WR looks to be a disaster

This organization loves disasters. There’s been some disaster every year for the past twenty six years and counting. I expect disasters more than something positive all the time. Cowboys management is a quid pro quo reinforcer of pessimism.

Mannix said:

Am I alone here? While I was in favor of letting Cooper go, I was not in favor of paying 11M for a Tweener TE while Buffalo signed OJ Howard for 3M....letting our best route runner left on the team walk off to Miami for a salary that was very workable....resigning Noah Brown for a SIXTH season of sucking...but, but, but, he can block....sorry, I forgot. I'm guessing Turner didn't have the goods on Booger like Brown does. Wasting money on James Washington, when you could have signed Allen Robinson. Sorry, but Cee Dee is a #2 at best, and Gallup is a #2 on a great day....both CANNOT be depended on to show up every week...Schultz cannot be depended on to do anything but pick up 7-8 yards in soft zones, and provide Duk Pratfall some security when panicked. These receivers are going to really expose Duk, and make us long for the days of Tony...a 3-5 road record looks like a pipe dream....9-8 overall. The sad thing, is that it didn't have to be like this....Deez Nutz to both Booger and Chuckles....when is someone in the media going to seriously challenge them face to face about the last 26 years? What gutless media we have!!!

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OJ Howard sucks. lets just come to that conclusion. he is a JAG, or maybe just half a notch above a JAG. its a name, drafted high and subsequently relegated to 3rd stringer on his team. Schultz is head and shoulders above Howard. I think the TE market forced Dallas' hand given 3 TEs were tagged and all three had similar results, in fact Schultz having been better than all the others. is he a franchise player? no, but losing cooper, wilson, schultz would be very hard to overcome. now, we had some depth at WR, but no depth at TE and please don't go there with McKeon as he is more Jarwin than anything else.

and yes, I agree, our strength, in WR and its depth turned into a weakness. I assumed if we let cooper go, we keep wilson after all he was one of our own that developed over several years and was producing at high level. gallup+ wilson would have given us good depth and skill and continued as a strength. I was highly disappointed we let wilson walk for that kind of money.

blame Jerry and Stephen for how they mismanaged this off season

CowboysFaninHouston said:

OJ Howard sucks. lets just come to that conclusion. he is a JAG, or maybe just half a notch above a JAG. its a name, drafted high and subsequently relegated to 3rd stringer on his team. Schultz is head and shoulders above Howard. I think the TE market forced Dallas' hand given 3 TEs were tagged and all three had similar results, in fact Schultz having been better than all the others. is he a franchise player? no, but losing cooper, wilson, schultz would be very hard to overcome. now, we had some depth at WR, but no depth at TE and please don't go there with McKeon as he is more Jarwin than anything else.

and yes, I agree, our strength, in WR and its depth turned into a weakness. I assumed if we let cooper go, we keep wilson after all he was one of our own that developed over several years and was producing at high level. gallup+ wilson would have given us good depth and skill and continued as a strength. I was highly disappointed we let wilson walk for that kind of money.

blame Jerry and Stephen for how they mismanaged this off season

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Wilson isn't worth $7 million a season. His production is low for the number of years he was here, I imagine we'll get a 7th at best in compensation for him. Maybe not even that since we replaced him with James Washington.

morasp said:

fix the running game and pass protection the rest will follow.

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Spot on.....any discussion about WR position looking worse on paper (or needing to draft a WR in the first) is totally overlooking that our passing game hardly 'clicked' when we had Coop who's one of the best route runners in the league.....

I keep going back to the Jimmie Ward quote about the 49ers stopping our running game and relying on Dak to beat them. If you stop our running game and can pressure with 4 then nobody is going to work against the remaining secondary cover.

One WR isnt going to change that, however, a running game developed through an improved O-Line improves both facets of the offense.

Jipper said:

it has to start some time

it has to start somewhere

What better place than here

what better time then 2022!

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UH!

YEAH!

CAN'T STOP US NOW!

Mannix said:

Am I alone here? While I was in favor of letting Cooper go, I was not in favor of paying 11M for a Tweener TE while Buffalo signed OJ Howard for 3M....letting our best route runner left on the team walk off to Miami for a salary that was very workable....resigning Noah Brown for a SIXTH season of sucking...but, but, but, he can block....sorry, I forgot. I'm guessing Turner didn't have the goods on Booger like Brown does. Wasting money on James Washington, when you could have signed Allen Robinson. Sorry, but Cee Dee is a #2 at best, and Gallup is a #2 on a great day....both CANNOT be depended on to show up every week...Schultz cannot be depended on to do anything but pick up 7-8 yards in soft zones, and provide Duk Pratfall some security when panicked. These receivers are going to really expose Duk, and make us long for the days of Tony...a 3-5 road record looks like a pipe dream....9-8 overall. The sad thing, is that it didn't have to be like this....Deez Nutz to both Booger and Chuckles....when is someone in the media going to seriously challenge them face to face about the last 26 years? What gutless media we have!!!

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if you think that change your name to MANIC that what using the word disaster for our WR core is, mentally ill person would see it that way.,.,CD is a 1 will he be game changer from the 1 spot who knows if you think AC was , let me know how many of these games he dominated and was thew reason awe won.

I say Lamb, Gallup, and Washington plus Schultz and then add a draft pick and possible late signed vet will give us a solid receiving core.

disaster seriously we have a core already where some teams like GB and KC gave up elite receivers and GB has none zero targets right now that i know about two of their top wrs are gone.

its 6 months before game 1, no ones panicking but manic fans some of you are just hopeless overactive Debbie downer types that just so nothing but whine and moan..sky is falling put your helmet on,lmao

DFWJC said:

Lamb (the leading receiver last year)
Gallop
Washington
And a rookie

Itll be a better group than half the league, just not top 3 like they were assumed to be preseason last year.

Add in a very solid receiver in Shultz and you have a group that should be fine

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100%

blueblood70 said:

if you think that change your name to MANIC that what using the word disaster for our WR core is, mentally ill person would see it that way.,.,CD is a 1 will he be game changer from the 1 spot who knows if you think AC was , let me know how many of these games he dominated and was thew reason awe won.

I say Lamb, Gallup, and Washington plus Schultz and then add a draft pick and possible late signed vet will give us a solid receiving core.

disaster seriously we have a core already where some teams like GB and KC gave up elite receivers and GB has none zero targets right now that i know about two of their top wrs are gone.

its 6 months before game 1, no ones panicking but manic fans some of you are just hopeless overactive Debbie downer types that just so nothing but whine and moan..sky is falling put your helmet on,lmao

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You have more faith in Lamb than I do, while he is good no doubt, he is better suited as a number 2 receiver not number one. He is not nearly as good as Cooper on route running and while he is 6'2" but because he is 189lbs he gets out muscled allot and cant make the catch.

Remember 2018 before the Cooper trade? That's when the front office thought we would be fine with a bunch of JAGS. Little did they know, assembling a bunch of JAGS can't replace a true #1 receiver. Now, we don't seem to have a #1 on the roster again and just like 2018 the front office doesn't seem to care.

cityochamps said:

You have more faith in Lamb than I do, while he is good no doubt, he is better suited as a number 2 receiver not number one. He is not nearly as good as Cooper on route running and while he is 6'2" but gets out muscled allot and cant make the catch because he is only 189 LBS

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Well I doubt we drafted him to be a WR2 and im sure that he wants to be paid as a WR1 when he's a fa in 2025. He needs to step up and prove it now, otherwise make that decision earlier rather than later. Holding onto our players and not pushing them is the very reason we fall into the overpaying for underachieving "our guys".

CATCH17 said:

Dallas is taking the year off and the run game is their only hope anyways because the QB will ultimately go into a shell against good teams.

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Bahahaha

black label said:

lamb is a 1 rofl

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If he’s not a #1, then he’s a bust because it would have been stupid to draft him where we did in the face of other needs just to get a #2 wideout we can get later in the draft.

Question for all.....

If according to most, our QB has trouble running through progessions, isn't it a waste to be 4-5 deep with studs at WR?

Wouldn't you figure we'd better improve the run game?

I'm sure there valid points on each end of that one.

Chuck 54 said:

If he’s not a #1, then he’s a bust because it would have been stupid to draft him where we did in the face of other needs just to get a #2 wideout we can get later in the draft.

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Exactly.

He has played well, just has dropped too many...and people remember those.

Probably got a little too full of himself a little too soon as well.

He can work on those things. I have faith in him and think he will emerge as a fine #1.

He has a world of talent and seems to want to win. Just a matter of how much the Jerry culture infects him into wanting to be a brand without winning a thing.

Batman1980 said:

Wilson isn't worth $7 million a season. His production is low for the number of years he was here, I imagine we'll get a 7th at best in compensation for him. Maybe not even that since we replaced him with James Washington.

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Wilson did not get near enough snaps to say that about him...he was a deep ball threat had they been smart enough to try that more....ANY snaps that Brown was stealing from him were wasted snaps. Plus, Duk trusted him which means volumes for someone with his fragile psyche.

fivetwos said:

Question for all.....

If according to most, our QB has trouble running through progessions, isn't it a waste to be 4-5 deep with studs at WR?

Wouldn't you figure we'd better improve the run game?

I'm sure there valid points on each end of that one.

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Well yes, but the jury's still out on whether part of the problem is KM being over complicated and over thinking ways of getting receivers open.

If you told me I had to put money on it i'd say that stats indicate Dak's not comfortable (or confident) in throwing into coverage and KM over compensates to devise decoys to open up the WR3/4 and TE. It could be that Dak doesn't even look WR1 or 2 a lot of the plays and this would support the WR by designed committee rather than a go to guy.

First things first. They need to shore up the offensive line. I think OL makes me more uneasy than the WRs group - not that I am satisfied with our receivers and TEs. But at this point we do not have a workable LG. We can talk about moving this guy or that guy to LG but at this point they are unknowns. I am still unconvinced Steele is the guy for RT too. They say he works hard and does all the right things. That is comforting but his pass protection needs improvement.

I understand they can draft a LG in the 2nd round or 3rd round, but why should we be confident they can find a LG in the 3rd round? That's where they drafted McGovern. Even picking one in the 2nd round (at 56) will leave us wondering. To me they have no choice but to use their first pick on a LG. But what if there isn't one available worth a first round pick? Maybe they trade up in round 2? But I don't think they have the draft capital to trade up. Maybe they could have used Collins in a trade to move up in the 2nd had they kept him.

In any case we are also uncertain about swing tackle. I hear talk about Josh Ball, but we have not seen him practice or play a down. Why are we so confident he is the guy?

At the end of the day if the OL does not protect Dak the WRs won't matter that much.

But I do agree the WRs are not as good as the group we had last year. Obviously CeeDee and Gallup are the same guys we had last year and both are good, but Washington is not anywhere near as good as Cooper. I was not a fan of Cooper because of his laid back play on the field but he is an excellent WR. As with any position I am never married to a player but if you let one guy go, in most cases you have to replace him with another player who is equal or better than the guy you lost. That is how the team gets better. The Cowboys have not done that at WR. And if they use their first round pick on a WR then they run the risk of not getting the OL fixed.

cityochamps said:

You have more faith in Lamb than I do, while he is good no doubt, he is better suited as a number 2 receiver not number one. He is not nearly as good as Cooper on route running and while he is 6'2" but because he is 189lbs he gets out muscled allot and cant make the catch.

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sorry but i disagree many wrs lamb size or even much smaller have no issues being a #1 AND succeeding in the nfl that 00redicluols point..the dude return punts for god sakes but hes too small? he was dynamic #1 in OK and was our leading WR last year and what exactly has coop done in his career that dynamic that even hovered around elite? his years while good are not that impressive, especially in TDs etc he s good no doubt borderline great at times but AC hasnt even been as good as say Dez here at least dez had 3 straight flat out elite years and some Morons here said he was all 50/50 balls with no route running ability which umm also were worng, was he AC route running, no but one thing he was was a playmaker and his 3 year run was one of the best ever for an NFL Wr..since when has AC ever done that..hes an underachiever who does just enough to be considered a #1..he never touched one of 3 of Dez top years and he did it 3 straight years. Lamb can easily replace AC..

not one thing over seen in Ceedee says he cant be #1.. i mean people say he dropped too many i showed he didn't, 4 drops all year is way way way at the bottom of the league. means hes not a dropper, his 13.9 YPC says hes not just a short pass yac guy, his 79-1109 says hes a 1. how good can he be that will be determined now that he will likely get doubled or see the #1 corners but i believe he will be fine.

now back to having Lamb, Gallup, Washington and Schultz and calling that disaster LMAO>.the OP needs to cut down on p[arty favors. A disaster!! yet the draft isn't here yet and the roster not set..SMH

Mannix said:

Wilson did not get near enough snaps to say that about him...he was a deep ball threat had they been smart enough to try that more....ANY snaps that Brown was stealing from him were wasted snaps. Plus, Duk trusted him which means volumes for someone with his fragile psyche.

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I like Wilson a lot. Wanted to keep but not at that number.

I dont at ALL see why Miami wanted him with Waddle, Hill and Gesicki and Tua trying to shot put the ball to them....I don't see Wilson with numbers to support the salary.

Maybe they want him at QB lol. He may be the best one they have.

Streetwise said:

Bahahaha

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It's a bit over the top but there is some truth in what he's said. Dak has come up small in some pretty big games, especially recently. Can we hope that it was his injury issues last year that was the problem and that if healthy, he'll be fine?