Amari Cooper trade vs Hill and Adams

Adreme · Mar 23, 2022

Proof said:
i didn’t ask you the difference, and i don’t agree with your thoughts

NFL GMs clearly did agree with me though and considering that to trade you need GMs willing to take on a salary this is a situation where you disagreeing is meaningless. 1 team was willing to take on his salary in the entire NFL so at that point you are lucky to get what you get if you are not willing to keep him, which they clearly were not.

9of11 · Mar 23, 2022

We got fleeced....plain and simple...

Motorola · Mar 23, 2022

Joe Realist said:
Wonder if Hill has some legal stuff coming

No.
Three and three-quarters years have passed since the league declined to suspend Tyreek HIll for personal conduct violations regarding DV allegations by his SO\fiance and child abuse she claimed against his son.
Since that ruling - July 19th, 2019 - nothing else has come up
Hill is in the clear.

dargonking999 · Mar 23, 2022

birdwells1 said:
I'll continue to dislike Stephen and Jerry because of 26 years of not making it to the NFCCG. After saying that why are you supporting them?

I never said I supported them. Just because I dislike a reason for hating them does not mean I support them.

I understand it's difficult in these times to understand concepts like this. But it is capable to disagree with a reason someone dislikes someone without actually liking the person.

Proof · Mar 23, 2022

Adreme said:
NFL GMs clearly did agree with me though and considering that to trade you need GMs willing to take on a salary this is a situation where you disagreeing is meaningless. 1 team was willing to take on his salary in the entire NFL so at that point you are lucky to get what you get if you are not willing to keep him, which they clearly were not.

bruh why do you keep addressing me? if they cut him you MAY have a point. they didn’t, they traded him so all we know is that at a minimum one team was interested. guys get traded for disproportionate (higher or lower ) value literally all the time. free agency is a fast moving window and there are a million variables feel how you feel, i disagree.

Adreme · Mar 23, 2022

Proof said:
bruh why do you keep addressing me? if they cut him you MAY have a point. they didn’t, they traded him so all we know is that at a minimum one team was interested. guys get traded for disproportionate (higher or lower ) value literally all the time. free agency is a fast moving window and there are a million variables feel how you feel, i disagree.

I mean the reports 1 team was willing to pay that price and only 1 team was willing to offer you anything so either you take what they offer, you cut him and got nothing, or you pay him and they were not willing to do that. Which aspect of that is false remembering that in theory you would want the contract resolved before free agency starts? There is literally nothing to disagree with and it is like you saying you disagree about what the capitol of Texas is.

Blast From The Past · Mar 23, 2022

Captain-Crash said:
he hurt daks feelings and it hurt old perv jerry. jerry didn't care if he got anything for him after he hurt his baby dak.

Just shipped him to Cleveland might as well be Siberia for all intents and purposes. Telegraphed he wasn't wanted here before trying to trade him. It's a wonder we got a loaf of bread for him. Dumbest GM ever!

DallasMike · Mar 23, 2022

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birdwells1 · Mar 23, 2022

jazzcat22 said:
I don’t see anyone doing cartwheels.
But it was still the right move.
Fans need to stop whining about everything. As well creating false narratives on every move just to feel they belong to the whine crowd.

Man after 26 years of not even playing in the NFCCG (cowboys, lions, commanders) cowboys fans can whine all we want. What is it going to take for all other fans to join in 50 years? I can see you complaining about Patriots fans whining but cowboys fans? Give me a break.

birdwells1 · Mar 23, 2022

Big_D said:
Some make it sound like every team in the league was lined up. How can they do better than a 5th when only 1 team was willing to part with that and take on that contract? A 5th beats the only other option of no pick at all and eating dead cap on top of it.

THEY TELEGRAPH THEIR FEELINGS ABOUT COOPER, THEN TRIED TO TRADE HIM.
I only heard about Hill and Adams trade possibility a day before they were traded and their former teams said nothing to devalue them.

SackMaster · Mar 23, 2022

birdwells1 said:
Cooper 2020 92. 1112. 5tds
Hill. 2020. 87 1276 15tds
Adams 2020 115. 1374. 18tds

I put the 2020 stats because Amari did this with backup qbs, I didn't list 2021 due to decreased targets and concerted effort to deflate his stats by the front office through Kellen Moore.

Hill and Adams are better wrs than Cooper but if they are "A"s then Amari is a"B" or "B+" which means he had more value than what we got for him.

Sure, Amari isn't miles behind either Adams or Hill as overall WRs, but what Amari has not been in his NFL career is a threat.

It seems like every KC game I have seen in the past 3-4 years, which is not a lot but probably the most non-Cowboys games I have watched in that time frame, Tyreek takes a 2 yard dump off and turns it into a 60 yard gain.
And while Davante Adams does not seem like a deep threat, he sure seems like a threat when they get into the Red Zone ala Dez.

So while I would agree, talent wise, Amari is right there with those two, for some reason or another, production wise, he has been far, far behind them. He just has not shown to be "that guy" who will consistently threaten the D for a big play. He will get open, that is for darn sure, but he does not do as much AFTER getting open as other WRs in the league do.

JMHO

Captain-Crash · Mar 23, 2022

let those other two guys play with the baby dak and see what they get.

birdwells1 · Mar 23, 2022

SackMaster said:
Sure, Amari isn't miles behind either Adams or Hill as overall WRs, but what Amari has not been in his NFL career is a threat.

It seems like every KC game I have seen in the past 3-4 years, which is not a lot but probably the most non-Cowboys games I have watched in that time frame, Tyreek takes a 2 yard dump off and turns it into a 60 yard gain.
And while Davante Adams does not seem like a deep threat, he sure seems like a threat when they get into the Red Zone ala Dez.

So while I would agree, talent wise, Amari is right there with those two, for some reason or another, production wise, he has been far, far behind them. He just has not shown to be "that guy" who will consistently threaten the D for a big play. He will get open, that is for darn sure, but he does not do as much AFTER getting open as other WRs in the league do.

JMHO

I guess what I'm trying to say that Amari is closer in talent than the gap in the trade value indicates. I'm really pointing a finger at Stephen Jones leaking damaging info and announcing his release before seeking a trade.

conner01 · Mar 23, 2022

Joe Realist said:
Wonder if Hill has some legal stuff coming

Haven’t seen anything about that
Care to share

SackMaster · Mar 23, 2022

birdwells1 said:
I guess what I'm trying to say that Amari is closer in talent than the gap in the trade value indicates. I'm really pointing a finger at Stephen Jones leaking damaging info and announcing his release before seeking a trade.

No doubt Stephen screwed up by allowing private information to go public, but if you think Amari's production would command anything close to what was given up for Adams or Hill, then I think you would be hoping more than making a logical conclusion.

IMO, even under the best of circumstances, I think the most Dallas could have gotten for Amari is a 3rd. And even then, with two teams seemingly souring on Amari for one reason or another, that would probably be too generous. So chances are if Stephen didn't do his best to screw himself over, I think a team would only offer a 4th for Amari and his contract.

I'm not trying to defend Stephen or Jerry in the least, but I think many are completely overvaluing how much Amari would have gotten just to make the Jones' look even stupider than what they are.

JMHO

birdwells1 · Mar 23, 2022

SackMaster said:
No doubt Stephen screwed up by allowing private information to go public, but if you think Amari's production would command anything close to what was given up for Adams or Hill, then I think you would be hoping more than making a logical conclusion.

IMO, even under the best of circumstances, I think the most Dallas could have gotten for Amari is a 3rd. And even then, with two teams seemingly souring on Amari for one reason or another, that would probably be too generous. So chances are if Stephen didn't do his best to screw himself over, I think a team would only offer a 4th for Amari and his contract.

I'm not trying to defend Stephen or Jerry in the least, but I think many are completely overvaluing how much Amari would have gotten just to make the Jones' look even stupider than what they are.

JMHO

I think if SJ was quiet about it we could've gotten at best a 2nd at worst a third. Those teams that acquired hill and adams paid them much more than Amari was earning. Good and respectful back and forth I appreciate it.

Motorola · Mar 23, 2022

conner01 said:
Haven’t seen anything about that
Care to share

Motorola said:
No.
Three and three-quarters years have passed since the league declined to suspend Tyreek HIll for personal conduct violations regarding DV allegations by his SO\fiance and child abuse she claimed against his son.
Since that ruling - July 19th, 2019 - nothing else has come up
Hill is in the clear.

Captain43Crash · Mar 23, 2022

It wasn’t just about the draft picks!!!! It was about getting rid of a player with a huge salary CAP hit, and getting rid of a player that disappeared to often. Also, he was willing to stand on the sidelines with the game on the line!!!!

Big_D · Mar 23, 2022

birdwells1 said:
THEY TELEGRAPH THEIR FEELINGS ABOUT COOPER, THEN TRIED TO TRADE HIM.
I only heard about Hill and Adams trade possibility a day before they were traded and their former teams said nothing to devalue them.

You knew they had an out in 2022 when he signed the deal. I’m no fan of Jerry or his idiot son BUT they didn’t really have to telegraph anything for a WR who just put up 865 yards in a 17 game season. Seems like wishful thinking that he would command much more than they got. Specially with the contract associated. Another classic overvalue by the front office and some fans. The snowball effect of poor decisions from the trade to the contract and really no surprise things ended the way it did.

ColoradoCowboy · Mar 23, 2022

Adreme said:
Nobody wanted to pay Cooper's contract. Everyone wanted to give Adams and Hill a bigger contract. That is the difference.

Truth. The value of a thing is equal to EXACTLY what someone is willing to pay. No more, no less. The value of Cooper was low.

Could Cooper have been worth more? Sure. If we had thrown to him more than 7 times per game.

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