Linehan Vs Moore

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really Pmannig never made mistake reading defenses??

how do you explain the high rate of interceptions over his career? it happens to ALL of them,.daks not elite but havig qb ranked 6-10 somewhere is all team should need to go far, its more of the other things being discussed holding us back not Dak.
You’re right, everybody does, even the greats.It’s a combo of so many things holding us back starting w/ dumb & dumber who don’t let football people do football things because of massive ego.The culture they create.Lack of mental & physical toughness, bad coaching and play calls.Accountability is also a huge problem.A culmination of so many things is why we all yell at the tv on Sundays.
 

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really Pmannig never made mistake reading defenses??

how do you explain the high rate of interceptions over his career? it happens to ALL of them,.daks not elite but havig qb ranked 6-10 somewhere is all team should need to go far, its more of the other things being discussed holding us back not Dak.
Not sure why people think so poorly of Dak. There is poor QB around the league I think Dak is in the 3-5 QBs that are in the same tier as Dak and 6-7 above him. That means the majority of Teams don't have someone like Dak as there QB. All QBs make boneheaded decisions at times. Dak is most definitely good enough to take the team far.
 

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Its Linehan wanted to attack the front seven and play off putting them in 2 and shorts....KM has no scheme no plan just a collection of plays he calls, it really doesnt attack anything or set anything up....Thats the problem. When defenses backed up and took away the chunk plays it was easy to see there was confusion everywhere and no plan to get them out of it. The Chargers game really came down to thier front 7 was not as good as it was sold and that proved out over the season...they were ran on by most of the league.
 

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WRONG

the OL needs to do their jobs fiorst, not get penalties, WRs need to run correct routes and not drop passes, Rbs need to block and catch..its team game stop the nonsense the qb is where it stars and ends..the trenches are the key THe qb may have the ball but far too many moving parts in a team sport to shuv all that on their shoulders. NONSENSE

the OP is also wrong Dak still led comebacks this season using word like guarantee when its not a fact is also ridiculous longest offseason EVER. Such ridiculous statements
OL played poorly at times this year, but got blamed for Dak holding onto the ball too long, stepping up in the pocket or leaving the pocket when there was no pressure that led to sacks. What about the piss poor passes into the ground, over and behind receivers heads? What about the constant short, safe passes even with time instead throwing to open receivers elsewhere? What about the refusing to run for easy gains and taking sacks instead? Everyone has to do their jobs better, but Dak needs to do better the most. He is one of the biggest links on this team. The highest paid player on the team can't be the weakest link.
 

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I don't blame it all on one player. The offensive line didn't make good adjustments to the variety of four-man rushes defenses were using. The receivers have adjustments in their routes that they have to make based on the coverage they see. And the quarterback has to recognize what the defense is actually doing instead of what it is showing and adjust the calls or pick the right place to go with the ball. Even the backs have to recognize where the hole is going to be in order to maximize a run. There were times when one of those failed and there were times when all of them failed.

It is up to the offensive coordinator to recognize when those things are failing and figure out how to move the ball. Execution is certainly a part of it, but scheme adjustments are a very important part. Linehan was unable to adjust when defenses ran bracket coverage to take away the run and quick pass. Moore has been unable to adjust to disguised pass rushes and shell coverage. Both simply seemed to believe, like Garrett, that better execution was all that was needed, but scheming players open is just as important because there are good players on both sides of the ball trying to win the execution battle and sometimes you win and sometimes they do.
 

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The last few years I noticed something very unusual.

The beginning of Daks career under Linehan I recall a decent number of close games he won, even if he was down at the beginning.

2019 and the boy genius appears. Since 2019 I've noticed that the game is usually decided by half time. If the cowboys are up 10 or more it's a guaranteed win. If the cowboys are down 10 or more, it's a guaranteed loss. Basically the Cowboys are front Runners. And that seems to coincide with Moore taking over.

If Moore is allowed to design the offense, but McCarthy calls the plays would you be good with that? I know I would. The issue with Moore seems to be he doesn't know how to counterpunch.

- Nope, ... i wouldn't advise or suggest MM call plays, ..

If Anything,.. i'd let McCarthy add his design and suggestions to the RB scheme,. .both run and pass, and that means far more misdirection and misleading, unbalanced formations.
The split back set, quick flairs an swings and screen passes (an area KM has failed to develop)

- Kellen will and has design that current offense in according to His philosophy and X's and O's,.. .and that's the Time Rhythm based offense sumthn he was tutored and groomed in under Linehan himself.
- While McCarthy is a West Coast guy, ..they can talk about both terminology be related and all the same, but i don't buy it.
One system is predicated on throwing to a spot in a vertical passes which a receiver breaks and leads into,.. while another system and style places more emphasis on short, horizonal passes that lures defenses into eventual breakdowns with long pass gains by RB, WR ,..

- Until this 2nd half slump, I had no issues with how Moore designs in how he schemed the ball to the WRs and TEs, ....Kellen emphasized bunch formation, rub routes and pre-snap shifts, motion,
no huddle quick tempo, and pushing the ball downfield, .. that was a far cry more than what i was seeing under Linehan.
 

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- Nope, ... i wouldn't advise or suggest MM call plays, ..

If Anything,.. i'd let McCarthy add his design and suggestions to the RB scheme,. .both run and pass, and that means far more misdirection and misleading, unbalanced formations.
The split back set, quick flairs an swings and screen passes (an area KM has failed to develop)

- Kellen will and has design that current offense in according to His philosophy and X's and O's,.. .and that's the Time Rhythm based offense sumthn he was tutored and groomed in under Linehan himself.
- While McCarthy is a West Coast guy, ..they can talk about both terminology be related and all the same, but i don't buy it.
One system is predicated on throwing to a spot in a vertical passes which a receiver breaks and leads into,.. while another system and style places more emphasis on short, horizonal passes that lures defenses into eventual breakdowns with long pass gains by RB, WR ,..

- Until this 2nd half slump, I had no issues with how Moore designs in how he schemed the ball to the WRs and TEs, ....Kellen emphasized bunch formation, rub routes and pre-snap shifts, motion,
no huddle quick tempo, and pushing the ball downfield, .. that was a far cry more than what i was seeing under Linehan.

Then Kellen stopped, he panicked, his starting QB panicked and struggled,. .the 21 personnel stopped, the Pollard jet sweeps stopped, and the persistent resorting to those overuse, predictable
and ineffective WR bubble screens, .etc.

- Even before that i was already Kellen was his “mis-use & under-use of his RBs, per designs per run and pass and amount of shared reps and touches among No.1 and No.2 backs,
but at least KM was hiding, cloaking the RB issues with early productive run game - up until the NE Pat game.

Then KM became even more conservative, got more confused and stop what was working on rare occasions (jet sweeps, wild cat, etc)
, ..and not making in-game adjustment vs opponents became more apparent.. It wasn't just Kellen, as Dak added to some issues of his own as well.

- Not being able to run the ball, ..hurt big time, made us one dimensional and placed our OC/QB in positions they did not know how to adjust, counter-scheme,
and that proved and led to our downfall and end to the entire season,..imo. .
 

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McCarthy doesn't know the details of each play I am convinced of that more has some flaws in his play designs McCarthy sits in the meeting rooms all week long doesn't help more correct any of the play design issues and just lets more call whatever he wants. For the most part it looks like McCarthy just mailed it in

McCarthy is involved with the game plan they put in, Moore in not running anything other teams are not running. People act as if Moore is designing plays, these plays the Cowboys run are ran through out the NFL. I have seen nothing new. It is how put plays together and calling the right plays at the right time. As for Linehan I have no issue with him but people here complained when he was coaching here.
 

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Then Kellen stopped, he panicked, his starting
- Even before that i was already Kellen was his “mis-use & under-use of his RBs, per designs per run and pass and amount of shared reps and touches among No.1 and No.2 backs,
but at least KM was hiding, cloaking the RB issues with early productive run game - up until the NE Pat game. Then KM became even more conservative,
:hammer:What's funny? How can everyone love Moore & talk about him as a potential HC candidate, & then blame McCarthy for every bad offensive play call. Either it’s McCarthy’s offense, or it’s Moore’s. Can’t pick & choose based on results.
 

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I think Moore has to do a better job adjusting his schemes, no question Cowboys lead the NFL in offense so the notion that everything he did was wrong I can't agree with. There were many positives on offense. However as the season wore on Moore never seemed to adjust his offense to counter what defense was doing. While I do not think Moore is ready for the role of HC, I do think Moore is capable of learning from things that worked and things he must improve on.
 

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Moore, JG, and Linny are all from the same tree of offense. Linny was the best of those three for sure. Having said that I hate this offense and we’ve seen it for over 10 years.
 

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McCarthy is involved with the game plan they put in, Moore in not running anything other teams are not running. People act as if Moore is designing plays, these plays the Cowboys run are ran through out the NFL. I have seen nothing new. It is how put plays together and calling the right plays at the right time. As for Linehan I have no issue with him but people here complained when he was coaching here.


McCarthy has already said it's all Moore. I think mcCarthy sits in on the offensive meeting with the other coaches but we're not seeing Moore grow as an OC like we should. I'd agree were seeing the same types of plays but other teams do a better job of setting them up and better route combo's to get the target guy open.
 

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The last few years I noticed something very unusual.

The beginning of Daks career under Linehan I recall a decent number of close games he won, even if he was down at the beginning.

2019 and the boy genius appears. Since 2019 I've noticed that the game is usually decided by half time. If the cowboys are up 10 or more it's a guaranteed win. If the cowboys are down 10 or more, it's a guaranteed loss. Basically the Cowboys are front Runners. And that seems to coincide with Moore taking over.

If Moore is allowed to design the offense, but McCarthy calls the plays would you be good with that? I know I would. The issue with Moore seems to be he doesn't know how to counterpunch.
One of the reasons why MM lost the Green Bay coaching job was due to stale, predictable play calling. I don’t see where MM would offer much of an improvement. In Moore’s defense, no play caller looks good when the players don’t execute. At some point the players should be held accountable. Connor Williams holding penalties on third down was enough to ruin a coaches reputation.
 

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The last few years I noticed something very unusual.

The beginning of Daks career under Linehan I recall a decent number of close games he won, even if he was down at the beginning.

2019 and the boy genius appears. Since 2019 I've noticed that the game is usually decided by half time. If the cowboys are up 10 or more it's a guaranteed win. If the cowboys are down 10 or more, it's a guaranteed loss. Basically the Cowboys are front Runners. And that seems to coincide with Moore taking over.

If Moore is allowed to design the offense, but McCarthy calls the plays would you be good with that? I know I would. The issue with Moore seems to be he doesn't know how to counterpunch.

LOL.....No matter who the OC is this offense under the leadership of #4 will falter against a good defense.
FG after FG after FG or 3 and outs is Prescott's claim to fame......
 

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The last few years I noticed something very unusual.

The beginning of Daks career under Linehan I recall a decent number of close games he won, even if he was down at the beginning.

2019 and the boy genius appears. Since 2019 I've noticed that the game is usually decided by half time. If the cowboys are up 10 or more it's a guaranteed win. If the cowboys are down 10 or more, it's a guaranteed loss. Basically the Cowboys are front Runners. And that seems to coincide with Moore taking over.

If Moore is allowed to design the offense, but McCarthy calls the plays would you be good with that? I know I would. The issue with Moore seems to be he doesn't know how to counterpunch.

the problem i have with Moore is the same I had with JG. it is more our guys will beat your guys but I don't see schemes. something to the effect that i will use 2-3 guys to clear and area for another guy.

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The last few years I noticed something very unusual.

The beginning of Daks career under Linehan I recall a decent number of close games he won, even if he was down at the beginning.

2019 and the boy genius appears. Since 2019 I've noticed that the game is usually decided by half time. If the cowboys are up 10 or more it's a guaranteed win. If the cowboys are down 10 or more, it's a guaranteed loss. Basically the Cowboys are front Runners. And that seems to coincide with Moore taking over.

If Moore is allowed to design the offense, but McCarthy calls the plays would you be good with that? I know I would. The issue with Moore seems to be he doesn't know how to counterpunch.
I want McCarthy to have total control of the offense
Thats his specialty.
That's what he needs to focus on IMHO
 

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McCarthy has already said it's all Moore. I think mcCarthy sits in on the offensive meeting with the other coaches but we're not seeing Moore grow as an OC like we should. I'd agree were seeing the same types of plays but other teams do a better job of setting them up and better route combo's to get the target guy open.

As I said I think there are things he has to do better with but I will not just throw out the good as if it never happened He has been OC for 3 years and in 2 of the season (2019 and 2021) Dallas offense ranked #1 2019 6th in scoring offense and in 2021 1st scoring. I don't say this to claim all is well, I think there are things as an OC he must improve on but for anyone to act as if an OC whose offense has ranked #1 2 out of 3 season and he is lousy? lol sorry not buying into the mob mentality.
 

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As I said I think there are things he has to do better with but I will not just throw out the good as if it never happened He has been OC for 3 years and in 2 of the season (2019 and 2021) Dallas offense ranked #1 2019 6th in scoring offense and in 2021 1st scoring. I don't say this to claim all is well, I think there are things as an OC he must improve on but for anyone to act as if an OC whose offense has ranked #1 2 out of 3 season and he is lousy? lol sorry not buying into the mob mentality.
A lot of those #’s were accumulated against NFC least and playing catch-up.I don’t think he’s awful, but he needs to learn to adjust to what D is doing, especially against better competition.It would be nice if McCarthy would pitch in also, which I believe he’s not doing.
 
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