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thunderpimp91 said:
But why restructure Daks contract this offseason then? Instead of carrying over the saved money, why not just pay him this year and not have to worry about adding money to future years? Is it just because rollover helps in 2023 whereas most of the Dak restructure impacts further down the road? Is the rollover money capped or can teams take it all with them? Honest questions as I admittedly understand a small piece of how the actual cap works.
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I completely don't disagree.

What I can tell you is that I definitely don't know about creating future dead money vs the benefit of a carry over situation....as it pertains to the cap rules.

But I stand by what I said as far as why they created the room.

Here's a bit of likelihood.....

Secret sauce = getting players to come here for a steal.

They have been pretty awful at that......
 
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Hawkeye0202 said:
Just me and I've said this before.....bringing Coop back was NOT an option. He apparently rubbed Jerry and Stephen the wrong way.......they wanted him gone. Think about it, no doubt Stephen knows he could have restructured Coop, saved cap space, and still had the player but he was done here.
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And a good chunk of the evidence suggests you are correct. Still seems odd that Cooper is where they draw the line after Greg Hardy, T.O., Pacman, Randy Gregory, etc.
 
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jazzcat22 said:
So fans go from whining about being too far over the cap (as if it was their money), and now are whining about being under the cap (since it is not their money).
And yes it is mostly the same fans.

Fickle whiny fans. :lmao2:
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Jazzcat22 approves of this waste of money.

Why?

Because COWBOYS!!!
 
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fivetwos said:
I don't see why this is so difficult to see.

They want to have a few bucks available in case a 7-8 million a year player wants to sign for 1/2-3.

They need to sign a draft class and the rest can be carried forward....as we constantly make Prescotts 40 million count only for 20 as of now.
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1. What $7-8M player are we signing?

2. Every team in the league, cap strapped or not will be able to sign their draft picks.
 
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CalPolyTechnique said:
1. What $7-8M player are we signing?

2. Every team in the league, cap strapped or not will be able to sign their draft picks.
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Oh man I'm just guessing....

If I thought about it more, the move the needle in the slightest dudes are probably already off the board.

A trade aside, yep that's fair to ask....but the answer is likely five Brent Urbans related.
 
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thunderpimp91 said:
And a good chunk of the evidence suggests you are correct. Still seems odd that Cooper is where they draw the line after Greg Hardy, T.O., Pacman, Randy Gregory, etc.
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Yea but all those players were knuckleheads, damn good talent but knuckleheads. Coop on the hand was just the opposite but in an arrogant way ( chess players, studied different personalities ). In other words, he strikes me as a guy who always believes he's the smartest person in the conversation. But we should have known the day Jerry called him selfish for missing games coz he wasn't vaxx, he was done. It's rare Jerry ever calls out one of his players in public.......hell, I can't think of another player he went after that hard.
 
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This FO doesn't seem to value stopping the run at the line. No 1T and no beefy ML on the horizon. Are these guys that dumb?
 
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thunderpimp91 said:
I agree with part of what you are saying, but given their current cap space if they don't plan on making any additional major moves they could have kept Coop for this year and unloaded him next offseason. So instead of dumping coop for a 5th round pick they in theory could have kept him for 2022, used him in whatever role they wanted and probably got more for him next year once more of his guaranteed money in his contract was paid off.
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Fair thought but you don't know everything there is to know. There may be important details beyond his salary that made him addition by subtraction. He certainly was not producing up to his contract and if I had spent last season writing him those big checks and then watching him disappear, for whatever reason, on Sundays, I'd want him gone to. Especially if I was privy to information inside the lockeroom.
 
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thunderpimp91 said:
And a good chunk of the evidence suggests you are correct. Still seems odd that Cooper is where they draw the line after Greg Hardy, T.O., Pacman, Randy Gregory, etc.
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He not here because of 2 things,the failed test and talking bad about dp...imo
 
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DakPresgoat said:
They need more cap space so they can resign their own guys in the next couple of years.

so they can then cut them 2 years later.


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Exactly, lol.
The thing is the 3 major losses (Cooper, Collins and Gregory), did not create any cap space.
Coop is costing us 6 mil this year, yet he's playing for the Browns for less than 5. We could have restructured and got his numer down to very close to the 6 mil he is costing us in dead cap. Same with Collins. we will take a dead cap hit once we officially cut him June 1, and he will be playing for the Bengals for about our cap hit. Folwer and Armstrong are making about a mil more than Gregory's cap hit for the Broncos.
So we are not creating any cap space that restructures would not have already created, and losing 3 front line starters for nothing (well, we did get a 5th rounder for Cooper, lol) is just poor asset management.
If you wanted to move them off the team, drive up the value and get good assets in return.
I don't think anyone would be complaining if we did that, had an extra 2nd and an extra 3rd or so so we could replace the lost assets, but what we did (talk trash about them and drive down their value) was just really stupid. We just hurt ourselves.
 
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jazzcat22 said:
I don't approve or disapprove of it either way. I am just waiting for the draft and any spending on FA's. Then will form more of an opinion.
I just don't whine about everything until we see the overall results.
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You’re right. We aren’t allowed to whine about the last 26 years of results and the same style of decision making that has caused it.

we have to wait until the off-season is over before we whine.

then once the season starts. We can’t complain until the season is over. Then once the season ends in the inevitable failure once again, we get two weeks to complain. Then we can’t complain again until the off-season is over.
 

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Yeah I don't get it either. They kicked the can down the road on some contracts that make it tougher to manuever in future years. Teams do that because they see a window to win now and bring in players that they think will help them win now.

We kicked the can down the road on guys and then did nothing with the savings other than sign some lower fringe guys. It's downright peculiar but I bet blueblood or one of the other homers will have some bizarre defense of it.

The most puzzling thing here is OG. They literally did nothing. They knew they had to upgrade which is why they made little effort to re-sign Williams. But then they watched as competent, veteran OGs that would not have been expensive and would have helped this OL fly off the board.

Hey, we at least have the draft. All we need from the draft are immediate impact players at OG, DE, LB, WR. Easy peasy.
 
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DakPresgoat said:
You’re right. We aren’t allowed to whine about the last 26 years of results and the same style of decision making that has caused it.

we have to wait until the off-season is over before we whine.

then once the season starts. We can’t complain until the season is over. Then once the season ends in the inevitable failure once again, we get two weeks to complain. Then we can’t complain again until the off-season is over.
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Whine all you want. I choose not to live in the past.
I just stir it up as I find it hilarious at times.

But that is all what is mentioned on here...wahhh, past 26 years, wah....
Try looking at what is going on now, and possibly the team will improve. But that is just me.

It just the constant whining brings this place down, and is laughed at.
 
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CalPolyTechnique said:
So, the obvious question has to be asked…what are these dunces hoarding salary cap for?
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According to Over the Cap, our actual cap space right now is $15 million, which is plenty to sign anyone we want. However, some of that will have to go toward signing our draft picks. If they've met the minimum cap requirements, I would expect them to carry the rest forward so that they can use it to help with next year's cap/signings.
 
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