CFZ My Dream NFL format

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I would reorganize the league into 1 company with each owner as a shareholder.

Then the league could unilaterally set salaries without breaking any collusion laws.

They would only need to keep the salaries high enough to prevent a new league from starting and signing away NFL starters.
then it would become a monopoly and there is different laws that would come into play.

it actually was raised as a legal concern, but it was dismissed because there are 32 businesses and its not a monopoly
 

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To me the best system would be no player can make more than 8-10% of the cap and no cap juggling, $$ hit is the year payed, I can't believe the rank and file allow so few players to get a majority of the cap $, that's not what a strong union does. It's crazy the way the system is set up currently.
why? its 32 teams with one goal in mind, win the superbowl. so if a player takes more than 10%, its the owners choice. they all have a cap and everybody obeys by the same rules of cap management.
 

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I agree, I don't like how the system is set up. No one player should take up 20% of your cap. Now the team is held hostage by that player. If that player has a bad season or gets injured then 20% of your resources are wasted.
why not? there are teams that win with a few players taking huge chunks of their cap....in the end, those who manage it better, put a good team together win a championship. this sounds like a rule for our incompetent owner.....its not an NFL issue. its a dallas issue
 

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Here's a novel idea:

1. Get rid of the Cap.
2. Get rid of "Market Value." The job is worth what I, as am employer, am willing to pay for the job to get done. What someone else is willing to pay is irrelevant to my business. Some teams will flourish - some will not. You know, kind of like the real world.
3. Get rid of inter-Conference play
4. The two best records in each conference playoff to see who goes to the Super Bowl.

No one wins a "Tournament" to be declared World Champions - they actually would be.
1- there was a time there was no cap. a few big market teams with more cash, hoarded players. the cap was put in to create competitiveness, which is basically what its done.

2- market value is the same in real world and in NFL. its what someone is willing to pay for your services. its the very definition of "market value". there is nobody who is sitting behind a desk, coming up with a market value. so your response is confusing.

3- why? the whole purpose is to allow other fans, teams cities see and play in each other's city.....every sport does it....not sure why that bothers you

4- just the two best records? really. why?
 

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why? its 32 teams with one goal in mind, win the superbowl. so if a player takes more than 10%, its the owners choice. they all have a cap and everybody obeys by the same rules of cap management.
Don't disagree that's how it's set up now, what person isn't taking the money, every time I negotiate my employment contract with my present employer or one trying to hire me money is the end objective. I just look at the players on the low end aren't getting a fair share because so few take up the bulk of the cap and that is what unions are designed to do make sure all employees benefit in the monies.
 

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Don't disagree that's how it's set up now, what person isn't taking the money, every time I negotiate my employment contract with my present employer or one trying to hire me money is the end objective. I just look at the players on the low end aren't getting a fair share because so few take up the bulk of the cap and that is what unions are designed to do make sure all employees benefit in the monies.
why do the low end players deserve any more than they are making today. realistically they can be replaced much easier, where a Brady or Rodgers isn't as easily replaced. its a league, that's set up for entertainment, that's their end product. and as a result, because it is entertainment its driven by a few stars and those stars make the most money. without supporting cast, the star can't do it all by himself, but like I said, the supporting cast is more easily replaced.

and the players have a union, the players union agreed to the current contract. and btw, those low level players benefit, because they are allocated minimum wage per NFL and as the league grows in popularity because of the stars, and makes more money in the progress, they make more money.
 

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I like the format but the main problem is that some stats are very misleading. For instance, a shutdown corrnerback is usually going to have very few passes thrown his way. How does he prove, by the stats system that his very few INTs actually mean he's really good, rather than very bad?
 

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Do away with the cap as it is. If you draft a player or find a udfa you sign them to whatever you want.

Have a free agent cap for players not on your team. Spend what you want on your own, but limited to x number of dollars for free agents.
 

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1- there was a time there was no cap. a few big market teams with more cash, hoarded players. the cap was put in to create competitiveness, which is basically what its done.

2- market value is the same in real world and in NFL. its what someone is willing to pay for your services. its the very definition of "market value". there is nobody who is sitting behind a desk, coming up with a market value. so your response is confusing.

3- why? the whole purpose is to allow other fans, teams cities see and play in each other's city.....every sport does it....not sure why that bothers you

4- just the two best records? really. why?

I completely understand the divisional structure for the playoffs - but it does nothing in many cases to determine the "best" team / organization for a season. No way a 9-7 Giants bunch was the better team or "World Champion" of the NFL vs the17-1 Patriots.

As far as market value - You're correct, what someone is willing to pay for your services. Where I disagree is the comparison of what another player has been able to negotiate being the "benchmark" for what that service is valued at. What another wide receiver can get from another team should not have an impact on what you can get from your team. That's between you and ownership. I'm obviously not a union guy and really don't like the revenue sharing the NFL engages in. If some of the lesser aggressive, smaller teams struggle - then so be it. Conversely, if there are teams will to go all in to build / produce / buy a winner - then so be that as well. In the 60s, teams were measured against the Packers, the 70s gave us the Steelers, the 80s the 49ers and the 90s Dallas. Today all we have is a constant revolving door and the opportunity to root for a set of uniforms.

It is what it is. Having seen both structures, I much prefer the former.
 

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every player makes a minimum wage.

Yes, based on position and years of service. Then performance based pay to determine the rest of their yearly pay. there are more than enough metrics now a days to accurately & fairly reward players for their contributions.

If backup RB has to play due to injury and puts up All Pro season, he should get rewarded accordingly.
 

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Other than changing the pay scale, the next thing on my list would be allowing players & teams to agree to go their separate ways. In short, if they can work out an amicable divorce wipe the slate clean & move on.
 

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All that needs to change is that player's salaries should count 100% against the cap if not drafted by that team and 80-90% against the cap if drafted by the team. Allow teams to keep the players they drafted that they want to keep. Put an emphasis on drafting well and developing and retaining those players instead of ever ballooning ridiculous salaries for a few players that wreck a team's cap and has a trickledown negative impact on other players.

I too have thought there should be some advantage for the team spending draft capital on the player.
 

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I completely understand the divisional structure for the playoffs - but it does nothing in many cases to determine the "best" team / organization for a season. No way a 9-7 Giants bunch was the better team or "World Champion" of the NFL vs the17-1 Patriots.

As far as market value - You're correct, what someone is willing to pay for your services. Where I disagree is the comparison of what another player has been able to negotiate being the "benchmark" for what that service is valued at. What another wide receiver can get from another team should not have an impact on what you can get from your team. That's between you and ownership. I'm obviously not a union guy and really don't like the revenue sharing the NFL engages in. If some of the lesser aggressive, smaller teams struggle - then so be it. Conversely, if there are teams will to go all in to build / produce / buy a winner - then so be that as well. In the 60s, teams were measured against the Packers, the 70s gave us the Steelers, the 80s the 49ers and the 90s Dallas. Today all we have is a constant revolving door and the opportunity to root for a set of uniforms.

It is what it is. Having seen both structures, I much prefer the former.
well, there is an argument to be made for a 9-7 team to be better. it all depends on the opponents you played, unless every team played every other team and then determine who is better that way...also, Giants had a lot of injuries that year, once they got healthy, they were a much better team. injuries impact how good a team is or is not (see 2020 when Dak went down or When Brady broke his leg, they had a winning record, but were third in their division and missed playoffs).

unfortunately in the NFL, the bench mark is often measured against the last contract for that position signed, vs. what the team thinks you rank compared to the person that got the contract. its not a value of the service necessarily. so T. Hill contract demand went up after Adams got his contract. so if Adams would have recieved similar contract to Hill, he may have still been with the Chiefs. however, teams have a line they are not willing to cross and Chiefs weren't willing to cross that line with HIll. its not a league standard, each team is different.

I think the revenue sharing actually has helped the NFL. otherwise a few big market teams dominate, the rich get richer and stronger and smaller market teams don't. however, the owners were smart, they knew that by making the league stronger they stand to make more money, the league becoming more popular and as a result the TV contracts get larger. by setting the cap and revenue sharing, it allowed each team the opportunity to compete, thus popularity soared. because more fans of each team were more interested more often and each small market team was also able to tap into the fringe fans when they were doing good, generating more interest.

that revenue sharing model, along with the cap helped make NFL the most popular sport in america.

with that said, there was always the contention of how much money should players make. the players wanted a piece of the pie, helping to grow the league. so the agreement is on a percentage of revenue. which kind of makes sense. it forces the players to go out and put out a good product. there is motivation in that. if there was no revenue sharing and no cap, then a few teams would dominate, pay really high salaries to a few players. a lot of good players wouldn't be able to play in those teams, because there is only so many positions and the players would be forced to play for less in smaller cities. where is the motivation in that?

I am not necessarily a union guy, but I think this model has worked really well for the NFL. the results are obvious. now, idiot GMs like ours aren't able to put out a quality product is another issue. has nothing to do with the model. it has to do with the FO idiocy. no amount of money could fix that.
 

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Gregory is a good player. Smoke a Lil weed and get after the QB. Tackles few lineman on the way.
 

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well, there is an argument to be made for a 9-7 team to be better. it all depends on the opponents you played, unless every team played every other team and then determine who is better that way...also, Giants had a lot of injuries that year, once they got healthy, they were a much better team. injuries impact how good a team is or is not (see 2020 when Dak went down or When Brady broke his leg, they had a winning record, but were third in their division and missed playoffs).

unfortunately in the NFL, the bench mark is often measured against the last contract for that position signed, vs. what the team thinks you rank compared to the person that got the contract. its not a value of the service necessarily. so T. Hill contract demand went up after Adams got his contract. so if Adams would have recieved similar contract to Hill, he may have still been with the Chiefs. however, teams have a line they are not willing to cross and Chiefs weren't willing to cross that line with HIll. its not a league standard, each team is different.

I think the revenue sharing actually has helped the NFL. otherwise a few big market teams dominate, the rich get richer and stronger and smaller market teams don't. however, the owners were smart, they knew that by making the league stronger they stand to make more money, the league becoming more popular and as a result the TV contracts get larger. by setting the cap and revenue sharing, it allowed each team the opportunity to compete, thus popularity soared. because more fans of each team were more interested more often and each small market team was also able to tap into the fringe fans when they were doing good, generating more interest.

that revenue sharing model, along with the cap helped make NFL the most popular sport in america.

with that said, there was always the contention of how much money should players make. the players wanted a piece of the pie, helping to grow the league. so the agreement is on a percentage of revenue. which kind of makes sense. it forces the players to go out and put out a good product. there is motivation in that. if there was no revenue sharing and no cap, then a few teams would dominate, pay really high salaries to a few players. a lot of good players wouldn't be able to play in those teams, because there is only so many positions and the players would be forced to play for less in smaller cities. where is the motivation in that?

I am not necessarily a union guy, but I think this model has worked really well for the NFL. the results are obvious. now, idiot GMs like ours aren't able to put out a quality product is another issue. has nothing to do with the model. it has to do with the FO idiocy. no amount of money could fix that.

I appreciate your insight and do not disagree with the bulk of your perspective. One thing we might find common ground on (besides our "idiot owner"), is that it is frustrating to see players land a big payday and then we watch as their priorities and production on the field disintegrates. Dallas seems to have more of their share in that department (back to the idiot owner), but I'd like to see more of a player's insane money tied to performance going forward. Of course then, the NFLPU screams bloody murder at that point.
 

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I appreciate your insight and do not disagree with the bulk of your perspective. One thing we might find common ground on (besides our "idiot owner"), is that it is frustrating to see players land a big payday and then we watch as their priorities and production on the field disintegrates. Dallas seems to have more of their share in that department (back to the idiot owner), but I'd like to see more of a player's insane money tied to performance going forward. Of course then, the NFLPU screams bloody murder at that point.
it should, I like to see that too, but I can see both sides of the debate. what about Injury, given NFL is a violent sport and injuries are common. if I can't play is it my fault? what about my performance tied to my output...perhaps a way to say if you are injured you get paid X amount of your performance..

and then it has to be agreed upon by player union and NFL owners. all it would take is one NFL to dissend and pay a guy without a performance clause and then they all have to do the same in order to land players. if they all decide behind close doors not to pay, then its collusion and a legal issue. I doubt if Player union would agree, but there is no reason it can't be on the table as one of the items to negotiate
 

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All that needs to change is that player's salaries should count 100% against the cap if not drafted by that team and 80-90% against the cap if drafted by the team. Allow teams to keep the players they drafted that they want to keep. Put an emphasis on drafting well and developing and retaining those players instead of ever ballooning ridiculous salaries for a few players that wreck a team's cap and has a trickledown negative impact on other players.
That’s an interesting idea
I’ve always thought you should have some kind of cap discount for a player you drafted
I agree it encourages drafting and developing players
 
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