Why are we not all in right now?

Typhus · Mar 15, 2022

fivetwos said:
Does Jerry actually think he will be able to convince the world that he was the guy who put it all together as he pushes his 90s?

You've got a 40m QB with three years left. He is overpaid because they are supposedly so hard to come by.

Ok, but since you have that player, isn't this the time to make a push to get better?

We saw what the Rams just did, and I'm not advocating for that.....but Tampa and Green Bay are also going for it now, and how exactly are we to compete with that when we are worried about not having too much dead money down the road?

At some point you have to try to take your shot....and they CAN do it, and do it now....but they seem to choose not to.

Are we content to lose to whoever is going all in at the time as long as we can still do that when it's someone else??

I really don't understand, and also can't see how Jerry thinks he is getting "that Super Bowl" if they don't take some risks.

The kid seems to be beyond conservative, and it's proven to do nothing except maybe get you into the playoffs.

They can't build on success at all......every winning season is followed by a disaster.

I know the kid has a lot of say these days, but I'm surprised Jerry doesn't have more of a desire to take the next step and try to build on last year.

Bravo and Kudos fivetwos,, thats what 90 percent of this board believes as well I believe so great post.
Cant win anything if your not going all in these days, so if Jerry thinks it best just to remain competitive, than we are all doomed as fans.
Just staying competitive eventually leads to not even being competitive even in your own division.
If you dont believe in Dak than you should have never signed him, but you did Jerry so endorse your trust and throw your chips on the table.
Agree whole heartedly that we go all in now, are we just restructuring contracts and making hard cuts just to make the cap feel good, or we going to kick that can really hard and at least make an effort while "your" stars are aligned Jerry?

Bobhaze · Mar 15, 2022

Typhus said:
Bravo and Kudos fivetwos,, thats what 90 percent of this board believes as well I believe so great post.
Cant win anything if your not going all in these days, so if Jerry thinks it best just to remain competitive, than we are all doomed as fans.
Just staying competitive eventually leads to not even being competitive even in your own division.
If you dont believe in Dak than you should have never signed him, but you did Jerry so endorse your trust and throw your chips on the table.
Agree whole heartedly that we go all in now, are we just restructuring contracts and making hard cuts just to make the cap feel good, or we going to kick that can really hard and at least make an effort while "your" stars are aligned Jerry?

I think the Jones boys are often behind the times. They say they are all in every year but they handle their roster like they must be more “cap friendly” than “cap aggressive”.

Here are the key questions- if you’re paying your QB top market value to lead your team, why wouldn’t you be aggressive to build around that guy? On the other hand- If your QB is just a “placeholder” for you why did you sign him to such a big deal? These guys don’t act like they know what they want to do other than collect a bunch of players they can market to sell tickets and interest.

That kind of thinking doesn’t win playoff games.

Typhus · Mar 15, 2022

Bobhaze said:
I think the Jones boys are often behind the times. They say they are all in every year but they handle their roster like they must be more “cap friendly” than “cap aggressive”.

Here are the key questions- if you’re paying your QB top market value to lead your team, why wouldn’t you be aggressive to build around that guy? On the other hand- If your QB is just a “placeholder” for you why did you sign him to such a big deal? These guys don’t act like they know what they want to do other than collect a bunch of players they can market to sell tickets and interest.

That kind of thinking doesn’t win playoff games.

That kind of thinking is why you see dogs chasing their own tails.

Bobhaze · Mar 15, 2022

DandyDon52 said:
The rams didnt build their team in one season, they have been adding pieces for awhile now.
They mad a bold qb move, dumped their high pick rb.
Dallas would have stuck with goff for many more years, and extended the rb lol

And let’s give the rams GM Les Snead some credit for doing what the Jones boys cannot do. He crafted rosters for two different teams in 4 years to go to 2 SBs, winning one.

Think of Snead’s work:

He hires Sean McVey, the youngest HC in the league at that time.
He fashioned a roster that made it to the SB with Jared Goff as QB.
He saw the Todd Gurley contract he made as a huge mistake- then admitted it, cut him and ate a huge part of that contract in dead money. (Better to admit a mistake than pretend it’s not like the Jones boys do)
He got aggressive to acquire Matt Stafford through a trade and draft picks.
Acquired several other veteran FAs and cast offs like Von Miller and OBJ to boost the team at mid season. (OBJ greatly helped this team when they lost Robert Woods in October)

This can’t happen in Dallas because Jerry thinks he doesn’t make mistakes. And thinks he’s a GM. He’s a salesman.

75boyz · Mar 15, 2022

Typhus said:
Bravo and Kudos fivetwos,, thats what 90 percent of this board believes as well I believe so great post.
Cant win anything if your not going all in these days, so if Jerry thinks it best just to remain competitive, than we are all doomed as fans.
Just staying competitive eventually leads to not even being competitive even in your own division.
If you dont believe in Dak than you should have never signed him, but you did Jerry so endorse your trust and throw your chips on the table.
Agree whole heartedly that we go all in now, are we just restructuring contracts and making hard cuts just to make the cap feel good, or we going to kick that can really hard and at least make an effort while "your" stars are aligned Jerry?

Great response and post.

DandyDon52 · Mar 15, 2022

Bobhaze said:
And let’s give the rams GM Les Snead some credit for doing what the Jones boys cannot do. He crafted rosters for two different teams in 4 years to go to 2 SBs, winning one.

Think of Snead’s work:

He hires Sean McVey, the youngest HC in the league at that time.

He fashioned a roster that made it to the SB with Jared Goff as QB.

He saw the Todd Gurley contract he made as a huge mistake- then admitted it, cut him and ate a huge part of that contract in dead money. (Better to admit a mistake than pretend it’s not like the Jones boys do)

He got aggressive to acquire Matt Stafford through a trade and draft picks.

Acquired several other veteran FAs and cast offs like Von Miller and OBJ to boost the team at mid season. (OBJ greatly helped this team when they lost Robert Woods in October)

This can’t happen in Dallas because Jerry thinks he doesn’t make mistakes. And thinks he’s a GM. He’s a salesman.

good post bob, your right about jerry , a salesman not a gm!
He kept elliot and overpaid him lol.
Refuses to dumb dak and get another qb.
Wont add guys like von or beckham especially during season. and your right those 2 helped rams in the last part of season and in playoffs, and SB.

Those are things you need to do, and jones boys refuse to do them.
And if mcvay were here he would be restricted to game mgmt just like mike and JG. He might call plays though, but it would not be the same guy as he is with rams.

KJJ · Mar 15, 2022

It’s almost like some on this board don’t even follow the team. The Cowboys were too cap strapped to go all in. They’re losing good players and having to bargain hunt.

scottsp · Mar 15, 2022

This all-in nonsense — all fan/public-facing drivel. But as it it pertains to actual team building, it’s pretty obvious after all these years, right? Four words:

They don’t know how.

Bobhaze · Mar 15, 2022

KJJ said:
It’s almost like some on this board don’t even follow the team. The Cowboys were too cap strapped to go all in. They’re losing good players and having to bargain hunt.

Help me remember- when was the last season the front office managed the cap so well we had room to maneuver?

Captain43Crash · Mar 15, 2022

charron said:
Honestly sometimes they do a good job in the off-season especially the draft but you have to do more. Things happen during the season and you have got to fix issues mid season to seriously make a run. They rarely do those mid season trades. I think the last one was for amari but that wasn't to turn a good team into a great team. Rams didn't make it happen by standing pat, Robert was out so they got obj, got von Miller, talked weddle into un retiring. We wasted a 12 win season

Every playoff team wasted their season. Green Bay and San Francisco wasted their seasons too!
We are all in this year. We need to build the best defense we can and be smart about it. Rebuild the O line, and brain wash Dak that he is a Bus Driver, who needs to run to keep drives alive.

KJJ · Mar 16, 2022

Bobhaze said:
Help me remember- when was the last season the front office managed the cap so well we had room to maneuver?

They had enough room to overpay Brandon Carr with a 50+ million dollar FA contract years ago. The problem the Cowboys faced heading into this offseason was having a number of players with huge contracts. Signing Dak to his big deal created even more cap issues. We’re having a move on from players like Cooper. The Cowboys have really never been into overpaying other teams free agents. They try to sign their own and look for mid and low tier free agents.

Bobhaze · Mar 16, 2022

KJJ said:
They had enough room to overpay Brandon Carr with a 50+ million dollar FA contract years ago. The problem the Cowboys faced heading into this offseason was having a number of players with huge contracts. Signing Dak to his big deal created even more cap issues. We’re having a move on from players like Cooper. The Cowboys have really never been into overpaying other teams free agents. They try to sign their own and look for mid and low tier free agents.

The question was, when was the last time they managed the cap well? Not when did they last spend lots of money. There’s a big difference.

KJJ · Mar 16, 2022

Bobhaze said:
The question was, when was the last time they managed the cap well? Not when did they last spend lots of money. There’s a big difference.

If you listen to Jerry and Stephen they’re managing it just fine. Most fans judge how they’re managing the cap by who they sign in free agency. Unless you’re working on the cap with Stephen no one knows for sure how they’re managing it. We do know they find ways of maneuvering to get under the cap.

Bobhaze · Mar 16, 2022

KJJ said:
If you listen to Jerry and Stephen they’re managing it just fine. Most fans judge how they’re managing the cap by who they sign in free agency. Unless you’re working on the cap with Stephen no one knows for sure how they’re managing it. We do know they find ways of maneuvering to get under the cap.

If you judge a front office by playoff wins, I think we know very clearly how they’re managing it. Not very well at all.

KJJ · Mar 16, 2022

Bobhaze said:
If you judge a front office by playoff wins, I think we know very how they’re managing it. Not very well at all.

The cap has nothing to do with their lack of success in the playoffs. They had one of the most talented rosters in the league this past season. They’ve had some very talented rosters over the years that didn’t have playoff success. It’s the head coaches Jerry has hired that’s been a bigger problem than the players he’s signed.

PAPPYDOG · Mar 16, 2022

erod said:
They paid an average QB like he's Tom Brady.

And privately, they know that was a mistake. Dak isn't capable of bigtime playoff football.

They need to start over and rebuild, but that doesn't sell jerseys or tickets.

Yep, the facade continues and there are plenty of Cowboy Homers to buy into it year in year out.
Good for Jerry as the homers keep him rolling in cash and feeding his ego.
Superbowl baby with an inept QB ........the Cowboy way!!!! :muttley:

P.S.Wait till Dak faces a real defense this coming season and you will be faced with the reality of this most crippled offense (without Cooper) once again!

nobody · Mar 16, 2022

Captain43Crash said:
We are!!

Give it time. We just lost Gregory in a surprise betrayal by Gregory.

We are increasing CAP room for a reason.

This surprised you? It didn't surprise me. Weed is legal there. It's not here.

Ranched · Mar 16, 2022

ChronicCowboy said:
You answered your own question. LA, Green Bay and Tampa are all in right now and we don’t stand a chance against any of those teams.

Probably best to try to time our championship window in line with those teams starting to rebuild.

Respectively disagree. Zuerlein missed THREE 3 pointers against Tampa last season when we lost by 3. Brady got lucky. (Zuerlein literally cost Dallas 3 games)

This team is as good as any IF coached probably. Especially Moore & his hideous play calling at times. Quarterback draw with seconds left instead of having Dak toss it.

LA has a phenomenal coaching staff. That's what wins championships!

fivetwos · Mar 16, 2022

bb721 said:
pushs his 90’s? Jerry is 79

Well yes, but if it doesn't happen soon with this group, it's going to get to where it's another 5-8 years quickly. This ought to represent his best shot, no?

fivetwos · Mar 16, 2022

conner01 said:
What is all in?
Let’s see the plan
Who would you have kept and who would you sign with numbers
A plan is just statements, it’s actual players and numbers

Simply, I mean things like adding Miller and Wagner.

We are going to have a dead money problem anyway down the road, so why not try to get over the hump NOW while you think you have your QB in place?

That would tend to make sense given Jerry's age.

But they seem intent on creating dead money only to the point of maintaining status quo.

Why are we not all in right now?

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