroyed Al Johnson (Fan favorite) in training camp in 2006. Earned the starting job and made the Pro Bowl in 2006.

In 2007 Gurode signed a 6 year Deal $30M, Pro Bowl and ALL PRO Team 2

In 2008 Pro Bowl

In 2009 Pro Bowl and ALL Pro Team 2

After 2011 (Pre-season) Cowboys cut Gurode because he had Off-season surgery, wouldn't take a pay cut and wouldn't have been ready for Camp 2011

The Myth of Romo is DEAD!!!

Parcells left after 2006, genius. I said Gurode's play started to become inconsistent in 2007 and finally his age began to show in 2009 and he was ultimately let go after 2010. Nothing at all said here takes away what I said. He was not a great player in 2009 and he certainly wasn't in 2010. If you want to see how much his play slipped, go watch him and Adams get dominated in the Vikings game.

That is also ONE player. How was Flozell Adams? Colombo? How was Davis?

Ken · Feb 6, 2022

mattjames2010 said:
Parcells left after 2006, genius. I said Gurode's play started to become inconsistent in 2007 and finally his age began to show in 2009 and he was ultimately let go after 2010. Nothing at all said here takes away what I said. He was not a great player in 2009 and he certainly wasn't in 2010. If you want to see how much his play slipped, go watch him and Adams get dominated in the Vikings game.

That is also ONE player. How was Flozell Adams? Colombo? How was Davis?

Sorry, I don't buy into the "they were all slipping" theory. The numbers bear that out with how successful the team was offensively. Obviously we are not saying these are 2016, 2007, or 2014 level lines that were the best in the league. We are saying these are likely top 10-12 lines at worst in the seasons we have outlined.

To say that the 2009 line was bad is just laughable.

Obviously we can look at Dak's line this year. 2 pro bowlers and it is highly debatable whether Ty deserves that pro bowl nod or not. They also led the league in penalties as an OL.

But they were good enough to win with. They pass blocked AND run blocked, to me, better than what most would think.

mattjames2010 · Feb 6, 2022

Ken said:
Sorry, I don't buy into the "they were all slipping" theory. The numbers bear that out with how successful the team was offensively. Obviously we are not saying these are 2016, 2007, or 2014 level lines that were the best in the league. We are saying these are likely top 10-12 lines at worst in the seasons we have outlined.

To say that the 2009 line was bad is just laughable.

Obviously we can look at Dak's line this year. 2 pro bowlers and it is highly debatable whether Ty deserves that pro bowl nod or not. They also led the league in penalties as an OL.

But they were good enough to win with. They pass blocked AND run blocked, to me, better than what most would think.

How successful the team was offensively? Our offense wasn't dominating in 2009, we actually had a great defense in the second half of that season and our offense struggled early on. Romo got sacked 34 times. Who was giving up all those pressures?

And Tryon had his best grade since 2015 this year

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-final-2021-offensive-line-rankings

But I guess we put more stock into "pro-bowls" now over sites that delve into analytics and study games rather than popularity contests.

Eddie · Feb 6, 2022

Romo proved to me that he didn't have "it".

Dak has proven to me that he doesn't have "it".

I'd rather look for someone who can than stay with someone who can't.

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