Why would Sean Payton want to come here?

RustyBourneHorse · Mar 30, 2022

john van brocklin said:
Yeah!
Cowboy for life!!!!

Exactly

RustyBourneHorse · Mar 30, 2022

Captain-Crash said:
I miss those epic fights for daks' affection.

Oh, I still support Dak. You know why? Cuz I'm a Cowboys fan.

RustyBourneHorse · Mar 30, 2022

Bobhaze said:
We’ve had two HOF coaches under Jerry’s tenure- Jimmy and the Big Tuna. Only Jimmy had a HOF career HERE. Of the 8 coaches we’ve had while JJ owned the team, only two have played in a conference championship game- Jimmy and Barry (with the team Jimmy formed)

Are we to believe in the 33 seasons of Jerry’s ownership, we could not have hired better HCs than Chan Gailey, Dave Campo, Wade Phillips, and Jason Garrett? Jerry kept Coach Vanilla for an entire wasted decade. You kinda have to admit….we haven’t had many great HCs under Jerry. We could have done better.

I mean, for goodness sake, we could have had Andy Reid going into the 2013 season instead of the Clapper.

nightrain · Mar 30, 2022

He won't go to a job where he doesn't have final say in player personnel decisions.

quickccc · Mar 30, 2022

Jake said:
And with each coach who comes to Dallas, and wins nothing, the "stigmata" of America's Team lessens in every person who realizes 1995 was over a generation ago.

- Yet If we check the current TV ratings, memorabilia marketing, sell out crowds, Vegas odds and favorites, the traditional America's Team stigmata still stands.
The " popularity" contest and aura still stands,.. and still sells.

- Now when it comes to pure competition, winning on the playing field, winning playoffs - with a true chance to win a SB, (which what really should matter more) - we come up empty.

- The Jones have been brilliant when it comes to selling the Cowboys on the market to fans, TV Networks, merchandise chains, and Vegas off the field. but as much as they like to think they have THE winning formula to get to and win the Super Bowl, ... they have a failed plan.

- Now we're going thru plans from- enamored with the next Sean Payton/Sean McVey young genius (see Garrett, Kellen) .to the immediate vet SB winning HC in McCarthy.
And yes, one of the major issues has been the Jones are still too stuck in the 90's - just as Jason Garrett was too.

fairviewfarmer · Mar 30, 2022

CouchCoach said:
Who says he wants to come to the Cowboys? All speculation.

Agree.

wecasa · Mar 30, 2022

Why would Mccarthy stay in this crap show if everyone knows old jer is setting the table for Sean. That just seems dumb. AND if it did come to be and he had any sort of success, would old jer be able to keep his hands to himself and not spoil the lot by bringing in a splash guy like he did with Owen's or trade multiple picks for a Galloway or Roy Williams type guy.

RustyBourneHorse · Mar 30, 2022

wecasa said:
Why would Mccarthy stay in this crap show if everyone knows old jer is setting the table for Sean. That just seems dumb. AND if it did come to be and he had any sort of success, would old jer be able to keep his hands to himself and not spoil the lot by bringing in a splash guy like he did with Owen's or trade multiple picks for a Galloway or Roy Williams type guy.

And then Jerry wonders why he struggles to find top of the line coaches.

G2 · Mar 30, 2022

Who cares. payton isn't anything different than McCarthy.

Preoccupied · Mar 30, 2022

kevm3 said:
I know the Jones boys are banking on Payton coming here, but after seeing how the FO just completely dismantled a competitive team for NO reason and essentially turning McCarthy into a lame duck coach, why would Sean Payton want to come here and be part of an FO that has no idea what it is doing? We may even lose out on Dan Quinn who see how McCarthy got done and will decide to coach elsewhere.

He won't he has common sense.

Next....

Captain-Crash · Mar 30, 2022

Furboy said:
Oh, I still support Dak. You know why? Cuz I'm a Cowboys fan.

Do you know why I don't support him, because I'm a cowboys fan, not a players fan. fight on!!

RustyBourneHorse · Mar 30, 2022

Captain-Crash said:
Do you know why I don't support him, because I'm a cowboys fan, not a players fan. fight on!!

Well, he's the QB of the team. There aren't a lot of better options available, and there were none last year either save for maybe Stafford, and we wouldn't have had Parsons if we had attempted to make that trade. Dak helped us get to the playoffs with a nice record and a division win. I don't think he was fully healthy following his calf injury against the Patriots. As I've said before, his footwork was different before and after that injury. If he can stay healthy this season, I think Dak can take us further, especially if the oline gets resolved. This takes me to another point. No way am I taking a rookie QB with the oline the way it is, and that was if this class had good QBs. Which it doesn't. Want to ruin a rookie QB quickly? Give them this oline. Tyron misses games every season. Williams was a holding machine, so it was a good thing his contract expired. However, we don't have much on the roster there. This is where I think Zion Johnson out of Boston College comes in, especially if we get a trade down. Biadisz doesn't have the best of snaps. Zach Martin is the one consistent figure on this line. Steele is pretty good, but we could do better. Tell me, would you trust a rookie QB behind that line?

Captain-Crash · Mar 30, 2022

Furboy said:
Well, he's the QB of the team. There aren't a lot of better options available, and there were none last year either save for maybe Stafford, and we wouldn't have had Parsons if we had attempted to make that trade. Dak helped us get to the playoffs with a nice record and a division win. I don't think he was fully healthy following his calf injury against the Patriots. As I've said before, his footwork was different before and after that injury. If he can stay healthy this season, I think Dak can take us further, especially if the oline gets resolved. This takes me to another point. No way am I taking a rookie QB with the oline the way it is, and that was if this class had good QBs. Which it doesn't. Want to ruin a rookie QB quickly? Give them this oline. Tyron misses games every season. Williams was a holding machine, so it was a good thing his contract expired. However, we don't have much on the roster there. This is where I think Zion Johnson out of Boston College comes in, especially if we get a trade down. Biadisz doesn't have the best of snaps. Zach Martin is the one consistent figure on this line. Steele is pretty good, but we could do better. Tell me, would you trust a rookie QB behind that line?

jimmy johnson says you're wrong, we don't have enough talent to carry him past the division. sad but true.
no matter how many excuses you dak gobblers make up.

RustyBourneHorse · Mar 30, 2022

Captain-Crash said:
jimmy johnson says you're wrong, we don't have enough talent to carry him past the division. sad but true.
no matter how many excuses you dak gobblers make up.

I think he can cover for that, and I think he showed it in the Bucs game. Yes, we lost, but he played well enough to win had it not been for questionable officiating towards the end. We were massive underdogs that game, and he put on an incredible performance. I think what Jimmy was referring to was the fact that our oline and team in general committed penalties galore. We committed 14 penalties in the playoff game against the 49ers. This tied the NFL record for most by any team in a playoff game, and we were the HOME team! You're not going to win many games, much less playoff games 2-3! You're committing that many penalties. When your offense is having to drive frequently from 1st and 20 or 2nd and 25, your options are kinda limited, especially when you have players like Connor Williams who were holding as much as he did. We had 89 yards of penalties for those 14. Of those, we had 4 holding calls (one on Gifford, one on Williams, one on Collins, and one on Smith). We also had two false starts. One on Connor Williams and one on Collins. Both of which are no longer on the team. We also had an illegal block above the waist on Cedric Wilson and an Illegal shift on CeeDee Lamb. As I recall, the holding on Connor Williams took away a big run from I think Zeke. So, not only did that cost us 10 yards from the penalty alone, but it wiped away what was a 20 yard run. That's a 30 yard swing and a loss of momentum, which is key in football. The biggest thing for the team is to stop committing penalties. And there is no excuse for committing a false start when you're the home team. I don't care if you have Patrick Mahomes. You're not going to win a lot of games committing 14 penalties in the playoffs as the home team.

Captain-Crash · Mar 30, 2022

Furboy said:
I think he can cover for that, and I think he showed it in the Bucs game. Yes, we lost, but he played well enough to win had it not been for questionable officiating towards the end. We were massive underdogs that game, and he put on an incredible performance. I think what Jimmy was referring to was the fact that our oline and team in general committed penalties galore. We committed 14 penalties in the playoff game against the 49ers. This tied the NFL record for most by any team in a playoff game, and we were the HOME team! You're not going to win many games, much less playoff games 2-3! You're committing that many penalties. When your offense is having to drive frequently from 1st and 20 or 2nd and 25, your options are kinda limited, especially when you have players like Connor Williams who were holding as much as he did. We had 89 yards of penalties for those 14. Of those, we had 4 holding calls (one on Gifford, one on Williams, one on Collins, and one on Smith). We also had two false starts. One on Connor Williams and one on Collins. Both of which are no longer on the team. We also had an illegal block above the waist on Cedric Wilson and an Illegal shift on CeeDee Lamb. As I recall, the holding on Connor Williams took away a big run from I think Zeke. So, not only did that cost us 10 yards from the penalty alone, but it wiped away what was a 20 yard run. That's a 30 yard swing and a loss of momentum, which is key in football. The biggest thing for the team is to stop committing penalties. And there is no excuse for committing a false start when you're the home team. I don't care if you have Patrick Mahomes. You're not going to win a lot of games committing 14 penalties in the playoffs as the home team.

have to disagree, jimmy said dak wasn't carrying any team, the team would have to Trent Dilfer him. last year was the last time he was going to be carried here. sad but true. he is through. Wait until the offensive line becomes the offensive line Kurt cousin played behind in Washington and the fear gets worse. lamb scares nobody, he will disappear and fans will be crying about lamb when it's the QB's fear to throw into coverage. sad but true. the offensive line committing penalties was due to them trying to hold the defense to let the slow reader find somebody, anybody but he couldn't from fear.

slow on reads needs to speed up reads in the NFL
Throws to target rather than leading or throwing them open on short/intermediate throws
Too respectful of underneath coverage and must be more willing to challenge the defense
Needs to improve anticipation
Pocket poise has been compromised

don't read his scouting report if you want your dream to be shattered. it rings true today as the day it was written. sad but true again.

remember I'm a "dak hater", but a Cowboy fan.

RustyBourneHorse · Mar 30, 2022

Captain-Crash said:
have to disagree, jimmy said dak wasn't carrying any team, the team would have to Trent Dilfer him. last year was the last time he was going to be carried here. sad but true. he is through. Wait until the offensive line becomes the offensive line Kurt cousin played behind in Washington and the fear gets worse. lamb scares nobody, he will disappear and fans will be crying about lamb when it's the QB's fear to throw into coverage. sad but true. the offensive line committing penalties was due to them trying to hold the defense to let the slow reader find somebody, anybody but he couldn't from fear.

slow on reads needs to speed up reads in the NFL

Throws to target rather than leading or throwing them open on short/intermediate throws

Too respectful of underneath coverage and must be more willing to challenge the defense

Needs to improve anticipation

Pocket poise has been compromised

don't read his scouting report if you want your dream to be shattered. it rings true today as the day it was written. sad but true again.

I'm not saying he's perfect. Frankly, I wanted him resigned the season before last instead of being franchised. This was because, at the time, he'd only have cost about $35 mil, which is about what Wentz got, and Dak is a much better QB than Wentz, as has been proven. Instead, Jerry procrastinated. One could argue we could have gotten a player like Max Jones in last year's draft, but then we'd miss out on a generational talent like what we have in Parsons. Oh, and we beat Mac Jones' Patriots, so round 1 to Dak on that anyway. As for the QBs you'd have to replace him with this draft, I can't think of a QB in this draft that would be better. So, if you were to get rid of Dak, as you want, then the earliest you can hope to try to find a replacement (which you seldom seem to understand that you have to replace the players that you lose....then again, Stephen Jones doesn't get that either) is maybe the 2024 draft, and that's if you're lucky. In essence, had we let Dak walk last year, we'd have likely tanked last season and this season because there wouldn't have been a Parsons if you go QB early last year, and there are no sufficient QBs this year, nor a Micah Parsons in this draft. So, holding on to Dak, as expensive as he is, makes sense because you at least have a QB you can win with and you're not going to completely suck with. This buys us time to get things in order with the oline and get the defence even better. So, that's where the keeping of Dak made sense to me last year. Let's not forget, our defence in 2020 was the worst in franchise history. There was no way we could go into that draft and ignore defence, especially early. Had our defence not been made of Swiss cheese, maybe we could've gone QB, but the fact of the matter is I think we'd rather poke our eyes out with a fork than watch that defencive display again.

Captain-Crash · Mar 30, 2022

Furboy said:
I'm not saying he's perfect. Frankly, I wanted him resigned the season before last instead of being franchised. This was because, at the time, he'd only have cost about $35 mil, which is about what Wentz got, and Dak is a much better QB than Wentz, as has been proven. Instead, Jerry procrastinated. One could argue we could have gotten a player like Max Jones in last year's draft, but then we'd miss out on a generational talent like what we have in Parsons. Oh, and we beat Mac Jones' Patriots, so round 1 to Dak on that anyway. As for the QBs you'd have to replace him with this draft, I can't think of a QB in this draft that would be better. So, if you were to get rid of Dak, as you want, then the earliest you can hope to try to find a replacement (which you seldom seem to understand that you have to replace the players that you lose....then again, Stephen Jones doesn't get that either) is maybe the 2024 draft, and that's if you're lucky. In essence, had we let Dak walk last year, we'd have likely tanked last season and this season because there wouldn't have been a Parsons if you go QB early last year, and there are no sufficient QBs this year, nor a Micah Parsons in this draft. So, holding on to Dak, as expensive as he is, makes sense because you at least have a QB you can win with and you're not going to completely suck with. This buys us time to get things in order with the oline and get the defence even better. So, that's where the keeping of Dak made sense to me last year. Let's not forget, our defence in 2020 was the worst in franchise history. There was no way we could go into that draft and ignore defence, especially early. Had our defence not been made of Swiss cheese, maybe we could've gone QB, but the fact of the matter is I think we'd rather poke our eyes out with a fork than watch that defencive display again.

what's the difference between not winning anything with dak and looking for a QB? nothing, we won nothing last year with him and will do the same this year more than likely, so I don't see the fear for looking for burrows, herbert or any other up and coming QB. why the fear?
Is division champ good enough.?

RustyBourneHorse · Mar 30, 2022

Captain-Crash said:
what's the difference between not winning anything with dak and looking for a QB? nothing, we won nothing last year with him and will do the same this year more than likely, so I don't see the fear for looking for burrows, herbert or any other up and coming QB. why the fear?
Is division champ good enough.?

We got to the playoff with a respectable record and a division title. That's better than going 5-12. My first few years watching this franchise was nothing but 5-11 and us not having a franchise QB at all. I don't want to go back to that endless search for a starting QB until we lucked into Romo. That's the other thing that I said last year and am saying again. Do you really think the FO is capable of drafting a Burrow or a Mahomes? They lucked into a UDFA deal with Romo (when he could've gone to Denver) and lucked into Dak falling in their lap with the 2nd of 2 4th round picks that year. Need I remind you that Jerry's ideas of a QB are Brandon Weeden (with a pretty spiral), Johnny Manziel, and Paxton Lynch? That's where I think Dak has extra value. He's saving Jerry from himself when it comes to his QB evaluation skills. Additionally, as said before, the QBs in this draft SUCK!! It's widely known this QB class is poor. So, the best thing is to wait a year, and that's another area Dak helps, until maybe next year or the year after when the class is better.

Captain-Crash · Mar 30, 2022

Furboy said:
We got to the playoff with a respectable record and a division title. That's better than going 5-12. My first few years watching this franchise was nothing but 5-11 and us not having a franchise QB at all. I don't want to go back to that endless search for a starting QB until we lucked into Romo. That's the other thing that I said last year and am saying again. Do you really think the FO is capable of drafting a Burrow or a Mahomes? They lucked into a UDFA deal with Romo (when he could've gone to Denver) and lucked into Dak falling in their lap with the 2nd of 2 4th round picks that year. Need I remind you that Jerry's ideas of a QB are Brandon Weeden (with a pretty spiral), Johnny Manziel, and Paxton Lynch? That's where I think Dak has extra value. He's saving Jerry from himself when it comes to his QB evaluation skills. Additionally, as said before, the QBs in this draft SUCK!! It's widely known this QB class is poor. So, the best thing is to wait a year, and that's another area Dak helps, until maybe next year or the year after when the class is better.

I'm sorry you have never seen a real cowboys team and quarterback.
maybe one day we will have another real quarterback, not this backup playing starter. he's brett Hundley, who can't run anymore.
one real question, where are we going to get all the talent to carry dak? he needs an elite offensive line and an elite defense, just saying.

RustyBourneHorse · Mar 30, 2022

Captain-Crash said:
I'm sorry you have never seen a real cowboys team and quarterback.
maybe one day we will have another real quarterback, not this backup playing starter. he's brett Hundley, who can't run anymore.
one real question, where are we going to get all the talent to carry dak? he needs an elite offensive line and an elite defense, just saying.

I don't think he needs an elite online, but he definitely, like pretty much any QB, needs a competent one that isn't committing loads of penalties. I just broke down she penalties that were committed a few posts ago. That isn't going to win you games no matter who your QB is. I think the biggest thing that will help is if our line will stop with the bloody penalties. I think the defence will be fine, especially if we can add one more pass rusher in the draft. However, the biggest thing is oline. I don't think comparing Dak to Hundley is fair. I'd say he's closer to a Randall Cunningham or a Donovan McNabb, which is who he was compared to in the draft. As someone who grew up in a family of Eagles fans and somehow became a Cowboys fan and a diehard one at that and my first memories of the Cowboys Eagles rivalry was McNabb owning us, I am fine with having a McNabb or a Randall Cunningham. You can go far with them. We should do for him what Philly did with McNabb early in his career and what the Vikings did with Cunningham. Let him use his legs to run the ball more, and quick throws are always a good choice for him. He's capable of the deep ball too, but use his legs like Philly used McNabb's legs. McNabb was less effective when he wasn't running as much. Same goes for Dak.

Why would Sean Payton want to come here?

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