Linehan Vs Moore

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One thing Linehan did and any OC with a half a brain will do is feature his top WR. Linehan did it in Detroit with Megatron and he did it with Dez and with Cooper in 2018.

Cooper had some monster games in 2018 even with the defenses focusing on him because Linehan and Dak kept going to him.

Not so much with KM. I wasn't sure who Cooper was talking about back then but now I can see all the passive aggressive complaints from Cooper from end of 2019 till last season was about KM.
 

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Also matters if QB checks into wrong play because they’re confused by disguised D.
Also matters if the defense knows your checks and manipulates you into the look or play they want. You wouldn't know anything about that doh...
 

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Also matters if the defense knows your checks and manipulates you into the look or play they want. You wouldn't know anything about that doh...
That’s what studying tape is for so you know D tendencies.It goes both ways.I know a lot about it.
 

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That’s what studying tape is for so you know D tendencies.It goes both ways.
You're right about that. The good teams self scout and have tendency breakers which can lead to big plays when executed properly. The QB also has rules on any given play that he is expected to abide by. For instance the Cowboys don't really run draws. Why? Because in there playbook they only want it to be run with a 6 man box. If they call that play and Dak sees anything more than 6 in the box, he is expected to kill that play and go on to the second play.
 

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The last few years I noticed something very unusual.

The beginning of Daks career under Linehan I recall a decent number of close games he won, even if he was down at the beginning.

2019 and the boy genius appears. Since 2019 I've noticed that the game is usually decided by half time. If the cowboys are up 10 or more it's a guaranteed win. If the cowboys are down 10 or more, it's a guaranteed loss. Basically the Cowboys are front Runners. And that seems to coincide with Moore taking over.

If Moore is allowed to design the offense, but McCarthy calls the plays would you be good with that? I know I would. The issue with Moore seems to be he doesn't know how to counterpunch.

I think we're seeing some of the same failure to adjust. In 2016, we had a strong running game and a great short-pass outlet in Beasley. Defenses adjusted by taking away our short-range game, leaving us with Prescott trying to get the ball downfield to players who were no longer as big of a downfield threat. The bracket coverage on Beasley allowed defenses to keep an extra man close to the line for the running game. Linehan's downfall had to do with not being able to counter that.

Moore had teams yo-yoing early this season because if they played two-deep we ran successfully and if they played man, we attacked them with downfield passing. They adjusted by playing a shell game to confuse the offense. They went away from traditional four-man rushes, often showing blitz and then dropping players, including defensive linemen into the short zones. That way they had extra players up to play the run or drop out and they avoided going one-on-one with our offensive line, often overloading a side where one lineman was left with no one to block while another had to pick between rushers.

Now, there were opportunities that we missed and that just encouraged defenses to keep playing that way.
 

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Moore is just a fake smart guy that throws plays at the wall and hope it sticks.. no game plan and uses superior players to beat up on terrible teams but when he needs to step up he gets demolished by the opposite coaches.


Linehan lacked creativity and that was a huge problem. But he was much more balanced and knew how he wanted to attack the defense.

It’s quite simple really. Which offense did you feel more confident in heading into the playoffs. The 2021 Cowboys or the 2014 Cowboys. It’s not even close. The 2021 offense was all show no substance. The 2014 offense was legit.
 

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Moore is just a fake smart guy that throws plays at the wall and hope it sticks.. no game plan and uses superior players to beat up on terrible teams but when he needs to step up he gets demolished by the opposite coaches.


Linehan lacked creativity and that was a huge problem. But he was much more balanced and knew how he wanted to attack the defense.

It’s quite simple really. Which offense did you feel more confident in heading into the playoffs. The 2021 Cowboys or the 2014 Cowboys. It’s not even close. The 2021 offense was all show no substance. The 2014 offense was legit.
For sure 2014. You had a better Oline, running game and also a eight year veteran who was not interested in taking hits and understood where the ball should go even if the play was for someone else.
 

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No matter how good or bad the play design is...if you can't run the ball and your OL is a penalty waiting to happen, there is no qb in the league who can consistently excel in that environment.
True but having said all that. . .Dak still sucks
 

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Moore is just a fake smart guy that throws plays at the wall and hope it sticks.. no game plan and uses superior players to beat up on terrible teams but when he needs to step up he gets demolished by the opposite coaches.


Linehan lacked creativity and that was a huge problem. But he was much more balanced and knew how he wanted to attack the defense.

It’s quite simple really. Which offense did you feel more confident in heading into the playoffs. The 2021 Cowboys or the 2014 Cowboys. It’s not even close. The 2021 offense was all show no substance. The 2014 offense was legit.
2014 was awsome . . . but If you put Romo on the 2021 team they are equal and Kellen maybe the head coach of Miami
 

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I think Kellen Moore's success in 2019 had much to do with the Cowboys OL being far better than it is now. That has changed. :omg:
 

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Moore had teams yo-yoing early this season because if they played two-deep we ran successfully and if they played man, we attacked them with downfield passing. They adjusted by playing a shell game to confuse the offense. (DAK) They went away from traditional four-man rushes, often showing blitz and then dropping players, including defensive linemen into the short zones. That way they had extra players up to play the run or drop out and they avoided going one-on-one with our offensive line, often overloading a side where one lineman was left with no one to block while another had to pick between rushers.

Now, there were opportunities that we (DAK) missed and that just encouraged defenses to keep playing that way.
There fixed it for you
 

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If McCarthy mailed it in, I'm sure that has to do with the culture Jerry has created and maybe even some resentment. I get the impression Moore was forced on MM. Big Mike has always called the plays even though he had an OC. He comes here and doesn't interfere with Moore at all(who is still new to the OC position). Jerry has also made some "odd" comments about McCarthy's status about being the coach of the team. With that said, Big Mike wanted a job real bad so this nonsense is what he signed up for. So he definitely has to take "some" of the blame. But this is a situation Jerry creates.


I think mcCarthy like several prominent coaches that have come here saw the cowboys as an opportunity to make big money and do very little. McCarthy has already said he let's Moore do his thing. But we all know Moore is young, still learning offensive design and play calling. As bright as Moore is he still needs help and he doesn't seem to be getting it. Put Moore under McVay for 2 years he'd likely be much further along in his coaching development than how it's been under McCarthy.
 

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That's not completely true. Defenses tend to catch on to an offense running the same plays over and over again.


You are right. But if the play designs are really good you can still use them over and over. That's how Goff went to the SB. He ran about 6 plays, ok it was more than that but he ran 6 plays alot based off 1 offensive set. That's why teams know what we are doing we have 1 formation for every play. Makes it too easy on defenses.
 

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no matter how good or bad the play designs are, the QB is ultimately the reason a play fails or succeeds. good/bad reads, accurate/inaccurate throws, check in/out of plays
WRONG

the OL needs to do their jobs fiorst, not get penalties, WRs need to run correct routes and not drop passes, Rbs need to block and catch..its team game stop the nonsense the qb is where it stars and ends..the trenches are the key THe qb may have the ball but far too many moving parts in a team sport to shuv all that on their shoulders. NONSENSE

the OP is also wrong Dak still led comebacks this season using word like guarantee when its not a fact is also ridiculous longest offseason EVER. Such ridiculous statements
 

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WRONG

the OL needs to do their jobs fiorst, not get penalties, WRs need to run correct routes and not drop passes, Rbs need to block and catch..its team game stop the nonsense the qb is where it stars and ends..the trenches are the key THe qb may have the ball but far too many moving parts in a team sport to shuv all that on their shoulders. NONSENSE

the OP is also wrong Dak still led comebacks this season using word like guarantee when its not a fact is also ridiculous longest offseason EVER. Such ridiculous statements
How about when you check to a run into the teeth of the D vs. an 8 man box?
 

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How about when you check to a run into the teeth of the D vs. an 8 man front?
how about you prove dak does this, not guess, not hear what you choose to hear but actual facts,.,.

this is More of a Moore issue to a degree but a team cna not function playing behind the chains moist of game having all big plays erased over penalty's..down the stretch against the Better teams and the 9ers the OL was the biggest concern..period.

the playbook is for 1st and 10 not first and 20 and we played like that a large part of the game.
 

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Linehan is basically KM s daddy, offenses they run are pocket based, run between the tackles.
Dak needs a run and shoot offense to be effective.
 

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how about you prove dak does this, not guess, not hear what you choose to hear but actual facts,.,.

this is More of a Moore issue to a degree but a team cna not function playing behind the chains moist of game having all big plays erased over penalty's..down the stretch against the Better teams and the 9ers the OL was the biggest concern..period.

the playbook is for 1st and 10 not first and 20 and we played like that a large part of the game.
Dak did this quite a few times this year as he will never be confused for having Peyton Manning’s head & confused vs. a disguised D at the last second.Believe me, he’s not the only guilty QB to do this.Of course wonderboy’s play calls often don’t help.But you’re right, better play calls and better blocking would sure help as players still need to do their jobs and block, catch, and not be penalized.
 

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Dak did this quite a few times this year as he will never be confused for having Peyton Manning’s head & confused vs. a disguised D at the last second.Believe me, he’s not the only guilty QB to do this.Of course wonderboy’s play calls often don’t help.But you’re right, better play calls and better blocking would sure help as players still need to do their jobs and block, catch, and not be penalized.
really Pmannig never made mistake reading defenses??

how do you explain the high rate of interceptions over his career? it happens to ALL of them,.daks not elite but havig qb ranked 6-10 somewhere is all team should need to go far, its more of the other things being discussed holding us back not Dak.
 
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