The Big If Is Scaring The Heck Out of Me

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Lol don’t blame the league.

Dallas paid these guys.

These teams know if they overpay for guys others have to go.

The problem with our FO is we never have anyone else developed so we have NO choice but to pay for these dudes. Dlaw, Zeke, etc…..it’s always the same thing……
 

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Since the cap was implemented in 1994 we have won 1 SB (Jimmy's team and thank you GB) and have 3 playoff wins in 26 years.
Does anyone consider that our inept GM and his motley crew of idiots have serious issues with the cap????
 

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Some of you are WAY overestimating the value (or lack thereof) that Tank has been bringing to the Cowboys. He is dragging the average way down on a cost vs production ROI.
 

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If the Cowboys release DLAW for cap purposes, he will have a choice of any team in the league. We will be the real losers, as we do not have anyone to replace him. Dorrance Armstrong may also bolt and we will be left with some mediocre free agent or worse, a green rookie.

Retaining Armstrong is important if DLAW will be released, as he finally showed the talent and performance this year that made him initially a wise draft choice. He probably will be a better LDE replacement than anyone we draft or sign as a free agent.

Gregory will also have to be resigned, but a team with lots of cap room can just overpay him and he will also bolt. Do we then have for DE only Chauncey Golston and the small sized Bardley Anae?

If we lose two DE's to free agencies or a combo of a DLAW release and 1-2 free agent DE's leaving, we will be stripped bare to the bone, as bad as we were going into the 2005 draft, when Parcels drafted DWARE, Marcus Spears, Chris Canty, Jay Ratliff and 3nd round LB K Burnett, Marion Barber.

Stripped so bare, we will not be able to target positions of need in the draft, a center and a guard/tackle for the OL, a LB, a TE if Schultz leaves, another WR if Wilson or Malik Turner leave, or if Coop is cut to find salary cap money.

Once again the National Communist League with the free agent rules will destroy my favorite team. The Jones have an inability to manage the cap, as they overpay too many people.

The Jones crew better be very aggressive in retaining our own free agents early on during the free agency period, or we will be completely taken to the cleaners, wiped out, especially on defense. Promise them some off-the table business opportunities. Get them multi-million endordement deals they do not have now. Hook up the free agents with some big corporations whose exectives' egos would love to have a Cowboy on its board.

Now is the time to move hard and swiftly.

It is better to release him then to continue overpaying. Do not roll renegotiated numbers into the future on him either, unless they it is a bargain.

Tank can still play, but his salary requirements do not meet his production. Spend it elsewhere.
 

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The problem is that the pay is effectively 8m and the production more than matches 8m. JUST for stopping the run that well you pay between 12-13m (based on league contracts) and then he is a better pass rusher than the exclusive run stuffers as well so you get up to around 15-16m to get a DLaw which shows that the contract was terrible but for this year the savings are not worth what you are losing.

Maybe correct, however, we have Basham and expecting Golston to progress into the run stuffing DE role. Point taken that it maybe it's a year early in getting full value out of cutting Tank (though either way he's gone in 2022 or 2023), however, we've enough positions that could use the $8m saving.....including a run blocking DT (rather than edge).
 

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I feel we're 3 yesrs awsy from serious contenders.
Anybody in there 30's should walk.
 

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I feel we're 3 yesrs awsy from serious contenders.
Anybody in there 30's should walk.
This talent pool is already a Dak-wash.
Now Jerry will re-tool the offense for another Dak wave of wanted talents starting with Micah and Diggs.
Nothing changing but the weather.......
 

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It is better to release him then to continue overpaying. Do not roll renegotiated numbers into the future on him either, unless they it is a bargain.

Tank can still play, but his salary requirements do not meet his production. Spend it elsewhere.

Yep, to save $21m to get under the CAP and just to replace those leaving in FA we are going to either Restructure or Cut. When we factor in that we've already overspent in 2023 (even factoring the CAP increase), the restructure route kills future years.

If we look at 2021 and how we filled out the 51 roster, we only had money left for: Urban, Watkins, Canady, Kazee, Hooker, Basham, Nysekhe, Goodwin, Neal and Kearse(the only above JAG performer).....and even they cost $9m over replacement minimum wage.
 

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Here's what's scary to me tank makes 21 million a year Cooper makes 20 million a year Martin and Tyron make roughly 12 million a year Zeke makes 12 million a year and Dak makes like 40.

What sense would it make for any of these guys to go the extra mile and even want to play a playoff game let alone three to get to a game where they make 150k.

Jerry has paid these guys so much that the risk to win a championship is not worth the reward.

Micah Parsons and Trayvon Diggs make about 5 and 1/2 million together so it certainly makes sense that these are the guys that are going 110% at all times trying to make their big contract.

Sorry guys but this is a business we fans are the only ones that really care about winning a championship.

Players have learned a long time ago that they age in dog years and the most important thing is to make money in the small window of time you have in the NFL
 
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The negligence of the Jones group in not signing Dak much earlier to what would have been a much lower annual salary places the team in a bind. DLAW, on the other hand, held off major surgery on his right shoulder labral tear until he outsmarted Jerry and got his monster contract, while compromising his ability to be ready for the next season.

I believe these guys all want to win, but they all want top dollar, even though with one year of these monster salries, their families are set for life.

Jerry Jones voted for the salary cap, even though he should have known it would hurt the Cowboys the most. The team won three Super Bowl games with 4 Tom Landry draft picks/free agents: Michael Irvin, Ken Norton, Nate Newton and Mark Tuinei; all the rest were all the work of Jimmy Johnson and his staff. They got the best talent from everywhere, young, fast, ferocious and hungry.

The salary cap cost them Ken Norton, who led the 49ers defense. It cost them a backup guard Ron Stone who went on to be a star for the Giants. One by one, two by two, we lost our own players and could not replace them, as our salary cap had no money for them. If you draft to replace a leaving star still in his prime, you probably will not recover. You draft a player to be a backup and rise to the level of starter and then you can allow an older player to leave. You cannot let a player go when you do not have a replacement.

I am convinced this NFL salary cap was a doomsday deal to destroy our team in Dallas. The MLB cap is better. You can go over the cap, but must pay a luxury tax. This would be better for Jerry. If he wants to win a Super Bowl before he dies, he better get the NFL cap rule changed and fast. We are about to lose some major talent without the financial ability to replace them.

Heck, I suffered from Feb 1978 to Feb 1993 season with no championship; now the wait is from Feb 1996-Feb 2022 and running with no end in sight.
 

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The negligence of the Jones group in not signing Dak much earlier to what would have been a much lower annual salary places the team in a bind. DLAW, on the other hand, held off major surgery on his right shoulder labral tear until he outsmarted Jerry and got his monster contract, while compromising his ability to be ready for the next season.

I believe these guys all want to win, but they all want top dollar, even though with one year of these monster salries, their families are set for life.

Jerry Jones voted for the salary cap, even though he should have known it would hurt the Cowboys the most. The team won three Super Bowl games with 4 Tom Landry draft picks/free agents: Michael Irvin, Ken Norton, Nate Newton and Mark Tuinei; all the rest were all the work of Jimmy Johnson and his staff. They got the best talent from everywhere, young, fast, ferocious and hungry.

The salary cap cost them Ken Norton, who led the 49ers defense. It cost them a backup guard Ron Stone who went on to be a star for the Giants. One by one, two by two, we lost our own players and could not replace them, as our salary cap had no money for them. If you draft to replace a leaving star still in his prime, you probably will not recover. You draft a player to be a backup and rise to the level of starter and then you can allow an older player to leave. You cannot let a player go when you do not have a replacement.

I am convinced this NFL salary cap was a doomsday deal to destroy our team in Dallas. The MLB cap is better. You can go over the cap, but must pay a luxury tax. This would be better for Jerry. If he wants to win a Super Bowl before he dies, he better get the NFL cap rule changed and fast. We are about to lose some major talent without the financial ability to replace them.

Heck, I suffered from Feb 1978 to Feb 1993 season with no championship; now the wait is from Feb 1996-Feb 2022 and running with no end in sight.

The past has gone, no point in dragging it up (even the Dak contract). You have a point about releasing players without a replacement, unless you've got CAP to sign or a FA or you're going to draft for need rather than BPA.
 

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The negligence of the Jones group in not signing Dak much earlier to what would have been a much lower annual salary places the team in a bind. DLAW, on the other hand, held off major surgery on his right shoulder labral tear until he outsmarted Jerry and got his monster contract, while compromising his ability to be ready for the next season.

I believe these guys all want to win, but they all want top dollar, even though with one year of these monster salries, their families are set for life.

Jerry Jones voted for the salary cap, even though he should have known it would hurt the Cowboys the most. The team won three Super Bowl games with 4 Tom Landry draft picks/free agents: Michael Irvin, Ken Norton, Nate Newton and Mark Tuinei; all the rest were all the work of Jimmy Johnson and his staff. They got the best talent from everywhere, young, fast, ferocious and hungry.

The salary cap cost them Ken Norton, who led the 49ers defense. It cost them a backup guard Ron Stone who went on to be a star for the Giants. One by one, two by two, we lost our own players and could not replace them, as our salary cap had no money for them. If you draft to replace a leaving star still in his prime, you probably will not recover. You draft a player to be a backup and rise to the level of starter and then you can allow an older player to leave. You cannot let a player go when you do not have a replacement.

I am convinced this NFL salary cap was a doomsday deal to destroy our team in Dallas. The MLB cap is better. You can go over the cap, but must pay a luxury tax. This would be better for Jerry. If he wants to win a Super Bowl before he dies, he better get the NFL cap rule changed and fast. We are about to lose some major talent without the financial ability to replace them.

Heck, I suffered from Feb 1978 to Feb 1993 season with no championship; now the wait is from Feb 1996-Feb 2022 and running with no end in sight.
The GM is a football moron who has the job for life.
No Cap would help Jerry get closer to a Superbowl but even he would find ways to screw it up.....
Long as a Jones is the GM we will never win another SB......
Stephen, you're up bud.....:(
 

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The worst part of Jerry hijacking our team and insisting on running it into the ground is his intimidating the local media into not calling him out.

And getting away with it.
 

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If the Cowboys release DLAW for cap purposes, he will have a choice of any team in the league. We will be the real losers, as we do not have anyone to replace him. Dorrance Armstrong may also bolt and we will be left with some mediocre free agent or worse, a green rookie.

Retaining Armstrong is important if DLAW will be released, as he finally showed the talent and performance this year that made him initially a wise draft choice. He probably will be a better LDE replacement than anyone we draft or sign as a free agent.

Gregory will also have to be resigned, but a team with lots of cap room can just overpay him and he will also bolt. Do we then have for DE only Chauncey Golston and the small sized Bardley Anae?

If we lose two DE's to free agencies or a combo of a DLAW release and 1-2 free agent DE's leaving, we will be stripped bare to the bone, as bad as we were going into the 2005 draft, when Parcels drafted DWARE, Marcus Spears, Chris Canty, Jay Ratliff and 3nd round LB K Burnett, Marion Barber.

Stripped so bare, we will not be able to target positions of need in the draft, a center and a guard/tackle for the OL, a LB, a TE if Schultz leaves, another WR if Wilson or Malik Turner leave, or if Coop is cut to find salary cap money.

Once again the National Communist League with the free agent rules will destroy my favorite team. The Jones have an inability to manage the cap, as they overpay too many people.

The Jones crew better be very aggressive in retaining our own free agents early on during the free agency period, or we will be completely taken to the cleaners, wiped out, especially on defense. Promise them some off-the table business opportunities. Get them multi-million endordement deals they do not have now. Hook up the free agents with some big corporations whose exectives' egos would love to have a Cowboy on its board.

Now is the time to move hard and swiftly.

Dallas will have to address but frankly DLaw has been out with injuries more than he has played. Dallas defense without him in the lineup still was winning games. Don't get me wrong would rather not lose him but I do think Dallas can overcome losing him.
 

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The problem with our FO is we never have anyone else developed so we have NO choice but to pay for these dudes. Dlaw, Zeke, etc…..it’s always the same thing……

Lawrence got his big contract based on mistakes made elsewhere. Greg Hardy was a bust. And drafting Taco over TJ Watt guaranteed that they had no choice but to keep him. He benefited more than anyone from their other mistakes.
 

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We used a 3rd rounder on Golston last year.

If people don't want to start him, they also need to quit saying that we draft so well.

They've done ok in the early rounds, but the middle rounds leave plenty to be desired.

When you don't add difference makers in FA and depend fully on the draft....

You can't make picks like Reggie Robinson in the 4th and Nashon Wright in the 3rd....even Golston.

Biadasz is on his way backward. Anae is gone.

I like Gallimore and OO, but two 3rd rounders were spent on those two, and a 2nd on Hill.... and most people around here consider DT a huge problem.

Add in inferior coaching so Jerry doesnt feel threatened and tell me how that all adds up to being a good team.
 

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Dallas will have to address but frankly DLaw has been out with injuries more than he has played. Dallas defense without him in the lineup still was winning games. Don't get me wrong would rather not lose him but I do think Dallas can overcome losing him.

In a salary cap league, teams are often forced to make tough decisions. This is one of those years for us. We tried to make a run in 2021, but obviously came up short.

Now we have to cut costs, try to keep the young talent that we do have, and draft well to quickly reload for another opportunity. And hope that we don’t squander the next one.
 
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