Amari Cooper trade vs Hill and Adams

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Big_D said:
Some make it sound like every team in the league was lined up. How can they do better than a 5th when only 1 team was willing to part with that and take on that contract? A 5th beats the only other option of no pick at all and eating dead cap on top of it.
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exactly the trolls who hate the jOnses family lie to make these ridiculous post when it actually apples to oranges type of deals and players' isnt even on the radar with those two WRs..not even close. He has the talent BUT NOT the DRIVE no desire to be the best has him in the tier below.
 
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JohnnyHopkins said:
Tyreek Hill netted a 2022 1st, a 2022 2nd a 2022 4th-round pick, and additional picks in 2023

Davonte Adams netted a 2022 first and a 2022 2nd

Amari Cooper netted a 2022 5th and 2023 6th, plus Dallas traded back a 2022 6th.

Not saying Cooper is at Adam's and Hill's level, but......man.
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Go see what Robert Woods for. That’s Coopers comp..he’s not Adams or Hill….nowhere near.
 
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DallasMike said:
Nothing better at that moment. What was the rush? They moved enough money around to make an offer to Gregory. I can accept they moved on and got a 5th. Whatever. But it is almost hard to believe they couldn't get more than a 5th. Not worth debating over.

It is what it is. But do you have faith in the front office enough to say they couldn't have gotten more? Would Bill B have gotten more? Would The Eagles have gotten more?
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no they wouldn't have nope..the proof is they took what they could believe it..wake up his contract was bloated that was the issue to take on that contract they gave less draft picks easy to understand,.
best deal they could get and saved 16mil

no rush

it was time..that was his market hard to fathom huh..yes AC wasnt worth draft picks that all we could get..wake up..we needed the cap space and got what we could better then nothing and cutting him..

stop beign married to players its business he would have bene worth els saa time went on ,cut and we wouldn't have got those picks.get it yet??,.,his market was dry..hes NOT Hill hes not Adams , he wasnt the best wr on our team last year numbers say Lamb and schultz were as good or better and Gallups YPC days he can replace cooper no problem. it was time.

you all have AC overvalued. that for sure given all the overactions just like Gregory's departure. Its ironic..all the cut players were players fan whined about in the past now that they are gone now its a Jonses did bad thing narrative..we call that trolling.
 
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Havic said:
Cooper had a pretty piss poor season. Had he put up double digit TD's and had about 1200 receiving yards we would have had a much better haul regardless of contract.
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He did put up big numbers without Dak Prescott at QB in 2020 playing with Dinucci, Gilbert, and Dalton.

After Jerry Dumbo GM Jones and Stephen Director of Titles Jones announce they were going to release him, the Cowboys gave him away for free. They tried to punish him by sending him to Cleveland with Baker Fakefield. But Browns had another game plan and put Deshaun Watson and Amari Cooper together. I think he may be smiling now.

After the Cowboys had the worst defensive performance in history in 2020, Jerry Dumbo GM Jones has been trying to justify the Lamb 2020 draft pick .

When your GM is advertising that you were going to cut the player, why would you think you would get a high draft pick . Typical Arlington Jonesboys revisionist history.
 
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As much as I love Cooper and wanted to keep him you werent getting a number 1 or 2 for him you just werent

Adams and Hill yes
 
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blueblood70 said:
no they wouldn't have nope..the proof is they took what they could believe it..wake up his contract was bloated that was the issue to take on that contract they gave less draft picks easy to understand,.
best deal they could get and saved 16mil

no rush

it was time..that was his market hard to fathom huh..yes AC wasnt worth draft picks that all we could get..wake up..we needed the cap space and got what we could better then nothing and cutting him..

stop beign married to players its business he would have bene worth els saa time went on ,cut and we wouldn't have got those picks.get it yet??,.,his market was dry..hes NOT Hill hes not Adams , he wasnt the best wr on our team last year numbers say Lamb and schultz were as good or better and Gallups YPC days he can replace cooper no problem. it was time.

you all have AC overvalued. that for sure given all the overactions just like Gregory's departure. Its ironic..all the cut players were players fan whined about in the past now that they are gone now its a Jonses did bad thing narrative..we call that trolling.[/QUOT

Oh. Is that what trollings means? Thanks.

My advice in return. Less is more.



Asking for what Hill got would be over valuing Cooper. But he is most definitely worth more than a 5th. And according to a few people in the media, they seem to be agreeing with that.
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JayFord said:
As much as I love Cooper and wanted to keep him you werent getting a number 1 or 2 for him you just werent

Adams and Hill yes
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You absolutely could get a good haul for Cooper. He's young and very talented. He's no less talented than our team trading exactly that for him in 2018. Our front office is such absolute garbage that teams know they have all the leverage over us when making deals. We always get fleeced from either side of these trades.

You are 100% fooling yourself if you talk yourself into thinking getting one single late round pick for Cooper is normal.

This front office is at the bottom of the league of how bad they are.
 

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Creeper said:
The Cowboys got fleeced on the Cooper deal and they got nothing for Collins. There are no excuses for what they did there. They didn't have to trade or cut either player. They forced their own hands, then tipped off the world they would release both players if they could not work out a trade. Notice how the Vikings just kept Danielle Hunter when they did not get a suitable offer for him. Cooper may not be as good as Tyreek Hill but he is worth more than a 5th round pick. The Cowboys are certainly not going to find a receiver as good as Cooper in the 5th round of the draft.
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If Cooper was worth more than a 5th rounder, then the Cowboys would have gotten more than a 5th rounder or another team would have given more than a 5th rounder, right? :huh:
 
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rocyaice said:
Go see what Robert Woods for. That’s Coopers comp..he’s not Adams or Hill….nowhere near.
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Hes better than Woods. It's in between those. Coop has been very productive every season but one, until his second half of last year. (So 6 of 8) Woods has had two 1k seasons out of 9.
 
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After seeing what the Chiefs got for Hill, I was so ready to blast the Cowboys for the Cooper trade, until I stopped and considered the following:

1. It's clear teams across the NFL do not see Cooper in the same light as Hill.
2. The Cowboys COULD have gotten better compensation for Cooper, but they would have had to take on more of his salary cap charge, which basically defeated the point. The Cowboys wanted out of Cooper's money entirely.
3. The Cowboys were simply prepared to release Cooper anyway. The Browns actually did them a favor by giving them a 5th and a higher 6th. Something is better than nothing.
 
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tyke1doe said:
If Cooper was worth more than a 5th rounder, then the Cowboys would have gotten more than a 5th rounder or another team would have given more than a 5th rounder, right? :huh:
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The Cowboys announced they would cut him if they could not work out a trade for him. Why would teams make a serious offer for him if they knew he would be available for nothing anyway? And picking him up as a free agent would allow them to re-sign him to a more agreeable contract. The point is the Cowboys did not have to trade him or cut Collins. If they received an offer that they did not like they could just say no to the deal. Like I said, how likely is it that a WR as good as Cooper would be available in the 5th round?

And if anyone is wondering, the Cowboys are not getting a comp pick for Collins either. They literally got nothing for him.
 
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Havic said:
Cooper had a pretty piss poor season. Had he put up double digit TD's and had about 1200 receiving yards we would have had a much better haul regardless of contract.
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It was far from a piss poor season he was tied for the team lead with 8 TD catches. He put up over 260 yards against Tampa in Minnesota with 3 TD catches. He made some big catches last season that contributed to some wins. It wasn’t his fault we didn’t target him enough.
 
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wonder what those other guys would have gotten if their quarterback was afraid to throw to them. hum
 
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Well you would have to have a QB that could showcase your WR skills to be able to get his true value!

Cooper got really luck going from Mayfield to Watson!
 
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That is why we need a GM! Could you imagine any other GM in the league saying they would cut a player to get less? Jerry is not GM, Stephen is not GM, who is the GM? we need a visionary to point the team in the right direction not to build a brand nor just finance it - we have knuckleheads who do their own thing. It trickles down to the coaching... we don't have a head coach we have a yest man.
 
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Well it’s par for the course. Jerry is the worst GM in the league. At least guys from Cleveland and Miami get fired. Jerry’s reign of ineptitude is over 3 decades. The way the Cooper trade was handled was just another example in dozens of Jerry being a complete moron as a GM.
 
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rocyaice said:
I’d agree he’s better than Woods but they are of the same caliber.
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I think Woods maxed out in a good system. I can't say the same for Coop. I have to put Coop a tier above Woods and one below Adams and Hill. It will be interesting to see how much they benefited from their prior surroundings.
 
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