The Paper Roster vs Performance Roster

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Advance apologies for my repeating this stat in yet another thread but it is just too appropriate not to.

The Average Cowboys are the NFL model for parity.

224 wins and 206 losses in their last 430 games and since their last trophy 26 years ago.

The Cowboys ARE parity.

Period.

At a 52% winning clip, they are just good enough to keep ya interested but NEVER a TRUE contender.
Thank you for that. Actually our previous coach was the very definition of average. I guess my point in the reply to Purple Haze...aka Bob...was that our F.O. knows the game better than anyone in that they keep us on the edge of our seat every year wanting more.
 

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Thank you for that. Actually our previous coach was the very definition of average. I guess my point in the reply to Purple Haze...aka Bob...was that our F.O. knows the game better than anyone in that they keep us on the edge of our seat every year wanting more.

No worries bro.
Yup.
Jerry calls it "relevant".

Not a bottom dweller but definitely not a serious threat for a real title run.

Cowboys define parity. It truly is who they are as the numbers support.

jmo
 

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I never understood why the NFL needs parity. The NFL is a machine whether your team wins or loses. Contracts get bigger, ticket prices get more expensive and the show goes on. I firmly believe this parity crap to be a mistake. Having power houses like Pittsburgh was like we were made other teams try harder, draft better etc.. Now, you don't have to even have a winning record to get into the playoffs. You just need to be slightly better than average-most of the time. Yes. NE was and is the exception. Parity has gotten everyone a participation trophy.
Parity brings in more money.
 

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This time of year, all NFL teams are putting together their “paper roster”; the roster for the coming season that exists only on paper and is months away from even putting on pads. The annual “paper championship” is awarded every off season by media folks trying to sell clicks or subscriptions. This is the time of year when the hype machine is on full blast. Both kinds. (“We’re going to be much better” or “This team sucks”)

What really matters is the performance roster. The final combination of players that show that they are collectively a team that can play well together and actually win games that matter. But we won’t really know if they are good until the live bullets start flying in September.

I guarantee you in mid July, Jerry will don his coaching gear and starting selling whatever collection of guys he has gathered and his chubby sidekick will giggle and throw in a “secret sauce” comment for good measure. After the last 26 years, the hype has never felt more hollow. Prove it. Don’t tell me- show me.

Until the paper roster becomes the performance roster, none of us really know if this team is better compared to the recent past or not. Hold off on buying this car until it has been driven.

Our problem is many times the paper roster looks much better than what the performance roster shows out.

This team is a place where it doesn't matter how much talent you acquire the culture and coaching undermine it.

Our paper roster at the end of the season looked as healthy and good as anyone's but the performance was undermined by a coaching staff that did not demand discipline and accountability.

Penalties committed by stupid undisciplined players not living up to their talent and draft status on paper left us one and done.

Many are gone now All we can hope is that we replace them with smarter more disciplined players of equal talent level to improve our performance
 

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Our problem is many times the paper roster looks much better than what the performance roster shows out.

This team is a place where it doesn't matter how much talent you acquire the culture and coaching undermine it.

Our paper roster at the end of the season looked as healthy and good as anyone's but the performance was undermined by a coaching staff that did not demand discipline and accountability.

Penalties committed by stupid undisciplined players not living up to their talent and draft status on paper left us one and done.

Many are gone now All we can hope is that we replace them with smarter more disciplined players of equal talent level to improve our performance
Look at how the Cowboys build their roster compared to the rams. The rams organization has a clear plan of what kind of team they want to be and build players around that plan.

The Cowboys on the other hand get players and then try to make a plan. It’s backwards. In fact our Cowboys are run more like a fraternity fantasy football league than a real NFL contender.

The rams are dependent on their strategic plan. The Cowboys are dependent on Lady Luck. That’s the difference between a strong NFL organization and one built around nepotism.
 

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Well said Rev. Instilling some in-game discipline would be one if the best ways to improve this team. It wasn’t just penalties- it was also the incredibly stupid penalties. Like lining up off sides, jumping the snap count; tackling an offensive lineman; etc, etc.

Good point. There's no team that never has any penalties. Your hand accidentally comes up and touches the opponent's facemask, you don't grab, but the ref thinks you do -- sometimes things like that happen. There were a few bogus penalties. However, most of the penalties against the Cowboys were legitimate, and many of them were just plain stupid, as you point out. There were so many false starts, I thought Phil Pozderac must be back. My school's football coach would simply make players run extra laps if they committed a stupid penalty. He didn't bring in refs to call them. He simply watched for them himself, as did the assistant coach. The Cowboys could afford to bring in some refs to call penalties in practice. Would something as simple as making players run laps for committing penalties work? I also wouldn't allow any bling on the practice field or the playing field. If some player buys an expensive diamond necklace, that's fine. It's his money. But that thing had better not show up on the field or he's putting it in his locker and is running laps. I would also punish players and coaches for being late to meetings. I'm not sure if money fines would work, given how much they make. So maybe pushups in front of the class, plus an apology for being late.

These are old school things I know from high school football, but you would think the psychology behind them would work in the pros. I know for a fact that Coach Landry was great at discipline. I know someone who worked for the team back then. He told me that Landry, while he didn't scream and yell, had a way of making a player feel two inches tall if he made a screw up, but then he could make him feel super appreciated if he corrected the mistake. I think all great coaches are good at discipline. Bud Grant of the Vikings was great at it. While he never won a Super Bowl, he fielded several great teams that came close. Chuck Noll of the Steelers was also great at it.

It had been my hope that McCarthy would instill great discipline. He's a Super-Bowl-winning coach, after all. But we haven't seen it yet.
 

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Good point. There's no team that never has any penalties. Your hand accidentally comes up and touches the opponent's facemask, you don't grab, but the ref thinks you do -- sometimes things like that happen. There were a few bogus penalties. However, most of the penalties against the Cowboys were legitimate, and many of them were just plain stupid, as you point out. There were so many false starts, I thought Phil Pozderac must be back. My school's football coach would simply make players run extra laps if they committed a stupid penalty. He didn't bring in refs to call them. He simply watched for them himself, as did the assistant coach. The Cowboys could afford to bring in some refs to call penalties in practice. Would something as simple as making players run laps for committing penalties work? I also wouldn't allow any bling on the practice field or the playing field. If some player buys an expensive diamond necklace, that's fine. It's his money. But that thing had better not show up on the field or he's putting it in his locker and is running laps. I would also punish players and coaches for being late to meetings. I'm not sure if money fines would work, given how much they make. So maybe pushups in front of the class, plus an apology for being late.

These are old school things I know from high school football, but you would think the psychology behind them would work in the pros. I know for a fact that Coach Landry was great at discipline. I know someone who worked for the team back then. He told me that Landry, while he didn't scream and yell, had a way of making a player feel two inches tall if he made a screw up, but then he could make him feel super appreciated if he corrected the mistake. I think all great coaches are good at discipline. Bud Grant of the Vikings was great at it. While he never won a Super Bowl, he fielded several great teams that came close. Chuck Noll of the Steelers was also great at it.

It had been my hope that McCarthy would instill great discipline. He's a Super-Bowl-winning coach, after all. But we haven't seen it yet.
Rev I don’t think Big Mac or Garrett or Cupcake Phillips before that has ever had the full authority to discipline players without approval from Jerry.

Remember the behind the scenes NFL show, “All or Nothing” which showed us behind the scenes in 2017? One episode showed Garrett and his coaches in a meeting after the terrible loss to the broncos that year. Zeke had openly loafed on an interception and the coaches wanted to discipline him. Jerry, who was in the freaking coaches meeting (which is bad to begin with) told those coaches he wouldn’t allow it because Zeke was “going through some tough times with the league”.

When your owner won’t allow the players to be disciplined you create a cancerous, non-accountable culture. It’s been killing our team for years and years.
 

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We have neither. Our paper roster is bad, our performance roster is bad.
 

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Look at how the Cowboys build their roster compared to the rams. The rams organization has a clear plan of what kind of team they want to be and build players around that plan.

The Cowboys on the other hand get players and then try to make a plan. It’s backwards. In fact our Cowboys are run more like a fraternity fantasy football league than a real NFL contender.

The rams are dependent on their strategic plan. The Cowboys are dependent on Lady Luck. That’s the difference between a strong NFL organization and one built around nepotism.

I hear you bullet ..and even if you aren't totally sure what type of team you want to be you can always go back to sound old school football team building that revolves around getting a franchise quarterback protecting him with an elite offensive line and then building a powerful defensive line that can stop the other team's running game and pressure their passer. Along with getting the absolute best coach and coaching staff on the planet because there is no cap on that.

We build teams around what Jerry's pet project happens to be at the time. Jerry's never happier than when he can pick somebody that nobody else in the league would use at the position be it player or coach and try and make them a star so he looks like a football guy.

It's totally crazy that a guy so incredibly good at making money can be so incredibly bad at building a football team
 

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Rev I don’t think Big Mac or Garrett or Cupcake Phillips before that has ever had the full authority to discipline players without approval from Jerry.

Remember the behind the scenes NFL show, “All or Nothing” which showed us behind the scenes in 2017? One episode showed Garrett and his coaches in a meeting after the terrible loss to the broncos that year. Zeke had openly loafed on an interception and the coaches wanted to discipline him. Jerry, who was in the freaking coaches meeting (which is bad to begin with) told those coaches he wouldn’t allow it because Zeke was “going through some tough times with the league”.

When your owner won’t allow the players to be disciplined you create a cancerous, non-accountable culture. It’s been killing our team for years and years.

Uhg. That's awful. We basically wasted a very talented roster last year with a lack of discipline. It makes me wonder why I even continue watching. This team's next championship won't be until Jerry is gone.
 

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Uhg. That's awful. We basically wasted a very talented roster last year with a lack of discipline. It makes me wonder why I even continue watching. This team's next championship won't be until Jerry is gone.
Yea, and that’s the only way to get Jethro’s attention.

They’re my locally broadcast game every week and I watch all of the NFL games on Sunday Ticket. Unfortunately I’m indirectly contributing with Equal TV Revenue.

But in my man cave I watch Cowboys on Free TV with rabbit ears so my viewership isn’t calculated by Nielsen.
 

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Rev I don’t think Big Mac or Garrett or Cupcake Phillips before that has ever had the full authority to discipline players without approval from Jerry.

Remember the behind the scenes NFL show, “All or Nothing” which showed us behind the scenes in 2017? One episode showed Garrett and his coaches in a meeting after the terrible loss to the broncos that year. Zeke had openly loafed on an interception and the coaches wanted to discipline him. Jerry, who was in the freaking coaches meeting (which is bad to begin with) told those coaches he wouldn’t allow it because Zeke was “going through some tough times with the league”.

When your owner won’t allow the players to be disciplined you create a cancerous, non-accountable culture. It’s been killing our team for years and years.
Phillips penalized a player, and Jerry removed the penalty. Can't remember who it was any more.
 

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