What chance does this offense have against the Rams?

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bbailey423 said:
Joe Burrow says injury sminjury

And if Cee Dee Lamb has proven he is our #1....Lord help us.

I bleed silver and blue. Would love nothing more than to be wrong about Dak, Cee Dee etc....but if a 27 year sample size makes me easy prey for you....I've got some swamp land in Florida for sale...you seem like the ideal buyer
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Ceedee was #1 on the Cowboys in 3 out of 4 receiving categories last year so you already lost that one.

Dak is healthy and has a full offseason to throw with his receivers, you lost that one too. What other laughable comments did you make?
 
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75boyz said:
If the offense cannot figure out a running game to keep the defense honest, this offense will fail.

It won't matter if it's the Rams or just any decent defense.

Things will stay the same of succeeding against poor opponents and failing when forced to pass to beat better teams.

That is who this team is.
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Its about fixing the Oline. That will fix both problems.
 
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Dallas going 6-0 against 3 crap teams = N.E. going 6-0 against 3 crap teams

THAT’S the only thing I’m talking about. You can’t win OR lose playoff games if you don’t even make it!
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Point taken and accepted, but...what we do know now is that along the way of mowing through a weak division someway, somehow the Patriots got themselves ready for what really matters.

Being great at the end of the season, and being great in the post season.

This debate is pointless if all you can do is just fight for a spot in the playoffs. The real genius is to be able to get into the tournament with the very best fighting team you can put together.

You don't have to be the most talented. You don't have to be the least injured. Although that does help.

You just have to be the team that is the most competitive and disciplined of the bunch. No one in the playoffs will out hustle you, and you won't kill your chances to put yourself in a good place to win games with poor discipline.

The talent gap is so narrow that typically it is the small things in the game that cumulatively makes the overall difference.
 
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Its about fixing the Oline. That will fix both problems.
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The oline is not fixing itself by the drafting of the next Zack Martin at LG. It ain't happening. Smith ain't playing 17 games. It ain't happening.

Joe Burrow came off a torn up knee was sacked 51 times in the regular season, another 19 in the playoffs and SB and was only a couple plays away from his own Lombardi. Dak ain't that.

Dak needs a LOT more than O line help in order to carry him than what can be accomplished this offseason.

Will be interesting to see Cee Dee be the WR1 while waiting on Gallup and even when Gallup returns.

While Zeke's another year older and Coach Jones still makes sure he gets the bell cow number of carries over Pollard.

But yeah Mahommes had 5 new starters take over last year from his failed 2020 o line group. And he managed to lead his team to the AFCCG.

So, all Dak's gotta do is play like Burrow did behind a terrible o-line or like Mahommes did behind 5 new starters in one off season.

Surely Dak Prescott can do that if those 2 guys proved it don't take a dominant o line.
 
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Point taken and accepted, but...what we do know now is that along the way of mowing through a weak division someway, somehow the Patriots got themselves ready for what really matters.

Being great at the end of the season, and being great in the post season.

This debate is pointless if all you can do is just fight for a spot in the playoffs. The real genius is to be able to get into the tournament with the very best fighting team you can put together.

You don't have to be the most talented. You don't have to be the least injured. Although that does help.

You just have to be the team that is the most competitive and disciplined of the bunch. No one in the playoffs will out hustle you, and you won't kill your chances to put yourself in a good place to win games with poor discipline.

The talent gap is so narrow that typically it is the small things in the game that cumulatively makes the overall difference.
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I concur! Being great at the end of the season counts the most. That said, it doesn’t matter if you don’t make it there.

Fingers crossed!
 
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The oline is not fixing itself by the drafting of the next Zack Martin at LG. It ain't happening. Smith ain't playing 17 games. It ain't happening.

Joe Burrow came off a torn up knee was sacked 51 times in the regular season, another 19 in the playoffs and SB and was only a couple plays away from his own Lombardi. Dak ain't that.

Dak needs a LOT more than O line help in order to carry him than what can be accomplished this offseason.

Will be interesting to see Cee Dee be the WR1 while waiting on Gallup and even when Gallup returns.

While Zeke's another year older and Coach Jones still makes sure he gets the bell cow number of carries over Pollard.

But yeah Mahommes had 5 new starters take over last year from his failed 2020 o line group. And he managed to lead his team to the AFCCG.

So, all Dak's gotta do is play like Burrow did behind a terrible o-line or like Mahommes did behind 5 new starters in one off season.

Surely Dak Prescott can do that if those 2 guys proved it don't take a dominant o line.
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Dak aint what? For 3 quarters of the season Burrows was leading the NFL in picks.

Love Burrows, but he was carried by his defense for the most part during the playoffs. Fixing the Oline will probably take this year and next year at least if they do things right. But drafting a stud guard to replace Williams will be a great start. Getting a good blocking TE will also help.

Mahomes by the way lost a few lineman in the playoffs two years ago and couldnt even score a TD in the SB. Replacing 5 lineman was no joke and it was done right. Two of them were already on the team and were just hurt. One was a pro bowl LT that they traded for. Now if Jones was as capable a GM it might take one year. But we all know that isnt happening.

And last time I checked both Burrows and Mahomes lost recently in the SB. So obviously whatever they had or didnt have wasn't enough.

Oline is the key to a great offense. All you would have to do is watch the Dallas Cowboys over the last 5 years to understand what happens with a great Oline and a hurt one.
 
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bbailey423 said:
Joe Burrow says injury sminjury

And if Cee Dee Lamb has proven he is our #1....Lord help us.

I bleed silver and blue. Would love nothing more than to be wrong about Dak, Cee Dee etc....but if a 27 year sample size makes me easy prey for you....I've got some swamp land in Florida for sale...you seem like the ideal buyer
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You are absolutely right....you cannot have steak at every position. But you do need steak at some...especially when your Head Coach is not "steak". And I would argue the only steak we have are Parsons and Martin. With Diggs trending in the right direction and Cee Dee being a "wait and see". Not sure how he will fare now that he will be the WR teams will try to "key on".
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You mean how will Ceedee be now that he gets more opportunities? I can give you a hint of the answer if you really need it.

You want the statistics on Dak being a steak as well?

So Diggs getting 11 picks last year you call "trending"?

I think its safe to say you struggle with analysis.
 
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bbailey423 said:
  • A QB that I project to be the same
  • The TE position I project to be the same
  • A RB group that got WORSE (you don't get better at this position by getting older)
  • A WR corps that got WORSE (you don't get better by releasing your best WR and replacing him with and UNPROVEN Cee Dee Lamb and a WR that will not even be ready to start the season)
  • An OL that got WORSE - Tyron Smith is NOT getting better. I hope Martin stays the same. The LG is vacant. Our starting C is a backup. And the RT is average with his ceiling being "above average" (notice I did not say good, great, or excellent).
We played a NFC West team in the playoffs...and it was not even close. When you think about how EASILY we beat up on the NFC East...and contrast that with how EASILY we were beaten by a team from the NFC West...a team that is not even the best team from the NFC West...beaten in our own stadium...what is there to be optimistic about? Our amount of cap room? The amount of mid-round picks we are piling up? How on earth does the Jones family expect us to maintain any respect for them. Or how many times do they have to tell us "we don't care" before we start believing them?!?!?!?!
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Let me explain it to you with one picture. This is the only thing the Jones are concerned about. Tickets went up 20% during the offseason!

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bbailey423 said:
Well...one team has been in 2 super bowls in the last 4 years...the other team has not been to a super bowl in the last 27 years. So you are wrong...there is not a good possibility we will not see them in the postseason...there is a GREAT possibility we will not see them in the postseason.
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Fair enough. The way the playoffs are set up now, though, they could be the team that eliminates us in the first round. However, considering our tendency to only make the playoffs in years where we face a last-place schedule, you are probably right.
 

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bbailey423 said:
  • A QB that I project to be the same
  • The TE position I project to be the same
  • A RB group that got WORSE (you don't get better at this position by getting older)
  • A WR corps that got WORSE (you don't get better by releasing your best WR and replacing him with and UNPROVEN Cee Dee Lamb and a WR that will not even be ready to start the season)
  • An OL that got WORSE - Tyron Smith is NOT getting better. I hope Martin stays the same. The LG is vacant. Our starting C is a backup. And the RT is average with his ceiling being "above average" (notice I did not say good, great, or excellent).
We played a NFC West team in the playoffs...and it was not even close. When you think about how EASILY we beat up on the NFC East...and contrast that with how EASILY we were beaten by a team from the NFC West...a team that is not even the best team from the NFC West...beaten in our own stadium...what is there to be optimistic about? Our amount of cap room? The amount of mid-round picks we are piling up? How on earth does the Jones family expect us to maintain any respect for them. Or how many times do they have to tell us "we don't care" before we start believing them?!?!?!?!
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Setting the stage to fire Mike
 

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CowboyRoy said:
Ceedee was #1 on the Cowboys in 3 out of 4 receiving categories last year so you already lost that one.

Dak is healthy and has a full offseason to throw with his receivers, you lost that one too. What other laughable comments did you make?
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CD is just not that good, he drops way tomany
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Just your first analysis that Dak will be the same shows a complete lack of analysis.

last year he came off major surgery and couldn’t even throw until late in TC. He’s now a year removed from the leg injury and will get a full offseason to throw and get in tune with his pass catchers.

your analysis is completely wrong.

then the fact that you make bold claims before the draft or FA is finished shows another complete lack of understanding.
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I have absolutely no faith in Dak anymore its been 7 years now
 
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Dak aint what? For 3 quarters of the season Burrows was leading the NFL in picks.

Love Burrows, but he was carried by his defense for the most part during the playoffs. Fixing the Oline will probably take this year and next year at least if they do things right. But drafting a stud guard to replace Williams will be a great start. Getting a good blocking TE will also help.

Mahomes by the way lost a few lineman in the playoffs two years ago and couldnt even score a TD in the SB. Replacing 5 lineman was no joke and it was done right. Two of them were already on the team and were just hurt. One was a pro bowl LT that they traded for. Now if Jones was as capable a GM it might take one year. But we all know that isnt happening.

And last time I checked both Burrows and Mahomes lost recently in the SB. So obviously whatever they had or didnt have wasn't enough.

Oline is the key to a great offense. All you would have to do is watch the Dallas Cowboys over the last 5 years to understand what happens with a great Oline and a hurt one.
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I think they should be able to get the o line just good enough for this QB to win with within 3 years if the picks are high enough and the players selected are good enough , so then they can write the QB another well deserved contract.

You are so right.

The future is bright and De Nial ain't just a river in Egypt too.

As Bill Murray smashes his alarm clock again.

Cowboys!
 

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CowboyRoy said:
Ceedee was #1 on the Cowboys in 3 out of 4 receiving categories last year so you already lost that one.

Dak is healthy and has a full offseason to throw with his receivers, you lost that one too. What other laughable comments did you make?
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Did you just start watching football in the past 5 years?

Every WR benefits from having a talented WR opposite them. Who is that for Cee Dee next year?

And if 79 catches , 1100 yards and 6 TDs....IN A PASSING ERA....constitutes #1 WR....again when did you start watching football?

Dak is healthy and has a full offseason to throw to his WRs? Wake up! Dak is who he is. Good to very good, but not great. Another summer of throwing to his WRs won't change that. I like Dak. But he was a 4th round pick for a REASON. His arm talent (arm strength and accuracy) is slightly above average. He is limited due to this. Dak is a gamer. Dak is a leader. But he does not have the talent to elevate under talented teams. Nothing wrong with that. Plenty of guys like that through the history of the NFL. But you really should let go of this notion that a healthy offseason means Dak will become someone he has NEVER been over night.
 
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You mean how will Ceedee be now that he gets more opportunities? I can give you a hint of the answer if you really need it.

You want the statistics on Dak being a steak as well?

So Diggs getting 11 picks last year you call "trending"?

I think its safe to say you struggle with analysis.
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Love Diggs. But he was feast or famine. He is trending because I think he has to become more consistent to be considered elite. I would take him completely shutting down his side of the field....even if it meant his 11 picks drop to 7. Elite CBs don't even get thrown on enough to get 11 picks.

And miss me with Dak and stats. I swear you don't watch the games. I think you just read the boxscore. I've seen your kind before.
 
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Ask me in five months, I don't know what our offensive depth chart will be week 1?
 
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IMHO, Dak is 10-15 talent wise, 5-10 as a leader. We need another WR opposite Lamb. especially early without Gallup. Washington is a decent #3, but will take a few games to acclimate. IF we can do that, find a LG, improve defensively AND stay relatively healthy, we CAN advance further than 2021.

Can we at least wait until TC before we resign ourselves to complete failure? Enjoy the ride!
 
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bbailey423 said:
Did you just start watching football in the past 5 years?

Every WR benefits from having a talented WR opposite them. Who is that for Cee Dee next year?

And if 79 catches , 1100 yards and 6 TDs....IN A PASSING ERA....constitutes #1 WR....again when did you start watching football?

Dak is healthy and has a full offseason to throw to his WRs? Wake up! Dak is who he is. Good to very good, but not great. Another summer of throwing to his WRs won't change that. I like Dak. But he was a 4th round pick for a REASON. His arm talent (arm strength and accuracy) is slightly above average. He is limited due to this. Dak is a gamer. Dak is a leader. But he does not have the talent to elevate under talented teams. Nothing wrong with that. Plenty of guys like that through the history of the NFL. But you really should let go of this notion that a healthy offseason means Dak will become someone he has NEVER been over night.
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Blame hot potato ever shifting for Tad and company bro.

It's the oline's health turn.
Moore will get his chance to be blamed as well.
And I believe the Dak needs a full offseason healthy and not rehabbing is in the on-deck circle.

Stay tuned.
 

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bbailey423 said:
  • A QB that I project to be the same
  • The TE position I project to be the same
  • A RB group that got WORSE (you don't get better at this position by getting older)
  • A WR corps that got WORSE (you don't get better by releasing your best WR and replacing him with and UNPROVEN Cee Dee Lamb and a WR that will not even be ready to start the season)
  • An OL that got WORSE - Tyron Smith is NOT getting better. I hope Martin stays the same. The LG is vacant. Our starting C is a backup. And the RT is average with his ceiling being "above average" (notice I did not say good, great, or excellent).
We played a NFC West team in the playoffs...and it was not even close. When you think about how EASILY we beat up on the NFC East...and contrast that with how EASILY we were beaten by a team from the NFC West...a team that is not even the best team from the NFC West...beaten in our own stadium...what is there to be optimistic about? Our amount of cap room? The amount of mid-round picks we are piling up? How on earth does the Jones family expect us to maintain any respect for them. Or how many times do they have to tell us "we don't care" before we start believing them?!?!?!?!
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but, look at how much money Jerry and Stephen made and how much more is the franchise worth....huh? huh?, come one isn't that what its all about :eek:
 
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People need to understand that winning a SB isn’t a priority for Jerry. Rather it’s easier to have sales driven entirely by PR hype. Make some noise in the season have people talking about the Cowboys. Contending for super bowls is very hard. Bull**** driven PR is easy.
 
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