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Dak Dak Dak...really man you should see someone about your thing with Dak
Yeah, we are in a Dak thread in which you are a Dak lover (unapologetically right?) and you're trying to argue Mahomes isn't elite. Any motivation for that considering what the man has accomplished aside from jealousy?

Or perhaps I got my frogs mixed up? Are you not an avid Dak defender? It's like Dak haters claiming they don't really hate him. Are you just as dishonest as them?
 

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I have argued for years on this forum and elsewhere that football is the ultimate team game.

Time and Time again, "internet experts" keep telling me "it's the QB... it's the QB"

Can you "eXpErTs" explain to me how this can be true when the exact same QB in Matt Stafford that "couldn't win a playoff game" is now in the Super Bowl? Could it be that his TEAM is in the Super Bowl and he didn't have that level of TEAM when in Detroit?

How are Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes sitting at home? Could it be that their TEAMS didn't play well enough to win?

Dak is more than capable of going to and winning the super bowl. But HE and the TEAM have to put it all together.
I have argued for years on this forum and elsewhere that football is the ultimate team game.

Time and Time again, "internet experts" keep telling me "it's the QB... it's the QB"

Can you "eXpErTs" explain to me how this can be true when the exact same QB in Matt Stafford that "couldn't win a playoff game" is now in the Super Bowl? Could it be that his TEAM is in the Super Bowl and he didn't have that level of TEAM when in Detroit?

How are Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes sitting at home? Could it be that their TEAMS didn't play well enough to win?

Dak is more than capable of going to and winning the super bowl. But HE and the TEAM have to put it all together.
I have argued for years on this forum and elsewhere that football is the ultimate team game.

Time and Time again, "internet experts" keep telling me "it's the QB... it's the QB"

Can you "eXpErTs" explain to me how this can be true when the exact same QB in Matt Stafford that "couldn't win a playoff game" is now in the Super Bowl? Could it be that his TEAM is in the Super Bowl and he didn't have that level of TEAM when in Detroit?

How are Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes sitting at home? Could it be that their TEAMS didn't play well enough to win?

Dak is more than capable of going to and winning the super bowl. But HE and the TEAM have to put it all together.
QB can make the biggest difference than any other position. 2 years ago bengals won 2 games get a great QB now they are in the Super Bowl. Tampa was trash get Brady win a Super Bowl. Stafford made the lions decent without him they are trash, now he is on a decent team and going to the Super bowl.
 

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Yeah, we are in a Dak thread in which you are a Dak lover (unapologetically right?) and you're trying to argue Mahomes isn't elite. Any motivation for that considering what the man has accomplished aside from jealousy?

Or perhaps I got my frogs mixed up? Are you not an avid Dak defender? It's like Dak haters claiming they don't really hate him. Are you just as dishonest as them?


there are only 2 frogs in this forum i have seen..The other is TexasFrog he does not hate or love Dak he gives an honest opinion. I Have defended Dak but never said he is elite or he is the savior of anything...he is a good QB playing on a Jerry Jones run team (he will not win this way)....I will also say that you will not find "Your Guy" while its "Jerry's way"..those are the facts i have 26 years to back up my statement..I dont care ho it is as long as this Franchise is run by Jerry and run his way we are doomed..I know good players and have seen them but have also seen good players fail when its not one goal one team...I assure you this franchise is not one goal one team....its about "Make me look good" from the owner and this will not work.
 

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QB can make the biggest difference than any other position. 2 years ago bengals won 2 games get a great QB now they are in the Super Bowl. Tampa was trash get Brady win a Super Bowl. Stafford made the lions decent without him they are trash, now he is on a decent team and going to the Super bowl.


LOL then explain Pat Mahomes losing to him....
 

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There’s no helping you if you can’t see the difference in Dak and Mahomes.


Again read what was posted before you keep giving me your Dak took my girfriend stuff.. i dont care be better than Dak if he keeps getting your girl....
 

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there are only 2 frogs in this forum i have seen..The other is TexasFrog he does not hate or love Dak he gives an honest opinion. I Have defended Dak but never said he is elite or he is the savior of anything...he is a good QB playing on a Jerry Jones run team (he will not win this way)....I will also say that you will not find "Your Guy" while its "Jerry's way"..those are the facts i have 26 years to back up my statement..I dont care ho it is as long as this Franchise is run by Jerry and run his way we are doomed..I know good players and have seen them but have also seen good players fail when its not one goal one team...I assure you this franchise is not one goal one team....its about "Make me look good" from the owner and this will not work.
I don't want to defend Jerry. Can't stand the guy, but players ultimately have the ball in their hands and can win despite Jerry. Let me rag on Mahomes. His defense put him in impossible position to win against Buffalo, but he did it. Then he choked against the Bengals. That's on him. He has to own that.

Dak has had opportunities. I don't mind failure. Everyone fails. Everyone. But winners eventually win. They typically consistently compete at the highest levels. They may fall short, but they are in contention consistently.

There is a big difference between Dak and Mahomes. We are arguing (wish we were just debating) whether Mahomes is elite or not. The difference between the 2 is substantial. Mahomes has accomplished way more and I consider Dak having the benefit of the better overall talent around him on average for their careers. If Mahomes isn't elite, I can't even justify Dak being top 10 and that's where I would put him in every year. Dak was trending top 5 earlier this year until the slump. But there is a large gap between Mahomes and Dak. That gap to me was Mahomes is elite and Dak is top 10 type QB. If Mahomes isn't elite, Dak falls considerably, regardless of the number of sorry QBs he's better than. He's just a better JAG than the other JAGs.
 

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I don't want to defend Jerry. Can't stand the guy, but players ultimately have the ball in their hands and can win despite Jerry. Let me rag on Mahomes. His defense put him in impossible position to win against Buffalo, but he did it. Then he choked against the Bengals. That's on him. He has to own that.

Dak has had opportunities. I don't mind failure. Everyone fails. Everyone. But winners eventually win. They typically consistently compete at the highest levels. They may fall short, but they are in contention consistently.

There is a big difference between Dak and Mahomes. We are arguing (wish we were just debating) whether Mahomes is elite or not. The difference between the 2 is substantial. Mahomes has accomplished way more and I consider Dak having the benefit of the better overall talent around him on average for their careers. If Mahomes isn't elite, I can't even justify Dak being top 10 and that's where I would put him in every year. Dak was trending top 5 earlier this year until the slump. But there is a large gap between Mahomes and Dak. That gap to me was Mahomes is elite and Dak is top 10 type QB. If Mahomes isn't elite, Dak falls considerably, regardless of the number of sorry QBs he's better than. He's just a better JAG than the other JAGs.


I agree to a point, heres my only point, could Dak succeed in a team that has clear direction with a real GM and real HC who has power. Again there is no argument who is better so far between Dak and Mahomes NONE AT ALL..but if i brought Mahomes here and he played for this "Jerry run" team does he win one? If Dak played for Andy's team (which there is no doubt who runs it) does he bring it home..again no way to know.. again i dont believe that we have had bad players for 26 years...Yes i have lived and died with these players the whole time..Romo was a great QB..Ware was a game changing pass rusher, Woodson was a great player..sorry i played the game at a high level and these players just seem to die here....Jerry is a cancer and there is no cure.
 

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I agree to a point, heres my only point, could Dak succeed in a team that has clear direction with a real GM and real HC who has power. Again there is no argument who is better so far between Dak and Mahomes NONE AT ALL..but if i brought Mahomes here and he played for this "Jerry run" team does he win one? If Dak played for Andy's team (which there is no doubt who runs it) does he bring it home..again no way to know.. again i dont believe that we have had bad players for 26 years...Yes i have lived and died with these players the whole time..Romo was a great QB..Ware was a game changing pass rusher, Woodson was a great player..sorry i played the game at a high level and these players just seem to die here....Jerry is a cancer and there is no cure.
You don't have invalid points. They are worth exploring. My point is, are you intentionally trying to discredit Mahomes because he isn't here and I tried to get to this level of omission before starting the conversation. I think they are stand alone issues.

#1 - Mahomes has been elite.
#2 - Could he be elite with the Cowboys?

My gut tells me he couldn't because Jerry treats players as if they are 5 time SB champions. To overcome that, Mahomes would have to drag the team to success. Could he do it? Maybe, maybe not. I just know he is the main reason KC has had recent success and I'd love the Cowboys to get to the same spot. I'd enjoy it even more if it's Dak who is the QB because I was a big advocate in keeping him as the starter instead of trading for Foles in 2016, who ultimately went on to win the SB with Philly a year (or two) later.
 

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You don't have invalid points. They are worth exploring. My point is, are you intentionally trying to discredit Mahomes because he isn't here and I tried to get to this level of omission before starting the conversation. I think they are stand alone issues.

#1 - Mahomes has been elite.
#2 - Could he be elite with the Cowboys?

My gut tells me he couldn't because Jerry treats players as if they are 5 time SB champions. To overcome that, Mahomes would have to drag the team to success. Could he do it? Maybe, maybe not. I just know he is the main reason KC has had recent success and I'd love the Cowboys to get to the same spot. I'd enjoy it even more if it's Dak who is the QB because I was a big advocate in keeping him as the starter instead of trading for Foles in 2016, who ultimately went on to win the SB with Philly a year (or two) later.


LOL il give you this..you dont give up...Mahomes has a way to go to be elite..we will see on this, again great talent with great situation.. your wrong about one thing,,KC is great because Andy..he is a great coach and he has dragged lesser teams there..open your eyes man, the diference between P Mahomes and Colt McCoy is small and only really preference and place...again played the game at a high level, Andy saw McNabb in Mahomes and really thats a stretch because Mahomes did nothing in colllege to put him there to be honest...you keep wanting this huge gap in talent..open your eyes THEY ARE ALL VERY TALENTED..its about where and when on who makes it...again no one has made it in 26 years of this franchise..its not the players!!!! A;; the players are talented..Ridiculously talented.....
 

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LOL il give you this..you dont give up...Mahomes has a way to go to be elite..we will see on this, again great talent with great situation.. your wrong about one thing,,KC is great because Andy..he is a great coach and he has dragged lesser teams there..open your eyes man, the diference between P Mahomes and Colt McCoy is small and only really preference and place...again played the game at a high level, Andy saw McNabb in Mahomes and really thats a stretch because Mahomes did nothing in colllege to put him there to be honest...you keep wanting this huge gap in talent..open your eyes THEY ARE ALL VERY TALENTED..its about where and when on who makes it...again no one has made it in 26 years of this franchise..its not the players!!!! A;; the players are talented..Ridiculously talented.....
Did you really just say the difference between Mahomes and McCoy is a small difference and, at the same time, tell me multiple times to open my eyes? This is CNN level of brainwashing.
 

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Did you really just say the difference between Mahomes and McCoy is a small difference and, at the same time, tell me multiple times to open my eyes? This is CNN level of brainwashing.

yes for sure.. can you prove its not?
 

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Did you really just say the difference between Mahomes and McCoy is a small difference and, at the same time, tell me multiple times to open my eyes? This is CNN level of brainwashing.


Do you realy think colt gets lucky?
 

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Did you really just say the difference between Mahomes and McCoy is a small difference and, at the same time, tell me multiple times to open my eyes? This is CNN level of brainwashing.

Again Colt wouldnt be throwing in this league if he couldnt do it...he can make every thrown with no problem...you know when you say Dak is great when his O- line gives him time....what does this mean to you whats the time and what the window for a throw?
 

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Did you really just say the difference between Mahomes and McCoy is a small difference and, at the same time, tell me multiple times to open my eyes? This is CNN level of brainwashing.

Are you telling me ryan leaf didnt have arm talent?
 

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Did you really just say the difference between Mahomes and McCoy is a small difference and, at the same time, tell me multiple times to open my eyes? This is CNN level of brainwashing.


you may or may not have played..any QB drafted into the NFL has talent..those are facts...they performed well enough in to get there..they can all thorw the ball just fine
 

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Did you really just say the difference between Mahomes and McCoy is a small difference and, at the same time, tell me multiple times to open my eyes? This is CNN level of brainwashing.

BTW McCoys team beat the brakes off Mahomes team in college any day..McCoy wouldve had better stats and walked off laughing at Mahomes..thats just a fact. Look at it this way TCU QB was Trevone Boykin and he literally beat the brake off Mahomes team no **** like 50-10 and was well on his way...he then deicided to be a ridiculous ******* and start being a thug before his bowl game. He gets drafted by the Seahwaks plays 2 good games while Russ is hurt and then decides to be a ******* again...Like i said they all have talent..its when and where that makes them great or just a no one nobody hears about.
 

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BTW McCoys team beat the brakes off Mahomes team in college any day..McCoy wouldve had better stats and walked off laughing at Mahomes..thats just a fact. Look at it this way TCU QB was Trevone Boykin and he literally beat the brake off Mahomes team no **** like 50-10 and was well on his way...he then deicided to be a ridiculous ******* and start being a thug before his bowl game. He gets drafted by the Seahwaks plays 2 good games while Russ is hurt and then decides to be a ******* again...Like i said they all have talent..its when and where that makes them great or just a no one nobody hears about.
So that wasn’t a mistake and you doubled down on it because of college. Hopefully you were drunk last night. If you read your posts this morning and aren’t embarrassed, you have no shame. If you’re still serious about your takes, you shouldn’t argue about QBs and you need to stop defending Dak. It’s like people trying to claim Dalton was better than Dak. No way it can be taken seriously, they were just doing it due to a personal bias.
 

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QB can make the biggest difference than any other position. 2 years ago bengals won 2 games get a great QB now they are in the Super Bowl. Tampa was trash get Brady win a Super Bowl. Stafford made the lions decent without him they are trash, now he is on a decent team and going to the Super bowl.
Tampa was not as trash as you say. They had a decent team.

What happened is they replaced a trash QB.
 

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What's funny. Brady in his 40's had 168 TD's. Aikman's entire career, 165 TD's. Whine about that one lol.
 
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