How do the Rams do it with their cap?

Proof · Mar 23, 2022

dplant22 said:
They want to win and somehow they make it happen, the Jones boys are content with overpaying a bunch of JAGs

made* once, after years of going all in. obviously i’d take that, but let’s not act as if they’ve become a dynasty

ICP · Mar 23, 2022

Proof said:
made* once, after years of going all in. obviously i’d take that, but let’s not act as if they’ve become a dynasty

No, I'm not saying they are a dynasty, in fact I don't really believe that we will see much of that after the Pats. But at least it shows me they are trying. I'm sorry but I don't see how continually re-signing only the guys you've drafted that haven't been able to get it done in previous years along with a bunch of average or coming off of major injury free agents is going to lead to continued success let alone a Super Bowl win. The Jones buffoons to me have proved this over the past 10+ years of operating this way.

Proof · Mar 23, 2022

dplant22 said:
No, I'm not saying they are a dynasty, in fact I don't really believe that we will see much of that after the Pats. But at least it shows me they are trying. I'm sorry but I don't see how continually re-signing only the guys you've drafted that haven't been able to get it done in previous years along with a bunch of average or coming off of major injury free agents is going to lead to continued success let alone a Super Bowl win. The Jones buffoons to me have proved this over the past 10+ years of operating this way.

you'll get no argument from me on the Jones ineptitude. I just think the Rams lovefest is a bit overworn. It's intriguing for sure, and obviously paid off last year, I just don't think it's a blueprint, sustainable, or particularly fruitful overall considering the resources deployed.

ICP · Mar 23, 2022

Proof said:
you'll get no argument from me on the Jones ineptitude. I just think the Rams lovefest is a bit overworn. It's intriguing for sure, and obviously paid off last year, I just don't think it's a blueprint, sustainable, or particularly fruitful overall considering the resources deployed.

I hear you on the love fest. I live in Socal and hate the Rams and literally all there fans are bandwagon. But I hear now that Von Miller has left town they are after Wagner. At least they seem to want to have better players on their team and aren't satisfied to resign the average guys they might draft like the ones we resign and overpay all the time. Lol, sometimes it seems the Dumb & Dumber think if they pay a guy more he will play better. This goes all the way back to the Austin Miles signing

Proof · Mar 24, 2022

dplant22 said:
I hear you on the love fest. I live in Socal and hate the Rams and literally all there fans are bandwagon. But I hear now that Von Miller has left town they are after Wagner. At least they seem to want to have better players on their team and aren't satisfied to resign the average guys they might draft like the ones we resign and overpay all the time. Lol, sometimes it seems the Dumb & Dumber think if they pay a guy more he will play better. This goes all the way back to the Austin Miles signing

yeah, it’s kind of a catch 22. they don’t have any draft capital so their forced to splurge in FA, which has a 2 fold affect (especially now that they’ve won) of A) fans thinking they have a more competent office than they do and B) free agents actually wanting to go there because they’re known to pay. fun luxury when it pans out

quickccc · Mar 24, 2022

Mobinvans said:
All I hear from Jerry and his genius son is cap cap cap…..and that’s why we always sign all these third rate scrubs or a hurt guy on a one year contract ….

So how do the Rams manage to sign and trade for all these expensive pro bowlers and future hall of fame players ….

Is the Rams cap bigger than ours????

- Stephen is a genius when it comes to being Conservative ,... he's not a genius when it comes to being cleverly aggressive.

- Or he chooses to try not to be aggressive.

- If he came up big in Free Agency the way he orchestrated the Cooper and Robert Quinn trades, ....

gimmesix · Mar 24, 2022

Mobinvans said:
All I hear from Jerry and his genius son is cap cap cap…..and that’s why we always sign all these third rate scrubs or a hurt guy on a one year contract ….

So how do the Rams manage to sign and trade for all these expensive pro bowlers and future hall of fame players ….

Is the Rams cap bigger than ours????

It's simply a matter of moving money around through cuts, signings and restructures. All three have to be used to keep the money flowing where you want it to flow. Getting right who to cut, who to restructure and who to sign is the difficult part, but if you are doing it right, you can keep shifting it around until you get it right; you can afford to make a mistake like giving Goff a big contract and then get out of it without slowing your momentum.

That's an oversimplification, but there's no magic to what they are doing.

Acceptablename · Mar 24, 2022

Mobinvans said:
All I hear from Jerry and his genius son is cap cap cap…..and that’s why we always sign all these third rate scrubs or a hurt guy on a one year contract ….

So how do the Rams manage to sign and trade for all these expensive pro bowlers and future hall of fame players ….
Here is a question
Is the Rams cap bigger than ours????

Here is the great mystery . I defend the Jones’s a lot because of unfair criticism but this one Im baffled

CowboyoWales · Mar 24, 2022

dplant22 said:
No, I'm not saying they are a dynasty, in fact I don't really believe that we will see much of that after the Pats. But at least it shows me they are trying. I'm sorry but I don't see how continually re-signing only the guys you've drafted that haven't been able to get it done in previous years along with a bunch of average or coming off of major injury free agents is going to lead to continued success let alone a Super Bowl win. The Jones buffoons to me have proved this over the past 10+ years of operating this way.

That's why it's false to say that this off season is like any other. In fact it could be argued that we at last have attempted to right the ship and started cutting/trading and in DLaw's case cut up those poor contracts.
You have to build a core to set a foundation and then go 'all-in' to sign those last missing pieces...unfortunately for us we start by throwing around the big contracts which leaves a number of holes that we've only got JAG money to fill.
We went to the restructure well too many times and 2021 and 2022 are the reset years as we build around Micah (Diggs, Lamb).
There is also the luck factor, if you're paying top money the players have to be constant elite players playing to the contract....(Travis, Tyron, La'el, Zeke). Yes Dak you may be next on the list.

I hope the Jones actually see that as in Hill and Adams, that you don't need to sign ALL of your pending FA's, reinvest some into draft picks (which also helps reduce the CAP burden)... rather than try and sign everyone.

Walker · Mar 24, 2022

ClappingCarrot said:
Most GMs are in fear of losing their jobs and don't get a decade plus to build their legacy like they used to.

Only a front office with lifetime guaranteed jobs could accomplish what we accomplish. Oh wait...

Basically the Jones don't have to product a good team, they still have a job, vs other GMs they have to show results to keep theirs. One has a mentality for winning the other does not.

CowboyoWales · Mar 24, 2022

Walker said:
Basically the Jones don't have to product a good team, they still have a job, vs other GMs they have to show results to keep theirs.

Yep, Jerry gets his kicks on being the friend to the stars... gets off on the Photo Op when the star gets overpaid to sign.
We do need a realistic GM that doesn't have Jerry standing in the shadows (Jerry phoning Gregory).
Not popular but I can see what Stephen's trying to do, reset whilst still putting a team on the field....the problem is he may not have the personal flamboyance of his father (possibly due to being undermined and constantly in the shadow of dad).
IF Stephen's staying (and I say this as I see Jerry as bequething the Cowboys to his son) he needs a high profile assistant/advisor who can work with agents/players....and both of them totally step out of dad's shadow, we need a different approach to what we've done since the CAP was introduced

DCCowboys11 · Mar 24, 2022

thunderpimp91 said:
The rams are in for one long rebuild in just a couple years. They’ve gone all in and if that nets you a Super Bowl it’s worth it. 2024 seems to be when the clock may run out on them. Stafford cap hit goes ballistic, Aaron Donald needs a new deal before then, they have to make a decision on Ramsey for 2024 and cooper kupp becomes an FA that year too. Basically they can either elect for cap hell or lose the talent that is getting them to super bowls. Either way it’ll be a tough spot because they don’t have much draft capital to replace these guys for several years.

If I’ve got a REAL HC and a REAL GM, I’m taking that chance. Let’s go win a Super Bowl. Or in the Rams case, back to back Super Bowls.

CowboyoWales · Mar 24, 2022

quickccc said:
- Stephen is a genius when it comes to being Conservative ,... he's not a genius when it comes to being cleverly aggressive.

- Or he chooses to try not to be aggressive.

- If he came up big in Free Agency the way he orchestrated the Cooper and Robert Quinn trades, ....

We aren't necessarily conservative, we're spending....but we've continually restructured just to pay the utility bills and keep our veterans.
There is nothing similar this year to years gone by, in the last 12 months we've l: cut Jaylon, La'el, the non productive Coop, cut up the DLaw contract.
We aren't out of the woods, this year AND 2023 we're in CAP difficulty...with next year (bye Zeke), (Tyron probably DLaw contract overhaul), this will put us in a decent CAP situation to extend some of the recent draft classes and spend some in free agency....at that point we can look at a difference maker.
At the moment we aren't in a one player away from competing mode....

thunderpimp91 · Mar 24, 2022

DCCowboys11 said:
If I’ve got a REAL HC and a REAL GM, I’m taking that chance. Let’s go win a Super Bowl. Or in the Rams case, back to back Super Bowls.

No argument here at all. They rolled the dice on a really good short window and it’s worked. I just think that window is starting to close quicker than people think. The 2024 season brings Donald, Ramsey, kupp, etc all on the wrong side of 30, a qb on the wrong side of 35, major cap implications, and a lack of young talent through the draft. The good news for them is they’ve been to 2 Super Bowls during their run, won one, and are basically plying with house money the next couple years. No need for them to change course now, might as well stay all in the next two seasons. When the bill finally comes it may come with 5 years of high interest financing attached though.

Ranched · Mar 24, 2022

Acquired Pro-Bowler (s) paid off by winning the SB. If not, they would have been in trouble.

By employing a trade-for-established-players strategy, they haven’t actually selected a player in the first round since 2016. And with nearly all of their 2022 picks in the hands of other teams, the Rams won’t be able to restock the roster via the draft in April.

baltcowboy · Mar 24, 2022

Mobinvans said:
All I hear from Jerry and his genius son is cap cap cap…..and that’s why we always sign all these third rate scrubs or a hurt guy on a one year contract ….

So how do the Rams manage to sign and trade for all these expensive pro bowlers and future hall of fame players ….

Is the Rams cap bigger than ours????

The Rams have a real life general manager that can lose his job if things don’t work out. Snead hires the best cap guys he can find who understands the landscape of the future of the salary cap. While the Cowboys have the owner and son making general manager and president decisions. Basically they don’t have to worry about losing their jobs. At the league share holder meetings the Joneses are bragging about making the most profits while the Rams owner is bragging about the Super Bowl.

RustyBourneHorse · Mar 24, 2022

numnuts23 said:
Nope...the only thing bigger is Stan Kroenke's huevos, compared to Jerry's.

Maybe we need Jerry to buy Chelsea as well. Helps when you own big clubs in other countries too apparently.

CowboyoWales · Mar 24, 2022

daboyzruleperiod said:
Acquired Pro-Bowler (s) paid off by winning the SB. If not, they would have been in trouble.

By employing a trade-for-established-players strategy, they haven’t actually selected a player in the first round since 2016. And with nearly all of their 2022 picks in the hands of other teams, the Rams won’t be able to restock the roster via the draft in April.

Yep, also:
1) No 1st and 4th Rd pick in 2023
2) CAP - $22M - 2023 and $46m - 2024
3) FA in 2024 - Kupp, Ackers, Jefferson, Higbee, Havenstein, Edwards, Evans, Robinson, Gaines, Hollins, Rapp.
4) Stafford still making $36m at 36 years old.

They have the decision in 2023, either break up the band (maybe get a couple of new musicians) and start again, or one last farewell tour followed by wilderness years.

We have taken a totally different approach, there isnt a right or wrong, just different approaches.....for consideration:

a) we did trade a 1st Rd Pick for Coop (universally applauded, but didnt work out).
b) Rams didnt go the Franchise QB route and build around him, they went get the team in place and the veteran (or lesser QB in the draft) will find you.

CowboyoWales · Mar 24, 2022

Furboy said:
Maybe we need Jerry to buy Chelsea as well. Helps when you own big clubs in other countries too apparently.

It's interesting that there's an inverse correlation when American owners own British Premier League Teams.

Maybe Jerry should buy Spurs or Everton?

phildadon86 · Mar 24, 2022

Ken said:
Well...The cowboys have 9 draft picks in the draft and have picks in the first 3 rounds. Draft $$ expected to be 7-9 million.

Rams have their first pick at the end of round 3, a compensatory pick at 104. Their next is the end of round 4, a comp pick at 142.

They then have their next picks at the end of the 6th round, comp picks at 211, 212, and 218. Then they have two 7th round picks.

Their draft pool is probably 700k at most.

SO that is a big difference and also a difference in philosophy. We have seen the Football Team use this approach and flame out miserably. The Rams got a little lucky last year and we will see what happens this year.

Lol. Lucky? They’ve been to 2 superbowls in the last 5 years. That’s not luck. Anything to downplay other teams and make the cowboys look competent I guess. Let’s put this into perspective. The cowboys had 3 picks in the third round last season. And refused to move up in the draft. That refusal netted them wright. Lol.

How do the Rams do it with their cap?

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Texas Ranger

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

"We Are Penn State"

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member