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If I could change the landscape of the NFL as far as contracts go then this would be my dream NFL. The salary cap and FA as we know it would change. This is just a rough idea so I know there's flaws in it but try reading it to get the general idea.
-every draft pick would be immediately under contract. 1st round is a 6 year deal, 2nd round 5 year deal and 3-7 rounds and UFA are on a 4 year deal.
- every player makes a minimum wage. So all players make the same amount. Once a player has played a certain %of snaps then he goes to the next tier.
-the next tier is starters and contributors have a system of metrics, numbers, stats, etc that would determine their value and they would be paid accordingly.
-every season the NFL would release a salary cap number for each position. So the best QB in this system would make 50 million, the 2nd QB would make 48 million and on down the line depending on your end of the season grade.
-injured players who contributed but had season ending injuries, ala Michael Gallup, would be paid on a projection of their metrics.
- when a contract is up the team can decide to keep or release the player. So kind of like when an expansion draft comes. Every team would be able to designate half of their FAs as keepers and the other half exposed.

So in my dream system teams would be rewarded for drafting well. So in my system for this year we entered FA with 12 or so FAs. We then could say we are keeping 6 and exposing 6 for other teams. That would mean Jayron, Gregory, Anger, etc would be retained and if they ball out next year then they'll be well paid. If Gregory gets high all the time and sucks then he won't get paid. In my system the players would be more motivated to play harder since it directly correlates with their paychecks.

Also in my system if you have someone like Dak Prescott who explodes his rookie year, then his rookie year he makes 35 or so million. He doesn't have to risk his body hoping he doesn't get injured before he gets paid. Also in my system if Zeke is the 31st best RB in the league then we don't have to pay him 18 million.

I'm just brainstorming on a way to reward teams for drafting well and then reward players for playing well and giving them some form of guaranteed money in case of injury on a rookie contract. Also I feel this would help motivate players to play hard and stay out of trouble.

Also i know that most people would like this, especially agents, and there's some kinks that would have to be worked out but that would be my wish for the NFL. The NFL was funner back in the 70s and 80s before FA hit. Teams that drafted well usually lasted. IMO I wish we could get back to a system like that but also a system were the players can make serious bank if they play well.
 

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If I could change one thing about the NFL it would be this...... do away with the 'market value' by position and institute a 'pay for performance' scale. Let's say a a defensive lineman could earn a million for getting 10 sacks, or a receiver earning cash for every reception or TD. Name one player who wouldn't bust their butt each and every game if they knew their performance each week would lead to huge incentives being added onto a base minimum salary. How about massive bonuses for playoff wins, championship game or super bowl appearances?

I know this would never happen, but it would instantly put an end to this nonsense about players no longer trying after getting a big pay day.
 

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I can only imagine the drama that would come about with a pay-for performance model, since a player's performance is often very much dependent on the performance of others.

A top receiver playing with a bum QB.
A top DE lining up with a bunch of stiffs.

Not sure how you would measure performance in situations like those.

I'd ditch the cap entirely and just let teams and players negotiate. The cap has never been about parity anyways.
 

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I made a post like this awhile ago. I'm tired of seeing every season another player has set the market. Cap each position off at an affordable number so all teams can shop
 

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If I could change one thing about the NFL it would be this...... do away with the 'market value' by position and institute a 'pay for performance' scale. Let's say a a defensive lineman could earn a million for getting 10 sacks, or a receiver earning cash for every reception or TD. Name one player who wouldn't bust their butt each and every game if they knew their performance each week would lead to huge incentives being added onto a base minimum salary. How about massive bonuses for playoff wins, championship game or super bowl appearances?

I know this would never happen, but it would instantly put an end to this nonsense about players no longer trying after getting a big pay day.

And watch players develop a "me first" attitude so they can get paid which is also what fans whine about. Sorry y'all. Players deserve their share of the pot. This isn't the good ol' days when owners kept the lion's share of money while players risked their health for peanuts and kept fans comfortable that "dumb athletes" didn't out-earn them by the gazillions. Time to evolve and nurse that ego elsewhere.
 

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If I could change the landscape of the NFL as far as contracts go then this would be my dream NFL. The salary cap and FA as we know it would change. This is just a rough idea so I know there's flaws in it but try reading it to get the general idea.
-every draft pick would be immediately under contract. 1st round is a 6 year deal, 2nd round 5 year deal and 3-7 rounds and UFA are on a 4 year deal.
- every player makes a minimum wage. So all players make the same amount. Once a player has played a certain %of snaps then he goes to the next tier.
-the next tier is starters and contributors have a system of metrics, numbers, stats, etc that would determine their value and they would be paid accordingly.
-every season the NFL would release a salary cap number for each position. So the best QB in this system would make 50 million, the 2nd QB would make 48 million and on down the line depending on your end of the season grade.
-injured players who contributed but had season ending injuries, ala Michael Gallup, would be paid on a projection of their metrics.
- when a contract is up the team can decide to keep or release the player. So kind of like when an expansion draft comes. Every team would be able to designate half of their FAs as keepers and the other half exposed.

So in my dream system teams would be rewarded for drafting well. So in my system for this year we entered FA with 12 or so FAs. We then could say we are keeping 6 and exposing 6 for other teams. That would mean Jayron, Gregory, Anger, etc would be retained and if they ball out next year then they'll be well paid. If Gregory gets high all the time and sucks then he won't get paid. In my system the players would be more motivated to play harder since it directly correlates with their paychecks.

Also in my system if you have someone like Dak Prescott who explodes his rookie year, then his rookie year he makes 35 or so million. He doesn't have to risk his body hoping he doesn't get injured before he gets paid. Also in my system if Zeke is the 31st best RB in the league then we don't have to pay him 18 million.

I'm just brainstorming on a way to reward teams for drafting well and then reward players for playing well and giving them some form of guaranteed money in case of injury on a rookie contract. Also I feel this would help motivate players to play hard and stay out of trouble.

Also i know that most people would like this, especially agents, and there's some kinks that would have to be worked out but that would be my wish for the NFL. The NFL was funner back in the 70s and 80s before FA hit. Teams that drafted well usually lasted. IMO I wish we could get back to a system like that but also a system were the players can make serious bank if they play well.
No players union would sign off on this. Too restrictive. 6 years is too long in an NFL career to be stuck with a team. If I were the players and they offered that, I would require that the owners guarantee the first six years no matter what. What happens if someone gets hurt? Do they get their whole amount even though they didn't hit performance metrics? What if the QB is terrible on your team and the DE on your team is really the star? You would be forced to pay the QB more. If I play great my FA year, I won't be allowed to get more money for another team, then just stink so you get exposure and teams will take a chance on you. What if you have a pass first team, your RB may wind up being 29th but really have talent to be top 15. What if the QB is terrible and the WR doesn't hit the metrics needed to get his money? Do you get paid at your job based on production? I'm not talking bonus but variable salary. Does your salary go up or down based on the boss' metrics for you?
 

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How about capping owners revenue?

Funny how no one wants to talk about that. Its always ways to squeeze the players because they make too much and dont deserve it.

The player needs to sacrifice for the team...but the team is allowed to cut you or trade you how ever they like. Its about winning for the team...its about money for the players. You would feel a lot better if you embraced this concept.
 

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How about capping owners revenue?

Funny how no one wants to talk about that. Its always ways to squeeze the players because they make too much and dont deserve it.

The player needs to sacrifice for the team...but the team is allowed to cut you or trade you how ever they like. Its about winning for the team...its about money for the players. You would feel a lot better if you embraced this concept.
How would that work? If the revenue was higher than the cap, would you just distribute it among the other teams like socialism or would the players get a check for the overage. Isn't the revenue capped? They get 51% and the players get 49% which is reflected in the cap? That's base revenue. If some owners are better at marketing, they will make more because not all of that goes into the revenue number. Reward good players with pay and good owners with revenue
 

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I made a post like this awhile ago. I'm tired of seeing every season another player has set the market. Cap each position off at an affordable number so all teams can shop

that blame, my friend, goes to the owners. It takes just one idiot owner to set the market and the worst part is that even if that decision is wrong, the market still stays set at that price…..that doesn’t happen in real business life.
 

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And watch players develop a "me first" attitude so they can get paid which is also what fans whine about. Sorry y'all. Players deserve their share of the pot. This isn't the good ol' days when owners kept the lion's share of money while players risked their health for peanuts and kept fans comfortable that "dumb athletes" didn't out-earn them by the gazillions. Time to evolve and nurse that ego elsewhere.

okay, but it still doesn’t change the fact that most of them are dumb athletes that received free college tuition and took away a spot at a university that should have been given to a real student seeking a degree.

fools and their money are soon parted anyway but that’s not my concern…..it’s just that some of them are so damn lazy and feel no obligation to perform for their employers. This is the modern day “professional athlete”

nursed ego not withstanding
 

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If I could change the landscape of the NFL as far as contracts go then this would be my dream NFL. The salary cap and FA as we know it would change. This is just a rough idea so I know there's flaws in it but try reading it to get the general idea.
-every draft pick would be immediately under contract. 1st round is a 6 year deal, 2nd round 5 year deal and 3-7 rounds and UFA are on a 4 year deal.
- every player makes a minimum wage. So all players make the same amount. Once a player has played a certain %of snaps then he goes to the next tier.
-the next tier is starters and contributors have a system of metrics, numbers, stats, etc that would determine their value and they would be paid accordingly.
-every season the NFL would release a salary cap number for each position. So the best QB in this system would make 50 million, the 2nd QB would make 48 million and on down the line depending on your end of the season grade.
-injured players who contributed but had season ending injuries, ala Michael Gallup, would be paid on a projection of their metrics.
- when a contract is up the team can decide to keep or release the player. So kind of like when an expansion draft comes. Every team would be able to designate half of their FAs as keepers and the other half exposed.

So in my dream system teams would be rewarded for drafting well. So in my system for this year we entered FA with 12 or so FAs. We then could say we are keeping 6 and exposing 6 for other teams. That would mean Jayron, Gregory, Anger, etc would be retained and if they ball out next year then they'll be well paid. If Gregory gets high all the time and sucks then he won't get paid. In my system the players would be more motivated to play harder since it directly correlates with their paychecks.

Also in my system if you have someone like Dak Prescott who explodes his rookie year, then his rookie year he makes 35 or so million. He doesn't have to risk his body hoping he doesn't get injured before he gets paid. Also in my system if Zeke is the 31st best RB in the league then we don't have to pay him 18 million.

I'm just brainstorming on a way to reward teams for drafting well and then reward players for playing well and giving them some form of guaranteed money in case of injury on a rookie contract. Also I feel this would help motivate players to play hard and stay out of trouble.

Also i know that most people would like this, especially agents, and there's some kinks that would have to be worked out but that would be my wish for the NFL. The NFL was funner back in the 70s and 80s before FA hit. Teams that drafted well usually lasted. IMO I wish we could get back to a system like that but also a system were the players can make serious bank if they play well.
sorry, on the surface this may sound reasonable...but its not.

first, I am sure in the last CBA they discussed longer term contracts for rookies so they have them for longer, cheaper, but they settled on 5-4 numbers. not much of a difference. but they also agreed there will be a rookie salary cap.

and you can't have a 1st rounder make same as a 7th rounder. should Micah parsons who had huge impact and was clearly best defender on the team make same as some guy from 7th round who was on the bench and never active on game day....makes zero sense.

and how would you rank best QB? take a poll? based on QBR? or QB Rating? how do you determine that? its going to be an argument that never ends. what about DTs? 3-4 vs. 4-3. how about safties and CBs and LBs. what about a DT whose job is to occupy OL mena nd allow a LB to make tackles, vs. one who job is to rush the passer...performance criteria is subjective to the player position, role on the team and the system they play in. not only that, my performance also depends on my teammates. if they suck, my pay day is impacted. who wants that!?

and you can't force players to stay, that's what the CBA did to allow player movement. tha't how it was before the salary cap era. they were kind of forced to stay with their teams and the team had all the leverage.


the salary cap already takes care of most of what you said. manage your salary cap, and teams all have the same salary cap and same 53 players under contract. . you mix and match based on player demands and you fit them under your cap and build a team.

this system you described clearly favors the owners and not the players. owners take no risk and players carry all the risk. nobody would agree to it, if I was a player, I would never agree to this in the CBA. what NFL has done is have no guranteed contracts, although now they are leaning more into gauranteed dollars, which is increasing the risk to owners. what they may need to do is limit the amount of gaurantees in a contract based on total contract value. they did this with signing bonuses where you can't pay out over a certain percentage in bonus, done to allow more cash strapped teams to compete with teams who have money.

I don't find a lot of wrong with current system. few tweaks and its good. smart teams. smart managers. smart owners build winners. Jerry and Stephen suck.
 
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okay, but it still doesn’t change the fact that most of them are dumb athletes that received free college tuition and took away a spot at a university that should have been given to a real student seeking a degree.

fools and their money are soon parted anyway but that’s not my concern…..it’s just that some of them are so damn lazy and feel no obligation to perform for their employers. This is the modern day “professional athlete”

nursed ego not withstanding

You sound reasonable.
 

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If I could change one thing about the NFL it would be this...... do away with the 'market value' by position and institute a 'pay for performance' scale. Let's say a a defensive lineman could earn a million for getting 10 sacks, or a receiver earning cash for every reception or TD. Name one player who wouldn't bust their butt each and every game if they knew their performance each week would lead to huge incentives being added onto a base minimum salary. How about massive bonuses for playoff wins, championship game or super bowl appearances?

I know this would never happen, but it would instantly put an end to this nonsense about players no longer trying after getting a big pay day.
what is market value? its what I am willing to pay out. and pay for performance is really hard, specially if you can control my performance and not pay out. i.e. if for example a player has a clause that if he catches 75 passes he gets a bonus, come to the last game and he has 70 catches and does he sit? does he get targetted? etc.....its opening a can of worms.

and there already is performance clauses in many contracts.....so it already exists.
 

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The best format they could use is to give a discount to signing players you drafted. For example, give Diggs an extension, only 50% of that counts against the cap. This would put more stress on the draft. It would also allow for teams to build great teams without any disadvantage to poorer teams.
 

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How about capping owners revenue?

Funny how no one wants to talk about that. Its always ways to squeeze the players because they make too much and dont deserve it.

The player needs to sacrifice for the team...but the team is allowed to cut you or trade you how ever they like. Its about winning for the team...its about money for the players. You would feel a lot better if you embraced this concept.
it is already capped and tied to the players. based on CBA, the cap is based on certain percentage of league revenue (agreed upon revenue parameters). Players get 48% of revenue....that's what they agreed to. we can argue its not enough for the players, etc....something for them to discuss in next CBA.

so as the revenue goes up, so does everybody's income.
 

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okay, but it still doesn’t change the fact that most of them are dumb athletes that received free college tuition and took away a spot at a university that should have been given to a real student seeking a degree.

fools and their money are soon parted anyway but that’s not my concern…..it’s just that some of them are so damn lazy and feel no obligation to perform for their employers. This is the modern day “professional athlete”

nursed ego not withstanding
far from the truth. the concept of dumb athlete is something fans created. are there dumb ones? yes, but there are dumb people every where. they have a skill, craft they work at. I played college (not football). I had to put over 20 hours a week on the sport, plus travel, etc.....yes, I didn't have to pay tuition, but college didn't have to pay me...my butt in class didn't require bigger class rooms, more chairs, or additional professors. they just didn't get a revenue and had somebody do work as an athlete to represent the school. now, I went to a small college, the sport program was not money making. but that's besides the point. I earned my degree. I played semi-professonal after college for a couple of years. and I had a job.

so you can't take a few examples and make a generalization. its like say this guy is dumb, therefore all men are dumb. or this woman acted like a slut, therefore all women are sluts.
 
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