Dak vs Winston

Winston threw interceptions because he threw downfield instead of checkdown Charlie throwing to his running backs and tight ends.

BermyStar said:

With you on all points except the last one. That Bucs team that won the Superbowl featured more upgrades than just TB12.

That said, Dak vs Winston shouldn't be a thing. Dak may not be elite but he is a few tiers above Winston.

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They brought in Gronk and Antonio Brown who weren’t the players they were. Gronk came out of retirement. Everyone knows the change from Winston to Brady was the reason the Bucs won the Super Bowl.

KJJ said:

They brought in Gronk and Antonio Brown who weren’t the players they were. Gronk came out of retirement. Everyone knows the change from Winston to Brady was the reason the Bucs won the Super Bowl.

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I think he was the main reason, but Gronk and AB played very well regardless if they weren't at their precious levels. And don't forget playoff Lenny as well.

Verdict said:

I’m not anti Dak. I’ve actually been more supportive of him than many. So let’s get that out there first.

I’m not a Jameis Winston fan, but I see that he just signed for two years $28m. ($14 per year)

We are paying Dak roughly three times what Winston makes. If both were equally paid, I would choose Dak over Winston; however, it would not be surprised at all if Winston outperforms Dak over the next two years at about 1/3 of the cost.

You can’t win in this league without a franchise QB, and you would think that there are not many acceptable substitutes for Dak. But Matt Ryan was traded for a third round pick. Wentz is probably also in the “Dak ballpark”

Dak
Wentz
Ryan
Winston

All are “retreads” other than Dak. Would anyone be surprised if any of all of these guys outperformed Dak next year.

This is just food for thought on a rainy day in Oklahoma.

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I get it, are the Cowboys better off with Wentz, Ryan, or Winston? Dak is better than all 3 at this point, but when looking at the contracts of the other guys in the mid to high 20s in salary it's a fair debate. Is Dak 35%+ better and is the team better knowing you could acquire another impact player with the savings.

-Matt Ryan is a QB in the twilight of his career. Wouldn't expect that much trade value, but he can still throw the ball. I don't think I would trade Dak to have Matt Ryan. Possibility for more years of longevity.

-Carson Wentz, I think he's a very capable QB and statistically compares favorably. However, this guy has pissed off 2 franchises over a couple years, lacks accountability, and has a questionable attitude. Wouldn't want him in the locker room.

-Jamison Winston- For 14 million a year I would definitely give it the most thought. He escaped a high turnover rate last year, so maybe he's learning? All he had to do was throw it less vs prior years. That's what you normally try to do with backups though. I think Winston is a cream of the crop backup, but a bottom 25% starter. I think it would be difficult to win with him, but the savings and ability to invest in 2 additional better starters could keep you competitive.

BermyStar said:

I think he was the main reason, but Gronk and AB played very well regardless if they weren't at their precious levels. And don't forget playoff Lenny as well.

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Gronk and Antonio Brown combined for about 1200 yards and 11 TDs in 2020. Brown was having bigger seasons than that in Pittsburgh. That team would have gone nowhere with Jameis Winston.

Jake said:

Winston has all the talent to be a great QB. His problem is above the shoulders. You can't have a turnover machine making bad decisions.

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my memory is hazy from last year. he played pretty well before being injured yeah? (save the embarassment vs the panthers) and that was w/ out michael thomas. i think he can be a solid qb now that he's gotten lasik lol. but losing sean payton may negate all of that

BermyStar said:

With you on all points except the last one. That Bucs team that won the Superbowl featured more upgrades than just TB12.

That said, Dak vs Winston shouldn't be a thing. Dak may not be elite but he is a few tiers above Winston.

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CowboysFaninHouston said:

Winston is average at best. he was also 1st over all pick who as a QB was an embarassment to his team. also Winston was a turnover machine, which hurt his team more than his TDs thrown. that's why his old team let him go. his results weren't that good in Tampa despite everything. his last year he went 7-9. basically the same team that won the superbowl.

he amounted to nothing in NO and got an average contract as a result.

Dak got a contract that was too much, but he had better results on the field. perhaps he was a better game manager than Winston that may have fooled people. he was less mistake prone.

Wentz is very up and down. often injured. he makes some plays that are so dumb it makes you scratch your head....then he makes a good play. that's why he is on his third team and it won't be his last.

Ryan is good enough to win. needs a strong supporting cast, but can get the job done. I think he is a good match for the colts, with that running game, improved defense. except that he is now in AFC and AFC is stacked with KC, Bills, Chargers, NE, Denver, Ravens, Cinci and perhaps improving cleveland, NE and Raiders.....that conference is pretty scary. its a tough gauntlet to get out of once you can even make it to the playoffs.

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Of course the entire Bucs team contributed to that NFL Championship; but everyone of those 31 points pricinpally involved free agents added during the 2020 offseason.
Brady - 3 TD passes
Gronk- 2 TD catches
Antonio Brown - 1 TD reception
Fournette- TD run
Ryan Succup - 4 PATs, 1 FG

erod said:

Winston has terrific arm talent but is a weirdo.

Dak is a cool cat with limited arm talent.

Neither can read a defense to save his life.

Toss up.

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Agreed, they are both failing Defense 101.

But I will say Winston is the Anti-Dak in that when he's stumped, he just rifles that ball out there, whereas Dak cringes and goes for the safe play. One of those "be careful what you ask for" once fans see another INT happy Romo out there.

Don't know if he's the one to put the pressure behind Dak, but it's something.

Motorola said:

Of course the entire Bucs team contributed to that NFL Championship; but everyone of those 31 points pricinpally involved free agents added during the 2020 offseason.
Brady - 3 TD passes
Gronk- 2 TD catches
Antonio Brown - 1 TD reception
Fournette- TD run
Ryan Succup - 4 PATs, 1 FG

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Spot on brotha

Verdict said:

I’m not anti Dak. I’ve actually been more supportive of him than many. So let’s get that out there first.

I’m not a Jameis Winston fan, but I see that he just signed for two years $28m. ($14 per year)

We are paying Dak roughly three times what Winston makes. If both were equally paid, I would choose Dak over Winston; however, it would not be surprised at all if Winston outperforms Dak over the next two years at about 1/3 of the cost.

You can’t win in this league without a franchise QB, and you would think that there are not many acceptable substitutes for Dak. But Matt Ryan was traded for a third round pick. Wentz is probably also in the “Dak ballpark”

Dak
Wentz
Ryan
Winston

All are “retreads” other than Dak. Would anyone be surprised if any of all of these guys outperformed Dak next year.

This is just food for thought on a rainy day in Oklahoma.

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MichaelWinicki said:

No... none of them will put up better numbers than Prescott in 2022 – provided Prescott is not injured.

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Well (barring injury) - we will see Prescott this fall in games with two of them -
Home & away versus the Commanders, home game vs. Colts

Motorola said:

Of course the entire Bucs team contributed to that NFL Championship; but everyone of those 31 points pricinpally involved free agents added during the 2020 offseason.
Brady - 3 TD passes
Gronk- 2 TD catches
Antonio Brown - 1 TD reception
Fournette- TD run
Ryan Succup - 4 PATs, 1 FG

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and what about the regular season? and the playoffs?

Brady was key. the others were JAGs, including Gronk was a key piece, but not the main cog of their passing attack.

CowboysFaninHouston said:

and what about the regular season? and the playoffs?

Brady was key. the others were JAGs, including Gronk was a key piece, but not the main cog of their passing attack.

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Yet TB12 persuaded Arians & the FO to bring aboard (pun intended) Gronkoswki and A.B. (assume adding Fournette & Succop credit goes to Bucs FO).
I wasn't discounting any of the other Buccaneers team roster than made that championship run from the wildcard playoff spot to obtaining the Lombardi Trophy.
It's just a statistic from an NFL championship game that never happened before (and likely won't happen again).

Verdict said:

I’m not anti Dak. I’ve actually been more supportive of him than many. So let’s get that out there first.

I’m not a Jameis Winston fan, but I see that he just signed for two years $28m. ($14 per year)

We are paying Dak roughly three times what Winston makes. If both were equally paid, I would choose Dak over Winston; however, it would not be surprised at all if Winston outperforms Dak over the next two years at about 1/3 of the cost.

You can’t win in this league without a franchise QB, and you would think that there are not many acceptable substitutes for Dak. But Matt Ryan was traded for a third round pick. Wentz is probably also in the “Dak ballpark”

Dak
Wentz
Ryan
Winston

All are “retreads” other than Dak. Would anyone be surprised if any of all of these guys outperformed Dak next year.

This is just food for thought on a rainy day in Oklahoma.

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Wouldn’t be surprised at all, except for maybe Wentz.
Dak too conservative
Winston not conservative enough
Ryan old, but proven
Wentz is Wentz

Ok let’s not go overboard
Dak is not elite but he’s above average and better the other 3 you mentioned
Now I wouldn’t have paid him 42 million but that’s a story for another day

The difference between Dak and Winston is talent. Dak plays the Saints and puts up 9 or 10 points and struggles. Winston plays the Saints and puts up 24 and the Bucs lose anyways. Winston may make more mistakes but at least you're scoring points. The Cowboys would have probably beat the 49ers if they had Winston. Too many people when they look at DAk they look at all these points scored and touchdowns but that's coming against crappy teams if you look at him against the playoff teams he's terrible.

Motorola said:

Yet TB12 persuaded Arians & the FO to bring aboard (pun intended) Gronkoswki and A.B. (assume adding Fournette & Succop credit goes to Bucs FO).
I wasn't discounting any of the other Buccaneers team roster than made that championship run from the wildcard playoff spot to obtaining the Lombardi Trophy.
It's just a statistic from an NFL championship game that never happened before (and likely won't happen again).

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you posted the stats from superbowl, but what about the other games they played to get to the superbowl or their regular season performance.

and again, of those you listed none making me go oh WOW, what a difference maker.....

I don't think Winston with this same group makes it to superbowl and perhaps miss the playoffs again.

Hadenough said:

The difference between Dak and Winston is talent. Dak plays the Saints and puts up 9 or 10 points and struggles. Winston plays the Saints and puts up 24 and the Bucs lose anyways. Winston may make more mistakes but at least you're scoring points. The Cowboys would have probably beat the 49ers if they had Winston. Too many people when they look at DAk they look at all these points scored and touchdowns but that's coming against crappy teams if you look at him against the playoff teams he's terrible.

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In terms of value against the salary cap, teams would go with Winston over Prescott.

How long are we going to pretend this stuff is an illness?

The OP clearly was not saying Winston is better than Dak.
Maybe some here should re-read his post.

On a side note, to his credit, we did get a glimpse last year of Winston with fewer turnovers. The results were good before his injury.
15 TDs and 4 turnovers was a great start.
But it'd take at least a full season (and probably 2) of that for me to believe he's overcome his careless ways.

Hey Dak will have some awesome stats come 2022 . No playoff wins , no SB but great stats.