News: Trade Scenario- Coop to Baltimore for Peters and a 3rd?

Bullflop · Mar 1, 2022

stasheroo said:
CeeDee is the only one under contract. Therefore, we don’t actually have them as ‘other receivers’.

I can't see them all being sent packing -- some will have to be retained. Cooper's contract isn't one that makes us cap secure by any means.

Stash · Mar 1, 2022

Bullflop said:
I can't see them all being sent packing -- some will have to be retained.

Wanting a free agent and getting a free agent are two entirely different things.

Cooper's contract isn't one that makes us cap secure by any means.

That’s a point that nobody is arguing. The argument would be how big of a drop off would the offense suffer without him?

Based on 2021? Pretty significant. They were winless without Cooper.

Bullflop · Mar 1, 2022

jrumann59 said:
That is the whole WR corps

Cooper's contract is the main one that's a cap killer. Wilson and Gallup might be retained if they're willing to sign an affordable deal. I'm also hoping Malik Turner displays the promise he showed in limited time last year. Maintaining the WR production we had last year won't be likely to be duplicated in 2022. Something has to give to re-sign the many overpaid talents we now have in house. I'm expecting this season to be a major challenge to come even close to last year's production. The defense will likely have to step up considerably, from the looks of things.

OGCowboy · Mar 1, 2022

Nah...i want to get younger and with no attitudes. I want draft picks

Bullflop · Mar 1, 2022

stasheroo said:
Wanting a free agent and getting a free agent are two entirely different things.

That’s a point that nobody is arguing. The argument would be how big of a drop off would the offense suffer without him?

Based on 2021? Pretty significant. They were winless without Cooper.

That's a fact that might have to be dealt with if he's not retained. I'm expecting Stephen to become even more unpopular this year when the cuts and/or possible trades are activated. Hopefully, Dan Quinn might enjoy another year of bringing the defense along to make up for the swoon that seems likely to threaten our offense. Perhaps some good will come from the draft and vet VA, although it would be something unusually new for us regarding vet FA. It seems entirely possible we'll settle for the 3rd-tier guys again in 2022.

Stash · Mar 1, 2022

Bullflop said:
That's a fact that might have to be dealt with if he's not retained. I'm expecting Stephen to become even more unpopular this year when the cuts and/or possible trades are activated.

No doubt about that. Most if this cap mess is because of Stephen Jones. He’s awful at his job of player contracts and if he wasn’t family, any other team would have fired him.

Hopefully, Dan Quinn might enjoy another year of bringing the defense along to make up for the swoon that seems likely to threaten our offense. Perhaps some good will come from the draft and vet VA, although it would be something unusually new for us regarding vet FA. It seems entirely possible we'll settle for the 3rd-tier guys again in 2022.

I think some changes to the offense might be a good thing. What I mean by that is that they couldn’t have the same tendencies that teams seemed to have figured out.

Initially, I had accepted that we could say goodbye to both Gallup and Cooper, and we still might. But the more I look at it, the more I see the drop off without Cooper.

I’m not big on restructures but in his case, we may have to. I want Lawrence’s contract gone but we may have to pay Cooper one more year. The offense just wasn’t close to the same without him.

jrumann59 · Mar 1, 2022

Bullflop said:
Cooper's contract is the main one that's a cap killer. Wilson and Gallup might be retained if they're willing to sign an affordable deal. I'm also hoping Malik Turner displays the promise he showed in limited time last year. Maintaining the WR production we had last year won't be likely to be duplicated in 2022. Something has to give to re-sign the many overpaid talents we now have in house. I'm expecting this season to be a major challenge to come even close to last year's production. The defense will likely have to step up considerably, from the looks of things.

Wilson and Gallup will not equal Cooper in 2022, Gallup is mid season addition at best probably around Thanksgiving is more realistic.

Stash · Mar 1, 2022

jrumann59 said:
Wilson and Gallup will not equal Cooper in 2022, Gallup is mid season addition at best probably around Thanksgiving is more realistic.

And the team did great without Gallup last year. 7-1 great.

Adreme · Mar 1, 2022

Cooper won’t get a 3rd on the trade market on his own. Why would the Ravens throw in an all pro corner to go with? Do they just like to overpay?

MyFairLady · Mar 1, 2022

Cooper on a contract at 20 million in base salary has negative value. Peter has one year left with 10 million in base salary. He actually still has some value. And we get a third round pick? I would make this trade all day every day. Someone would need to explain to me why Baltimore would ever agree to this.

MyFairLady · Mar 1, 2022

Provided he is healthy 10 million dollars for an uber talented 29 DB on a one year deal non guaranteed deal auditioning for his last and final big pay day is like gold. I would love to have him join the squad.

gimmesix · Mar 1, 2022

fivetwos said:
Anyone who thinks we need a corner to the point where they write about it doesn't know this roster.

So, take it's legitimacy for what it is.

Personally I don't think Cooper is going to return more than a 3rd maximum, but we are gonna feel him not being here.

As I said in another thread......his worth is less than his value, if that makes any sense.

Yes, we need Cooper much more than we need a corner, especially right now. Gallup is an FA. Wilson is an FA. Turner's an FA. Fehoko is possibly being converted to TE. If we trade Cooper, what exactly is anyone's plan to replace him as a starting receiver?

Meanwhile, at corner, we have both starters from last year returning, along with our slot corner, our second-round corner who should challenge to start and our third-round corner. In fact, we also have our fourth-rounder from the previous year (who was on injured reserve last year) and our special-teams ace. That's seven corners. How many do fans think we need?

Aven8 · Mar 1, 2022

Cmac said:
Key word......"headache". He has been traded repeatedly for a reason.

He has but we was also All Pro just two years ago. He’s 29 so he could be off to another team in a couple of years. He had an ACL in PS so he would be good to go by this PS.

Cowpolk · Mar 1, 2022

gimmesix said:
Yes, we need Cooper much more than we need a corner, especially right now. Gallup is an FA. Wilson is an FA. Turner's an FA. Fehoko is possibly being converted to TE. If we trade Cooper, what exactly is anyone's plan to replace him as a starting receiver?

Meanwhile, at corner, we have both starters from last year returning, along with our slot corner, our second-round corner who should challenge to start and our third-round corner. In fact, we also have our fourth-rounder from the previous year (who was on injured reserve last year) and our special-teams ace. That's seven corners. How many do fans think we need?

14 is my guess

fivetwos · Mar 1, 2022

gimmesix said:
Yes, we need Cooper much more than we need a corner, especially right now. Gallup is an FA. Wilson is an FA. Turner's an FA. Fehoko is possibly being converted to TE. If we trade Cooper, what exactly is anyone's plan to replace him as a starting receiver?

Meanwhile, at corner, we have both starters from last year returning, along with our slot corner, our second-round corner who should challenge to start and our third-round corner. In fact, we also have our fourth-rounder from the previous year (who was on injured reserve last year) and our special-teams ace. That's seven corners. How many do fans think we need?

I think most understand that we are a worse team without Cooper, but I don't know that we have any real choice but to move on due to bad decisions of the past.

Bullflop · Mar 1, 2022

jrumann59 said:
Wilson and Gallup will not equal Cooper in 2022, Gallup is mid season addition at best probably around Thanksgiving is more realistic.

Hard to say how long it might be, although those close to the scene are saying he's coming along better than might be expected. I'm not totally in favor of Cooper being rejected any more than both Gallup and Wilson are, as a pair. Stephen is likely to do whatever he feels is best and that, in itself, tells me it might well be Cooper who is sent packing. I don't doubt that he's the most talented WR in house, who might also be the one SJ decides to reject.

If not, I'll accept it with hopes that others are destined to be those who are goners. If that means that one like Lawrence is chosen to depart, I'll take it as well as humanly possible. It'll surely be quite painful to lose someone that we hate to lose. I'm not so sure that both Gallup and Wilson can't make up for the loss of Cooper but then, someone's gotta give way to others -- it's just a matter of who it happens to be. Let's consider that Malik Turner might also be included as one who contributes in 2022. If it's Gallup and Wilson who leave, so be it. There's no guarantee for whatever occurs to be successful.

gimmesix · Mar 1, 2022

fivetwos said:
I think most understand that we are a worse team without Cooper, but I don't know that we have any real choice but to move on due to bad decisions of the past.

I think that we do. Restructures can get the job done, but the question for Dallas is whether it is worth restructuring to keep him and others or to let them go and try to retool. The problem with this ownership is that we know it won't retool the way we need it to retool. If we cut or trade Cooper, we'll try to replace him on the cheap or through the draft, causing us to not only lessen the talent we have at receiver but also not be able to devote resources to positions already in need.

With Cooper, we could easily move $10 million of his base salary into the next two seasons (it all guarantees March 20 anyway) with a restructure. That would lower his cap hit for this year to $12 million, but cutting him next year would then only come at a cap savings of $8 million instead of the $16 million we'd save this year.

That's the direction I'd lean unless we choose to sign both Gallup and Cedrick Wilson instead with part of that $16 million we'd save this year. I don't think Gallup is as good as a healthy Cooper, but we rarely get to see a healthy Cooper. If we sign both Gallup and Wilson and also get something in a trade for Cooper, then I'd consider that to be a fairly successful move. But the key is that we have to re-sign Gallup and Wilson IMO. I don't want to see us getting rid of Cooper, letting both Gallup and Wilson walk and ending up with some $1 million cast-off as our second receiver.

Cowboysheelsreds053 · Mar 1, 2022

Risen Star said:
I'm for trading any player for a cornerback.

It's our eternal biggest need.

what about LB or DT?

NorthTexan95 · Mar 1, 2022

We don't need another corner. Take a better pick or another player instead.

fivetwos · Mar 1, 2022

gimmesix said:
I think that we do. Restructures can get the job done, but the question for Dallas is whether it is worth restructuring to keep him and others or to let them go and try to retool. The problem with this ownership is that we know it won't retool the way we need it to retool. If we cut or trade Cooper, we'll try to replace him on the cheap or through the draft, causing us to not only lessen the talent we have at receiver but also not be able to devote resources to positions already in need.

With Cooper, we could easily move $10 million of his base salary into the next two seasons (it all guarantees March 20 anyway) with a restructure. That would lower his cap hit for this year to $12 million, but cutting him next year would then only come at a cap savings of $8 million instead of the $16 million we'd save this year.

That's the direction I'd lean unless we choose to sign both Gallup and Cedrick Wilson instead with part of that $16 million we'd save this year. I don't think Gallup is as good as a healthy Cooper, but we rarely get to see a healthy Cooper. If we sign both Gallup and Wilson and also get something in a trade for Cooper, then I'd consider that to be a fairly successful move. But the key is that we have to re-sign Gallup and Wilson IMO. I don't want to see us getting rid of Cooper, letting both Gallup and Wilson walk and ending up with some $1 million cast-off as our second receiver.

Yep I don't disagree here.

I was not a fan of signing him when his rookie deal expired.....I wanted more of a two TE base and get back to featuring the run game and playing keepaway, the 2016 model. That's a different tale.

However I'll 100% acknowledge that we are going to feel his absence when gone.

Something like a 3rd round pick sounds nice, but let's say it's a Nashon Wright type of impact in 2022.

Even if it's a 2nd, a Kelvin Joseph type of impact in 2022.

We are gonna full well know Amari Cooper is gone, but again.....this is the fallout of overpaying for guys that we are "lucky to have."

Yeah, real lucky lol.

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